Steve Nash to the Lakers

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actuarial

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This - I think it'll be interesting to see how Gasol and Bynum will excel with Nash, Kobe will be Kobe, he'll his clutch shots when they need him.

Question remaining is Howard and the coach

Kobe's the big question mark. If he's smart, he'll let Steve dominate the ball and spend his time cutting to the basket. He'll take way less abuse and get his 25/game way easier. He can play hero-ball when Steve is on the bench.

Nash is way more clutch (IMO at least) than Kobe, so we'll see how things go at the end of games.

If the Lakers are coached properly, barring injuries and blowouts there shouldn't be a minute in any game when one of Nash or Kobe aren't on the court.
 

rasczak

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Even though I don't like the Lakers, I think this is a really good trade for them. None of the Lakers point guards last year were good at defense. However, he made Amare a better player, and he made Gortat a better player. Even if the Lakers stay put with their current lineup, I think Gasol and Bynum will have big years, cause he is going to get them open, and he is going to get them easier shots. Whether it is enough to compete with the Spurs and Thunder is still yet to be seen, but I really think they made the team better with this trade.

You're not going to get good defense out of Nash either. It was never his strong suit to begin with and at 38 it won't get any better.
 

darkewaffle

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You're not going to get good defense out of Nash either. It was never his strong suit to begin with and at 38 it won't get any better.

I think that was his point, they never had defense there so it's not like they're losing it.
 
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You're not going to get good defense out of Nash either. It was never his strong suit to begin with and at 38 it won't get any better.

Dude wtf are you talking about? The Lakers gave up some scrub ass draft picks for Nash. He's the best passing point guard in the NBA. Offer any team in the NBA Nash for a couple late first round picks and a couple second round picks and every team in the league does it. Not even a question.
If you have an axe to grind ask yourself why every time the Lakers look to be slowing down they have a top of the line player fall into their laps at basically no cost.
 

rasczak

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Dude wtf are you talking about? The Lakers gave up some scrub ass draft picks for Nash. He's the best passing point guard in the NBA. Offer any team in the NBA Nash for a couple late first round picks and a couple second round picks and every team in the league does it. Not even a question.
If you have an axe to grind ask yourself why every time the Lakers look to be slowing down they have a top of the line player fall into their laps at basically no cost.

I was actually commenting on the defense at this point. I understand the pickup, it just sounded like there was going to be an upgrade defensively as well. I just stated that imo, Nash wasn't going to give them any better defense that last years group gave.
 

swanysto

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I think that was his point, they never had defense there so it's not like they're losing it.

Yes, that was exactly my point. Fischer, Blake, and Sessions are not good defenders, so it is not like you are getting worse like some people like to think.
 

Via

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Those picks will be scrubs playing in the D league and will be lucky to ever see consistent playing time in the NBA. This was another gift to the Lakers.

It's hard to say.

Look at the Bulls this year: Teague dropped all the way to 29, and most observers believe he'll be better than his brother in the long term.

You never know with all of the kids coming out so early some years.
 

child of wonder

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This is great. Now Kobe has more scapegoats to point fingers at when they lose.

I predict Nash retires after this season.
 

NeoV

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Nash is way more clutch (IMO at least) than Kobe, so we'll see how things go at the end of games.


You have to stop posting in NBA-related threads for the rest of the year - Kobe has hit more clutch shots than anyone in the league, period - it's really not even worth discussing.

What has Nash ever won?

don't get me wrong, he's one of the best pure shooters the league has ever seen..but we really haven't seen much from him in the way of clutch shots, not to mention shots in the playoffs/finals.
 
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You have to stop posting in NBA-related threads for the rest of the year - Kobe has hit more clutch shots than anyone in the league, period - it's really not even worth discussing.

What has Nash ever won?

don't get me wrong, he's one of the best pure shooters the league has ever seen..but we really haven't seen much from him in the way of clutch shots, not to mention shots in the playoffs/finals.

Nash is clutch. Having been on both sides of it from a Dallas fan and him playing for us and on the other side having Nash kill us playing for Phoenix.
 

thegimp03

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Pretty great move and the Lakers might improve, but I don't see them getting past the Thunder or Heat.
 

actuarial

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You have to stop posting in NBA-related threads for the rest of the year - Kobe has hit more clutch shots than anyone in the league, period - it's really not even worth discussing.

What has Nash ever won?

don't get me wrong, he's one of the best pure shooters the league has ever seen..but we really haven't seen much from him in the way of clutch shots, not to mention shots in the playoffs/finals.

Kobe has lots of clutch shots on lots of opportunities. He doesn't shoot any better, percentage wise, than Nash in the clutch.

When Phoenix was going well Nash hit tons of crazy shots at the end of games, sometimes just dribbling it up the court and nailing 3s like it was nothing. And he makes up for not scoring as much as Kobe by setting up others.

You're right though, Nash hasn't won a championship. But that wasn't due to him coming up short at the end of close games.
 

uli2000

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My favourite basketball player goes to the team I hate the most.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84zY33QZO5o

Still, gotta keep things in perspective. At least he wasn't a money-grabbing prima donna as he could have made $11 million more in Toronto.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports...oosing+Lakers+over+Raptors/6885102/story.html

He wanted to stay close to his family. His kids live with his ex in Phoenix. Im sure if it was all about money, he'd be in Toronto or New York. As a lifelong Suns fan, it hurts to see him go to the Lakers, but with the piss poor ownership and management we have, at least I can be happy we got something for him rather than getting nothing from Toronto if we lost him to FA.
 

Red Storm

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I don't think the Lakers are done. Getting Nash was part 1. Either Bynum or Pau will be gone, and my money is on Bynum. Funny, before getting Nash it was pretty clear Pau's days as a Laker were done. I honestly think the Lakers are going to get Dwight Howard. The Nets/Mavs/Clippers/Hawks have nothing to offer that compares to Bynum, a legit Allstar center.
 

vi edit

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I don't think the Lakers are done. Getting Nash was part 1. Either Bynum or Pau will be gone, and my money is on Bynum. Funny, before getting Nash it was pretty clear Pau's days as a Laker were done.

I think Gasol is more moveable. He's shown good durability, isn't a liability at the end of the game when it comes to hacking big men, and doesn't have a ton of drama and childish behavior associated with him. Plus the guy is probably tired of being Kobe's punching bag for the last 5 years.

Bynum has moments of greatness, but he's just a kid in a man's body. I still question how much life are left in those knees.
 
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I think Gasol is more moveable. He's shown good durability, isn't a liability at the end of the game when it comes to hacking big men, and doesn't have a ton of drama and childish behavior associated with him. Plus the guy is probably tired of being Kobe's punching bag for the last 5 years.

Bynum has moments of greatness, but he's just a kid in a man's body. I still question how much life are left in those knees.

Twin ivory towers in big D? We're in bad shape down here.
Would love Gasol in Big D.
 

preslove

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I think Gasol is more moveable. He's shown good durability, isn't a liability at the end of the game when it comes to hacking big men, and doesn't have a ton of drama and childish behavior associated with him. Plus the guy is probably tired of being Kobe's punching bag for the last 5 years.

Bynum has moments of greatness, but he's just a kid in a man's body. I still question how much life are left in those knees.

All the more reason to get rid of him.
 

vi edit

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All the more reason to get rid of him.

Well yeah, but somebody has want him at a reasonable value to LA. He was healthier this year, but he wasn't exactly a coach pleaser when it came to his behavior.
 
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Red Storm

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Why is playing for more money in your home country considered money-grubbing and prima donnaish?

He picked winning a title and being close to his kids over more money. Sacrificing either of those let alone both just for more money would be pretty prima donna.
 

Red Storm

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The word prima donna, I don't think you understand its meaning.

It would be vain to value more money (as an already established millionaire) over sentimental reasons such as trying to win your first title or staying close to your family.

He's not even from Toronto. It would be like an LA native going to play in DC and saying he's "playing for the home team" just because they're both located in the US.
 

Gibsons

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I think Gasol is more moveable. He's shown good durability, isn't a liability at the end of the game when it comes to hacking big men, and doesn't have a ton of drama and childish behavior associated with him. Plus the guy is probably tired of being Kobe's punching bag for the last 5 years.

Bynum has moments of greatness, but he's just a kid in a man's body. I still question how much life are left in those knees.

He might have more trade value, but I keep hearing Buss is a Bynum fan.
 
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