Steve jobs died

[Josh]

Incredible. I point out that the Apple II wasn't the first home computer and that MP3 players existed before the iPod and someone calls me a troll.

No, I pointed out what he did to change the world and you respond by saying he "started a cult". I point out that he has 300+ patents and/or innovations under his belt and you say he didn't do anything...you just want to argue now so you don't seem completely foolish.

You know, a caveman invented the wheel. Therefore, Henry Ford or whoever just improved on that by adding 3 more and a chair - they didn't really do anything innovative.

 

[ProfJohn]

You are either a troll or an idiot.

Go read what people who are in the industry are saying about Jobs and wonder why they are giving him so much praise and then come back and continue with your little 'Jobs wasn't that important' rant.

The guy changed the way we use PCs.
He changed the way we use MP3 players.
He changed the way we use cell phones.
He changed the idea of the tablet computer.


The fact that he didn't invent one of those products is irrelevant.
What he did was take something created by someone else and made it much better and in many cases created a demand that wasn't there before.

 

[Veliko]

No, I pointed out what he did to change the world and you respond by saying he "started a cult". I point out that he has 300+ patents and/or innovations under his belt and you say he didn't do anything...you just want to argue now so you don't seem completely foolish.

No you haven't pointed out that he changed the world - no-one has. People have said he invented the first home computer and I pointed out that they were wrong. People have spoken about the iPod as if it was the first portable music player.

300 patents in his name means nothing, he isn't even a particularly technical person so he didn't come up with them himself.

 

[coloumb]

RIP.

Another good interview from the Woz on Steve:

http://cnettv.cnet.com/steve-woznia..._53-50112727.html?tag=mainStory;mainStoryText

Interesting how he compares Sony to 10 other companies with similar products - yet there's just something about a Sony product that you just can't express. That's about what I'd have to say about Apple products.

I owned an ipad for about a month - At first I thought "why would I want this" - but once you use it you find it difficult to put it away and you wish your PC had the same features [I had to sell it due to financial reasons].

 

[Veliko]

Would you please DEFINE "world changing" then since you seem to know EXACTLY what it means. What classifies as "world changing" under Veliko standards?

Something that can change either an individual's life or society to an extent.

The car allowed people to travel distances that simply weren't practical before.
Refrigeration allowed people to stock food longer term, meaning less labour was required to feed yourself.
Electricity and the Internet are two other examples

MP3 playlists are not life changing or world changing.

And FYI, the LG Prada was nowhere near the level or capability of iPhone so that's just an idiotic statement to even make.

It was released a year before the iPhone was, what do you expect? Apple were happy to copy the design and Apple fans have been happy to point out that Samsung and HTC have copied Apple's design since then.

The first iPhone was limited in capability compared to some Nokia phones at the time as well.

 

[Veliko]

All he means is that Gandhi changed the world, Steve Jobs did not. A little perspective, eh?

In essence, yes. All this talk of Steve Jobs having a 'vision' is cringeworthy stuff. He had the same vision that most other businessmen - make an arseload of money and have his face all over the place.

 

[Miramonti]

Sucks for those close to him.

 

[zinfamous]

And sooner or latter someone besides Ford would have figured out the assembly line.

And someone would have perfected the light bulb if Edison hadn't.

And someone would have flown faster than sound if Yeager hadn't.

And someone would have stepped on the moon if Armstrong hadn't.

etc etc etc etc etc

To discount Jobs and his effect is just stupid.

Edison and the light bulb is the perfect comparison with Jobs and the PC. Every piece of the light bulb had been invented and was in use when Edison came along and perfected by putting the pieces together better than anyone before him had. Exactly the same thing that Jobs did.

this is an important comment.

I always cringe a little when people make comments like "Without Elmo we wouldn't have _x__" Well, that's bullshit.

Whenever a new technology, or device, or gadget emerges, there are, in effect, dozens if not hundreds of people working on the exact same problem at the same time. No one person is, technically , responsible for a device, a discovery, or a revolution, when they work amongst a community of people that are working on the same thing.

In fact, with every major invention or discovery--radio, telephone, light bulb, phonograph, PC, the Big Bang, String Theory, Natural Selection, etc, ad nauseum....we already have the major competitors and players in these fields well-documented. This tends to ignore the stable of people behind much of that work, in various industries, that go unnoticed.

That is how "innovation" happens. It does not descend from the clouds and stars on some ethereal chariot, bequeathed to the one individual deemed worthy of such Valhallan conceits.

Jobs was merely one of those that became the face of such products--because he was brilliant, and with a lot of luck and motivation, he managed to get his face and mind attached to his field of innovation. What was especially unique about him, as has been mentioned several times here, is that he could convince you that a problem or a need existed, where no one would have ever conceived it existed. Just look at the iPad--not one of us thought that it made any sense at the time. He very much created that industry, despite the fact that Windows and Gates tried to do so nearly a decade prior to Apple. This simply shows that whatever his enormous faults, Jobs very much knew what the consumer wanted before they even knew they wanted--how to make devices work properly, and quite effectively for such unknown needs.

He was special in the sense that nearly all of his gambles paid off--and paid off extremely well. His track record amongst major corporate CEOs must be completely unmatched. I can only think of 2 real failures--Lisa and Next. Though at the same time, both were easily replaced by far more successful products.

 

[videogames101]

No one is comparing Gandhi and Steve Jobs and that's definetly not what Veliko was thinking about either.

When you talk of men who "changed the world", I think Gandhi, not Steve Jobs. How about you?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Something that can change either an individual's life or society to an extent.

The car allowed people to travel distances that simply weren't practical before.
Refrigeration allowed people to stock food longer term, meaning less labour was required to feed yourself.
Electricity and the Internet are two other examples

MP3 playlists are not life changing or world changing.



It was released a year before the iPhone was, what do you expect? Apple were happy to copy the design and Apple fans have been happy to point out that Samsung and HTC have copied Apple's design since then.

The first iPhone was limited in capability compared to some Nokia phones at the time as well.

I've never seen somebody so wrong for so long. You seriously take the cake.

The music industry worldwide has been changed due to the iPod and iTunes.

I remember being in college and having MS-Dos on my computer and drooling over my roommates MAC. Thankfully, Windows copied Apple and you're a happy ignorant person.

Did the regular person have a need for a smart phone before the iPhone? I can go days now without needing to touch a computer. I have apps to do my banking better than doing it thru a website, I have a gps for driving directions, I have my music and I can buy/download more music and apps when needed from my smartphone.

So yes, my world and many other's have been changed by Apple and Steve Jobs. I'm sure you were happy with your Black Berry and Nokia phone before the smart phone was brought to the masses.

 

[Veliko]

When you talk of men who "changed the world", I think Gandhi, not Steve Jobs. How about you?

I think of my uncle John who put up some shelves for me when I was 10 so I could keep my books and Gameboy on it.

 

[zerogear]

When you talk of men who "changed the world", I think Gandhi, not Steve Jobs. How about you?

I also think of Gates (post-MS)

 

[AMDZen]

I think of Steve Jobs since he actually changed my small little world. Gandhi didn't change my world, maybe he changed many other peoples worlds but not mine.

 

[Josh]

Something that can change either an individual's life or society to an extent.

The car allowed people to travel distances that simply weren't practical before.
Refrigeration allowed people to stock food longer term, meaning less labour was required to feed yourself.
Electricity and the Internet are two other examples

MP3 playlists are not life changing or world changing.



It was released a year before the iPhone was, what do you expect? Apple were happy to copy the design and Apple fans have been happy to point out that Samsung and HTC have copied Apple's design since then.

The first iPhone was limited in capability compared to some Nokia phones at the time as well.

How did he not change society? The majority of people are using smartphones, browsing the "real" internet on their phones, using "apps" on their phone to get through everyday life etc because of him. Not only that, the iPad has helped in a lot of cases of autism with children, or older people who want to continue to read/write ("something that can change an individual's life").

If you are talking about what you feel is "good" for society, that's a completely different debate. He may not have changed society in a way that saves lives, but he certainly had a profound impact on society as we know it today.

 

[Veliko]

I've never seen somebody so wrong for so long. You seriously take the cake.

The music industry worldwide has been changed due to the iPod and iTunes.

No, the music industry changed due to Napster.

Did the regular person have a need for a smart phone before the iPhone? I can go days now without needing to touch a computer. I have apps to do my banking better than doing it thru a website, I have a gps for driving directions, I have my music and I can buy/download more music and apps when needed from my smartphone.

That's great but as has been pointed out the iPhone wasn't the first device to attempt to do this. In fact how many of those things were you able to do on the very first iPhone?

This is an example of evolution rather than revolution.

So yes, my world and many other's have been changed by Apple and Steve Jobs. I'm sure you were happy with your Black Berry and Nokia phone before the smart phone was brought to the masses.

Unless you are an African child living in a remote village in war-torn Somalia then no, your life has not been changed to any significant degree because of Steve Jobs. You are doing the same things you were doing before - checking email, bank statements, YouTube, Facebook, etc. - but on a smaller device.

 

[CKent]

Bit of a cult surrounding this guy. He was a genius at business. I mean that in the true sense of the word "genius", I'm not just throwing around as so many do. His ability to separate disposable income from those disposing it was the best I've ever seen.

But he was not any of the other things people attribute to him. It's just that a part of his business genius was to build an image that people would worship (eg. cult), and its followers will tell you with a straight face that he invented water and put the sun itself in the sky.

At any rate I'd never take pleasure in anyone's death, especially before their time and more especially from something like pancreatic cancer. So RIP. But I wouldn't posthumously give him head, even if there wasn't already a lake of saliva there from the rest of you...

 

[AMDZen]

Unless you are an African child living in a remote village in war-torn Somalia then no, your life has not been changed to any significant degree because of Steve Jobs. You are doing the same things you were doing before - checking email, bank statements, YouTube, Facebook, etc. - but on a smaller device.

How exactly was the life of a starving African child living in a remote village in Somalia changed by Steve Jobs? Are you just being as stupid as you possibly can?

 

[Gibson486]

LOL....why do people poop on his death? He was a great leader.

The industry before Jobs came along was to release stuff just to release it. You had 1 dozen of the same product from different companies.It was all about being the first one to release it. They were all the same in the end. Look at the tablet. Yeah, there were lots before the iPad. But all they really did was modify the existing Windows OS so you could have touch screen. Same with PDAs. As a result, the products did not really appeal to anyone but corporate people. Why would people want a touchscreen laptop? So, you can touch the screen, so what? As cool as it sounds, it's still the same Windows OS. Consumers had no need for it. It was all flash no substance. The novelty wore off.

Jobs changed that. Every feature served a purpose. Every line they had had a use for a consumer. It was not this general product that appealed to everyone. You customize what goes in the product, not how it works.

 

[Capt Caveman]

How exactly was the life of a starving African child living in a remote village in Somalia changed by Steve Jobs? Are you just being as stupid as you possibly can?

Actually, it will be, he's just an ignorant troll.

India says $35 tablet will empower poor

 

[Veliko]

How did he not change society? The majority of people are using smartphones, browsing the "real" internet on their phones, etc because of him. Not only that, the iPad has helped in a lot in cases of autism with children, or older people who want to continue to read/write ("something that can change an individual's life").

If you are talking about what you feel is "good" for society, that's a completely different debate. He may not have changed society in a way that saves lives, but he certainly had a profound impact on society as we know it today.

No he hasn't. People browsing the web on a different device is not changing society.

 

[Capt Caveman]

No he hasn't. People browsing the web on a different device is not changing society.

Changing how people work, play, entertain, etc. is changing society.

 

[AMDZen]

No he hasn't. People browsing the web on a different device is not changing society.

 

[Josh]

No, the music industry changed due to Napster.

*groan*

There's always "something before something" that leads to some sort of innovation typically.

The music industry changed due to the homies in Chinatown who were burning CDs and sellin em for $5 a pop...no wait the music industry changed then due to the guy who invented the CD burner...no wait the music industry changed then due to the guy who invented the CD-ROM disc...you get the point?

Sure, Napster changed the music industry. Then Apple changed it again...and it hasn't been changed since. In fact, no one has even been able to come close to what Apple is doing on iTunes. So much so that one of the most anticipated releases of the year was released FIRST and EARLY on iTunes ("Watch The Throne"). They are making music potentially go completely digital and they run the digital music platform.

 

[Josh]

No he hasn't. People browsing the web on a different device is not changing society.

Thank you for ignoring everything else in my post. I'm done with you troll.

 

[AMDZen]

*groan*

You just want to keep acting like someone beat Apple to it? There's always "something before something" that leads to some sort of innovation typically.

The music industry changed due to the homies in Chinatown who were burning CDs and sellin em for $5 a pop...no wait the music industry changed then due to the guy who invented the CD burner...no wait the music industry changed then due to the guy who invented the CD-ROM disc...you get the point?

Sure, Napster changed the music industry. Then Apple changed it again...and it hasn't been changed since. In fact, no one has even been able to come close to what Apple is doing on iTunes. So much so that one of the most anticipated releases of the year was released FIRST and EARLY on iTunes ("Watch The Throne"). They are making music potentially go completely digital. They run the digital music platform.

Your facts and logic are irrelevant sir. Apple is bad cuz people will buy anything with an Apple on it.