Steve Jobs Biography describes Jobs as hell bent on destroying Android

[Sloper]

I read this on another tech site:

Regarding the source of the “good artists” quote, it’s often attributed to Pablo Picasso, but it turns out it’s a bastardized version of a quote from a T.S. Elliott essay:

One of the surest tests [of the superiority or inferiority of a poet] is the way in which a poet borrows. Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different than that from which it is torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion. A good poet will usually borrow from authors remote in time, or alien in language, or diverse in interest.

 

[William Gaatjes]

I read this on another tech site:

Regarding the source of the “good artists” quote, it’s often attributed to Pablo Picasso, but it turns out it’s a bastardized version of a quote from a T.S. Elliott essay:

One of the surest tests [of the superiority or inferiority of a poet] is the way in which a poet borrows. Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different than that from which it is torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion. A good poet will usually borrow from authors remote in time, or alien in language, or diverse in interest.

:thumbsup:

 

[Munky]

Its probably not that simple, but the "stolen" idea in question is not about a smartphone, its about HOW a smartphone should function and what a smartphone SHOULD be. I'm not sure why Eric was on the Apple board, but if Google followed their original Android roadmap, their flagship phones would still have physical qwerty keyboards. This is why the G1 had a slide out keyboard and now every Nexus phone after it no longer has this.

Android's UI was built upon physical keys, which is why on screen menus haven't been introduced until ICS.

You're forgetting that Google previously introduced all-touchscreen buttons with Honeycomb. Moreover, not everyone is crazy about the touchscreen. Every time I type anything on my phone, I miss the physical qwerty keyboard from my older phone.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I read this on another tech site:

Regarding the source of the “good artists” quote, it’s often attributed to Pablo Picasso, but it turns out it’s a bastardized version of a quote from a T.S. Elliott essay:

One of the surest tests [of the superiority or inferiority of a poet] is the way in which a poet borrows. Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different than that from which it is torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion. A good poet will usually borrow from authors remote in time, or alien in language, or diverse in interest.

Who cares where it ultimately came from. What Steve Jobs said makes him a hypocrit. No spinning are arguing about the ultimate source of his quote makes a lick of difference.

 

[Zaap]

Who cares where it ultimately came from. What Steve Jobs said makes him a hypocrit. No spinning are arguing about the ultimate source of his quote makes a lick of difference.

I'm guessing iFans will say that Apple's theft is okay, because they were 'good poets' weaving their theft into beautiful tapestries.

Meanwhile everyone else's theft are bad poets defacing what they take.

Or something like that.


All this nonsense about who stole what from whom is useless. None of these companies, -certainly not Apple- has any real claim to virgin cloth with any of these ideas. As it was pointed out, many key features of a modern smartphone were present in Palm and Windows CE devices over a decade ago- they just weren't as polished as what we have today, and limited by then-current technology.

And where's the graphic of the iOS/ripped-from Android pull down notifications again?

I guess that's an example from good poets.

 

[senseamp]

It's sad that Steve Jobs spent so much of his mental energy late in life focused not on creating new things but on destroying Android. I've said before that Apple feels entitled to own the touchscreen smartphone market. This simply confirms it.

 

[Fire&Blood]

It's sad that Steve Jobs spent so much of his mental energy late in life focused not on creating new things but on destroying Android. I've said before that Apple feels entitled to own the touchscreen smartphone market. This simply confirms it.

Yes. That sense of entitlement would be justified if the original iphone was the first to feature a on screen keyboard and accelerometer based landscape/portrait mode switch but it's not. Lucky for them, inventors weren't patent trolls.

The whole mentality of " let's steal/copy/borrow form older stuff and sue everything new" is getting old...

 

[MrX8503]

What the original iphone brought wasnt new, but the smartphone industry was far from exciting at the time. It wasnt until after the iphone that we moved away from clunky smartphones.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I read everything I can lay my hands on about Apple,and I suspected Jobs was on a "Holy War" to kill Android.

Steve held grudges pretty strongly, and felt that if he allowed someone into his inner circle, that they needed to behave according to his honor system. Gates/Microsoft, Page. Brin, Schmidt/Google, and several others seriously pissed him off by "betraying" him.

He really didn't give much of a damn about money, he loved the people that loved Apple, that they loved his "vision"... The money was a lucky side effect of Apple products popularity.

That rather public meeting between Schmidt and Jobs was IIRC, shortly after multitouch was implemented in Android, for Steve, I think that was the last straw,he felt he owned multitouch.

Tim Cook is an interesting guy as well, he's the most powerful gay man in Silicon Valley, but has never come out publicly. He's noted for his uncanny ability to predict what the industry/people, etc will do.

I think the most remarkable thing is that while Apple makes consumer products, they don't do consumer focused testing of it's products, and manage to make very popular devices.

 

[Geekbabe]

I just can't wait to read the book, Mr Jobs struck me as a person with almost Asperger's like traits & I suspect this will be quite an enjoyable read. Funny, he wanted to destroy android, I wonder how many android devices his book will be read on.

 

[shabby]

I just can't wait to read the book, Mr Jobs struck me as a person with almost Asperger's like traits

I can see that...

 

[alent1234]

I read everything I can lay my hands on about Apple,and I suspected Jobs was on a "Holy War" to kill Android.

Steve held grudges pretty strongly, and felt that if he allowed someone into his inner circle, that they needed to behave according to his honor system. Gates/Microsoft, Page. Brin, Schmidt/Google, and several others seriously pissed him off by "betraying" him.

He really didn't give much of a damn about money, he loved the people that loved Apple, that they loved his "vision"... The money was a lucky side effect of Apple products popularity.

That rather public meeting between Schmidt and Jobs was IIRC, shortly after multitouch was implemented in Android, for Steve, I think that was the last straw,he felt he owned multitouch.

Tim Cook is an interesting guy as well, he's the most powerful gay man in Silicon Valley, but has never come out publicly. He's noted for his uncanny ability to predict what the industry/people, etc will do.

I think the most remarkable thing is that while Apple makes consumer products, they don't do consumer focused testing of it's products, and manage to make very popular devices.

and after he vowed this he still had a meeting with larry page to give him some advice in running google

 

[J-Money]

If you read the thread you linked to, you'll see it was locked with the specific note to start a new cleaner thread.

Back on topic:

I'm still shocked that anybody considers this news. Do people expect competitors to get along and hold hands while prancing through wild flowers? No... they want to end each other and take all the business for themselves. It's the way things work. Ford will always hate Chevy, Pepsi will always hate Coke, and Apple will always hate Google (Android specifically).

There are many interesting things Jobs did and/or said. This IMO isn't one of them. I just don't get it...

This is very correct.

It's the same as when people cry about Apple suing Samsung. Business is a competition, you do what you can (legally) do to try to beat the competition.

Too many really don't understand business and think it's all clean. Steve Jobs said exactly what every CEO thinks. But because he is CEO of Apple it's somehow bad.

 

[senseamp]

What the original iphone brought wasnt new, but the smartphone industry was far from exciting at the time. It wasnt until after the iphone that we moved away from clunky smartphones.

And they've profited handsomely from that. But it doesn't entitle them to shutting down their competition and having a monopoly.

 

[badb0y]

And they've profited handsomely from that. But it doesn't entitle them to shutting down their competition and having a monopoly.

I agree with this sentiment, it's like somewhere along the lines they fell off of the track. To some extent the original Android OS was inspired by iOS but now the 2 are very different. Its time for Apple to stop suing companies and get back to making great products.

As for the Steve Jobs, he's definitely like one of those blunt CEOs like Jen-Hsun Huang(nVidia) and Bill Gates (Microsoft) who can be douchebags at times but are really good at leading their respective companies.

 

[akugami]

Who cares where it ultimately came from. What Steve Jobs said makes him a hypocrit. No spinning are arguing about the ultimate source of his quote makes a lick of difference.

There's a difference between stealing ideas, and stealing patents and copyrights. Apple is suing others for infringing on their patents and copyrights. You can argue that the patents and copyrights Apple owns is weak and should be invalid due to prior art, but that's a completely different argument. What it doesn't do is make Jobs a hypocrite when he directed Apple to sue the likes of HTC and Samsung for patent and copyright infringement. FYI, both HTC and Samsung (at least for now) have been found to have infringed on Apple's intellectual property.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I wonder if the machinery Jobs put in motion will keep up the crusade?

 

[WelshBloke]

I wonder if the machinery Jobs put in motion will keep up the crusade?

I'd hope not just for the sake of Apples shareholders. Blowing $40 billion on an egotistical pissing match would really annoy me if they were doing it with my money.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I'd hope not just for the sake of Apples shareholders. Blowing $40 billion on an egotistical pissing match would really annoy me if they were doing it with my money.

Yep, I'm really hoping Apple stops, right or wrong, it's business, and at worst, if found guilty, the competition will just find a work around for the patents in question.

 

[WelshBloke]

Yep, I'm really hoping Apple stops, right or wrong, it's business, and at worst, if found guilty, the competition will just find a work around for the patents in question.

Massive shareholder dividend would be nice if they aren't going to use the cash for anything constructive.

 

[Brian Stirling]

If Apple/Jobs had been around when the auto industry was new and they'd released a few models of there own how likely is it that they'd cry foul that the competition was using "round wheels"? Surely Apple would have expected ownership of round wheels!


Brian

 

[foghorn67]

There's a difference between stealing ideas, and stealing patents and copyrights. Apple is suing others for infringing on their patents and copyrights. You can argue that the patents and copyrights Apple owns is weak and should be invalid due to prior art, but that's a completely different argument. What it doesn't do is make Jobs a hypocrite when he directed Apple to sue the likes of HTC and Samsung for patent and copyright infringement. FYI, both HTC and Samsung (at least for now) have been found to have infringed on Apple's intellectual property.

By a joke of a patent system.
Anyway, few other industries play like this. Automotive technologies rarely go this route. But when they do, they don't go this far.
Suck it up, Apple will lose this fight too. Jobs didn't want to make Samsung change, he wanted to kill Android. Won't happen.

 

[finbarqs]

why don't they be hell bent on destroying microsoft? didn't they stole the GUI mouse idea? I mean Jobs, technically didn't "steal" the idea, they were basically invited to xerox to do whatever they want with it.

 

[Brian Stirling]

why don't they be hell bent on destroying microsoft? didn't they stole the GUI mouse idea? I mean Jobs, technically didn't "steal" the idea, they were basically invited to xerox to do whatever they want with it.

Actually the first mouse that I'm aware of was in the early 60's at IBM. Like Zerox there management did nothing with it!


Brian

 

[Steelski]

why don't they be hell bent on destroying microsoft? didn't they stole the GUI mouse idea? I mean Jobs, technically didn't "steal" the idea, they were basically invited to xerox to do whatever they want with it.

Probably because Steve Jobs was shown the XEROX gui before """""inventing""""" his.
I really did not like Mr Jobs... he was a theaf, a liar, a crook and a bunch of other things.....he was more so these than the mucho inventor people take him for... I'm sure the Iphone has at least two physical buttons which means it should not apply to the patents Apple associates to the device.
Which came first, the smart-phone or the Iphone?
which came first the touchscreen or the Iphone?
Were there apps before apple....(yes)
I am sure its not the first all touchscreen phone ..(1992)... http://cdecas.free.fr/computers/pocket/simon.php