Steve Jobs - Leading Candidate to Exterminate the PC

Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
22,021
3
76
First, your title: "Steve Jobs - Leading Candidate to Exterminate the PC" is grossly off the mark... so is the first line "Most feared man for Pc"

The article is discussing a book about personal freedoms and specifies that apple is one of the worst offenders in the world when it comes to DRM and the suppression of personal freedoms.

Never does it mention it being a threat to the PC market (despite their fruitiness, macs ARE Personal Computers... And FYI, windows =! PC... I am sick and tired of people saying "linux, PC, and mac"... its "linux, windows, and macOS" and all three are operating systems for PCs.. and not the ONLY operating systems, you also have solaris and freeBSD and more.

Anyways, there is never an assertion that apple products will somehow overtake windows products, but that apple is the most harmful to consumers at the moment. Which is true, apple has worse "business practices" then MS did in their darkest.

Agreed, But I believe that PC stems from computers based on x86 architecture and as Macs originally weren't

"a term used to describe a class of personal computers based on Intel's 486 microprocessor. While the 486 can support a Web browser and many older applications, it is usually limited in its ability to run current software. 486 PCs and below generally represent an earlier generation of computing." - Harvard.
 

taltamir

Lifer
Mar 21, 2004
13,576
6
76
Agreed, But I believe that PC stems from computers based on x86 architecture and as Macs originally weren't
That is quite wrong. The term PC was coined before x86 even existed, and all the original macs were referred to as "A Macintosh personal computer"

"a term used to describe a class of personal computers based on Intel's 486 microprocessor. While the 486 can support a Web browser and many older applications, it is usually limited in its ability to run current software. 486 PCs and below generally represent an earlier generation of computing." - Harvard.
Harvard the college? Colleges don't speak, people do... who exactly was it in harvard college that spread that bit of misinformation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_personal_computers

Etymology

An early use of the term "personal computer" appeared in a November 3, 1962, New York Times article reporting John W. Mauchly's vision of future computing as detailed at a recent meeting of the American Institute of Industrial Engineers. Mauchly stated, "There is no reason to suppose the average boy or girl cannot be master of a personal computer".[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_computer

A personal computer (PC) is any general-purpose computer whose size, capabilities, and original sales price make it useful for individuals, and which is intended to be operated directly by an end-user with no intervening computer operator. This is in contrast to the batch processing or time-sharing models which allowed large expensive mainframe systems to be used by many people, usually at the same time, or large data processing systems which required a full-time staff to operate efficiently. It is also in contrast with the more recent trend of controlling software availability through an intervening third party such as the Apple App Store.[1][2]
A personal computer may be a desktop computer, a laptop, a tablet PC, or a handheld PC (also called a palmtop). The most common microprocessors in personal computers are x86-compatible CPUs. Software applications for personal computers include word processing, spreadsheets, databases, Web browsers and e-mail clients, games, and myriad personal productivity and special-purpose software applications. Modern personal computers often have connections to the Internet, allowing access to the World Wide Web and a wide range of other resources.

The first true Personal Computer was the Sphere 1 computer, created in Bountiful, Utah in 1975 by computer pioneer Michael D. Wise (1949–2002). At first, Sphere 1 was sold as a kit, but was later sold as fully assembled PC. The Sphere 1 qualified as The First Personal Computer because it included a keyboard, a number pad, and a monitor. In 1976 Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak sold the Apple I computer circuit board, which was fully prepared and contained about 30 chips. The first successfully mass marketed personal computer was the Commodore PET introduced in January 1977, which bore a striking resemblance to Sphere 1 of two years earlier. It was soon followed by the TRS-80 from Radio Shack and the popular Apple II. Mass-market pre-assembled computers allowed a wider range of people to use computers, focusing more on software applications and less on development of the processor hardware.
 
Last edited:

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
22,021
3
76

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
22,021
3
76
That is quite wrong. The term PC was coined before x86 even existed, and all the original macs were referred to as "A Macintosh personal computer"


Harvard the college? Colleges don't speak, people do... who exactly was it in harvard college that spread that bit of misinformation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_personal_computers



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_computer

Also I've definately heard before that the modern term PC tends to stem from the IBM PC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_Computer

And as it ran Micrsoft Basic, that's where the whole Microsoft OS's=PC's thing started.
 

taltamir

Lifer
Mar 21, 2004
13,576
6
76
An early use of the term "personal computer" appeared in a November 3, 1962, New York Times article reporting John W. Mauchly's vision of future computing as detailed at a recent meeting of the American Institute of Industrial Engineers. Mauchly stated, "There is no reason to suppose the average boy or girl cannot be master of a personal computer".

That is 20 years before the IBM-PC existed.

also, http://www.kelleyad.com/histry.htm

5 years before the IBM-PC existed... in 1977 apple introduced the apple 2 which was marketed as a PC.
Observe the second picture from the bottom where it says: "Introducing the Apple II" and "You have just run out of excuses for not owning a Personal Computer"
Years before the IBM and intel takeover of the PC market in the 1980s

The IBM PC (which used intel 8088 processor) was released on August 12, 1981

The first PC I used was a Macintosh Personal Computer... with a monochrome monitor, command line interface, and one game... pong.
That is, of course, before apple computers decided they don't want to be called PCs anymore, and when their OS didn't suck (compared to the competition)
 
Last edited:

aigomorla

CPU, Cases&Cooling Mod PC Gaming Mod Elite Member
Super Moderator
Sep 28, 2005
20,893
3,245
126
exterminate the PC eh?

last time i checked the new power mac's were intel gulftowns.
And i also believe future power mac will be again intel, only Sandy Bridges..

Cuz it runs a NON WINDOWS OS does that NOT make it a PC?

Sorry, but i have nothing to say... because MAC's for the longest time had a war with intel in which they horribly lost.
(the term sleeping with your enemy ring a bell? and to make it worse, they show the intel mac's are faster... sigh..)

Now there going at it again.. only this time against both Intel and AMD?
This is why i dont use apple.
Apple users are blind to all the options available to the world, and only see whats on itunes.

ummm.... i think steve jobs will be 6 foot under sleeping his eternal slumber b4 he can pull this off thats even if he can pull it off.
 
Last edited:

taltamir

Lifer
Mar 21, 2004
13,576
6
76
@aigomorla: the op just mangled the article he linked... the article was saying that apple is a company to fear because it doesn't respect your rights (privacy, DRM, etc)... and the OP just made up the "destroy the PC" part.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
22,021
3
76
That is 20 years before the IBM-PC existed.

also, http://www.kelleyad.com/histry.htm

5 years before the IBM-PC existed... in 1977 apple introduced the apple 2 which was marketed as a PC.
Observe the second picture from the bottom where it says: "Introducing the Apple II" and "You have just run out of excuses for not owning a Personal Computer"
Years before the IBM and intel takeover of the PC market in the 1980s

The IBM PC (which used intel 8088 processor) was released on August 12, 1981

The first PC I used was a Macintosh Personal Computer... with a monochrome monitor, command line interface, and one game... pong.
That is, of course, before apple computers decided they don't want to be called PCs anymore, and when their OS didn't suck (compared to the competition)

None the less as far as I'm concerned Mac's and PC's = Personal Computers but the abbreviation PC will always refer to Windows.

"Hi Im a Mac... And I'm a PC"

Just the way the world works and it's not going to change any time soon.
 

jihe

Senior member
Nov 6, 2009
747
97
91
how could it be apple.

everything apple does some other company be it google or microsoft does in a more open and accessible way.

if you want a PC OS , or home media thing, or tablet you can get a android or windoes one, or windows 7 / linux on the desktop.

i dont see anything that makes apple special . they if anything make a high barrier to entry to their products so they could never eliminate the traditional pc on cost alone. i'd say the thing that will eventaully kill the pc, is linux in all its forms (be it meego, android, ubuntu, what have you)

apple has mad fanbois
 

aigomorla

CPU, Cases&Cooling Mod PC Gaming Mod Elite Member
Super Moderator
Sep 28, 2005
20,893
3,245
126
@aigomorla: the op just mangled the article he linked... the article was saying that apple is a company to fear because it doesn't respect your rights (privacy, DRM, etc)... and the OP just made up the "destroy the PC" part.

Oh i know.. and im saying... only blind fools who use apple would agree with this.

I don't live in america, I live in England and it's massive here. Although I love that quote "america dosen't equal the world"

Massive?

What you dont get is u can make ANY PC or ANY MAC into the other.
It just takes a good set of drivers, and a good understanding of the kernal OS in Tiger OS.

Ive had friends who made there thinkpads into MACbooks, and they were so much better then the original mac books in terms of durability and speed.

I can bet u, in any country there is still a greater percentage of AMD's and INTEL PC's on WINDOWS then there is MAC's.

Apple takes over the world? BAH... maybe if they made a holographic tricorder in the shape of an iphone, which can display resolution in 3d while using quantium computing.

But were talking major major SCI FI here.
 
Apr 20, 2008
10,064
984
126
Apple isnt replacing the PC with such limited devices. I have an Iphone and a Blackjack 2. Even though my Iphone has nice graphics and more apps, the interface is absolutely HORRIBLE. No physical keyboard, not an open platform, etc. Getting work done on it is impossible. I was laying in bed last night trying to send out some texts, and it took FOREVER to get texts right, while I have only spent a minute or so on this message, punctuation and all.

I gave my Fiance' the Iphone and i'm keeping my BJ2. Even a Windows/Andriod device or phone has immediate advantage in usability of an Apple restricted device.
 

aigomorla

CPU, Cases&Cooling Mod PC Gaming Mod Elite Member
Super Moderator
Sep 28, 2005
20,893
3,245
126
Basic tasks like what? What version of Windows?

My computer refused to allow me to take a picture of her:



It didnt even want a picture to be taken for a mac thread.

Im sorry i hate mac's with a passion.
Unless your GUI and JAVA based entirely in programing, and all u do is CGI, i see no point in a MAC.

After 2 yrs of using one as a secondary, i swore never to touch a MAC again, and havent since.

1. There rediculously slow compared to the other price alternative.
2. There is no overclocking, no customization.
3. You buy a MAC, your stuck with MAC parts.
4. Even Intel Enterprise parts has issues with mac's becuase of a funky coded BIOS.

I HATE MACS.
 
Last edited:

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
22,021
3
76
Oh i know.. and im saying... only blind fools who use apple would agree with this.



Massive?

What you dont get is u can make ANY PC or ANY MAC into the other.
It just takes a good set of drivers, and a good understanding of the kernal OS in Tiger OS.

Ive had friends who made there thinkpads into MACbooks, and they were so much better then the original mac books in terms of durability and speed.

I can bet u, in any country there is still a greater percentage of AMD's and INTEL PC's on WINDOWS then there is MAC's.

Apple takes over the world? BAH... maybe if they made a holographic tricorder in the shape of an iphone, which can display resolution in 3d while using quantium computing.

But were talking major major SCI FI here.

Of course there are more PC's it's like 87% Windows in terms of world usage, but there are a couple of problems with your statement, firstly it's Mac, not MAC, it's not an acronym of anything, it's the abreviation of Macintosh, secondly. Tiger, I.e. 10.4 was a few years ago, were into 10.6 Snow Leopard now, and thirdly Hackintosh's are never ultimately as good as owning a Mac, they have far more problems than just buying an Apple Mac.

But yeah, PC's arn't going anywhere anytime soon and Mac's arn't going to kill them out, it's more like a slow transition that a lot of people are making to Mac's at the moment, that however wont make such a huge dent in windows, it's more like going from 87% windows to 85%...

And yes, the Mac support over here in the UK is MASSIVE, the number of people that use Mac's compared to only a few years ago amongst people my age is such a huge difference, classing it massive is no understatement, it's certainly not less than the usage in america.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
22,021
3
76
Basic tasks like what? What version of Windows?

Like I was trying to install an old peice of hardware I had lying around, but in Windows 7, you can't use unsigned drivers, so I had so sit there and boot into test mode, force the driver to work and then remove the test mode watermark, pain in the arse, and a very simple task in theory.

OS: Windows 7 Pro x64
 

aigomorla

CPU, Cases&Cooling Mod PC Gaming Mod Elite Member
Super Moderator
Sep 28, 2005
20,893
3,245
126
And yes, the Mac support over here in the UK is MASSIVE, the number of people that use Mac's compared to only a few years ago amongst people my age is such a huge difference, classing it massive is no understatement, it's certainly not less than the usage in america.

Massive in my definition means near half, or a significant share.

Im sorry, there not even a thorn yet to the windows market.

How can u say massive?

Its only massive because apple decided to be shady with the reports and include iphone + iPad sales.

Like I was trying to install an old peice of hardware I had lying around, but in Windows 7, you can't use unsigned drivers, so I had so sit there and boot into test mode, force the driver to work and then remove the test mode watermark, pain in the arse, and a very simple task in theory.

OS: Windows 7 Pro x64

Your going to cross windows platform?

How many older mac OS software / hardware wont work?
Oh wait.. APPLE changed platforms even so ALL The old apple hardware even wont work period.

Dude u cant defend apple.
They lost the chance to be defended when they went to sleep with there enemy, named Intel.

Mac cpu's = Intel
Mac Boards = Foxconn im fairly sure there made by foxconn as they make intel boards.

So a intel cpu on a Foxconn board = ummm that sounds very like a windows machine no?
 
Last edited:

taltamir

Lifer
Mar 21, 2004
13,576
6
76
What you dont get is u can make ANY PC or ANY MAC into the other.
It just takes a good set of drivers, and a good understanding of the kernal OS in Tiger OS.

best point for mac is a PC...
want to run windows on your overpriced apple computer? bootcamp and install windows on it.
want to run MacOSX on any computer not sold by apple? Hackintosh.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
22,021
3
76
Massive in my definition means near half, or a significant share.

Im sorry, there not even a thorn yet to the windows market.

How can u say massive?

Its only massive because apple decided to be shady with the reports and include iphone + iPad sales.



Your going to cross windows platform?

How many older mac OS software / hardware wont work?
Oh wait.. APPLE changed platforms even so ALL The old apple hardware even wont work period.

Dude u cant defend apple.
They lost the chance to be defended when they went to sleep with there enemy, named Intel.

Mac cpu's = Intel
Mac Boards = Foxconn im fairly sure there made by foxconn as they make intel boards.

So a intel cpu on a Foxconn board = ummm that sounds very like a windows machine no?

Ok well for me massive means large, not a majority or close to a majority, In the student community I would say it's close to half, and definately a thorn in microsofts side.

And as for the whole compatibility issues with old mac hardware, as far as I'm aware, there aren't any software limitations stopping old Mac compatible hardware working in current systems... feel free to correct me with an example if I'm wrong, but as a user of Mac's and PC's I can safely say that the majority of the problems I encounter that result from the operating system come from the Windows side.

As for Apple getting in bed with their "enemy" I really couldn't care less about rivalries between companies, only the end result. For me Mac OS X is one of the best operating systems on the market, far defeating Windows in all ways other than the compatibility with things like games. for me Linux will always win out, mainly because I use it for work, and I just prefer command line stuff to a GUI, but if your looking for "normal" end user with a nice GUI then OSX is almost without compare, not without faults, but almost without competition.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
22,021
3
76
best point for mac is a PC...
want to run windows on your overpriced apple computer? bootcamp and install windows on it.
want to run MacOSX on any computer not sold by apple? Hackintosh.

That's true, and the advancements they are making with Hackintoshes are fantastic, but the compatibility isn't perfect yet and there are generally more problems than it is worth, If you can buy a Mac for a reasonable price, then there are really no downsides to me, Good hardware, and complete compatibility with the operating system.
 

taltamir

Lifer
Mar 21, 2004
13,576
6
76
If you can buy a Mac for a reasonable price
You can't, thats the whole point. It is the exact same hardware, only overpriced.

Ok well for me massive means large, not a majority or close to a majority, In the student community I would say it's close to half, and definately a thorn in microsofts side.
I don't know where you go to school, but less then 1 in 10 laptops i see in college are apple.
 

HAL9000

Lifer
Oct 17, 2010
22,021
3
76
You can't, thats the whole point. It is the exact same hardware, only overpriced.


I don't know where you go to school, but less then 1 in 10 laptops i see in college are apple.

I go to "school" (University) in Cambridge, and believe me they are EVERYWHERE, you can get a Mac reasonably priced, just buy second hand like I do.
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |