Steve Scalise still won't admit the 2020 election wasn't stolen.

HomerJS

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Ever wonder why the truth has to be repeated 1000x for it to have a chance of sticking? Republicans are so good at misleading and lying to the public.

Steve Scalise still sucking Trump's dick to stay in his good graces and giving the lemmings some bantha fodder to hang onto.


Just remembered, time to update my CRT thread.
 

BoomerD

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It’s amazing to me that Trump wields so much power and influence over the Republican Party that members still “believe” the lies.
 

fskimospy

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It’s amazing to me that Trump wields so much power and influence over the Republican Party that members still “believe” the lies.
This isn’t really new for Republican partisans, although it is new for Republican elected officials.

Not a joke, plenty of republicans in my hometown do not believe the Democrats have fairly won a presidential election in my lifetime and I’m 43. This level of paranoia and fantastical thinking has just moved from the base to the mainstream because the elites are no longer pushing back.
 
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It’s amazing to me that Trump wields so much power and influence over the Republican Party that members still “believe” the lies.

It's not Trump. It's his fans. Scalise and just about every other Republican wish Trump would just go away.
 

ivwshane

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Why would he? Have you seen some of the idiots on this very forum who still believe the lie? If the lie works to the republicans benefit why stop now?
 
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Moonbeam

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It's not Trump. It's his fans. Scalise and just about every other Republican wish Trump would just go away.
For me this is like more of a paradox. I see Stockholm survivor conditions in which the huge hatred against whoever victimized then must be deeply denied and kept far from conscious awareness. This is a situation, in my opinion, where what one really feel, ours deeper wishes, are far from conscious awareness. What is true is not true even though it is true. What makes Trump folk is all of that suppressed hatred and the fear the cult leader who promises to turn it on others will turn it on them in my opinion.

PS: I should add that I suspect your post was intended to call attention to an additional truth.
 
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fskimospy

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It's not Trump. It's his fans. Scalise and just about every other Republican wish Trump would just go away.
I agree, but only to an extent. Trump fans have thought the exact same things for a long time now but elected officials never felt the need to cater to them until now, and that’s because Trump has validated their conspiracy theories.

I think it’s a symbiotic relationship as neither could sustain without the other. There are definitely Democrats who believed the 2004 election was stolen but Democratic legislators were having none of it.
 

Ken g6

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This isn’t really new for Republican partisans, although it is new for Republican elected officials.

Not a joke, plenty of republicans in my hometown do not believe the Democrats have fairly won a presidential election in my lifetime and I’m 43. This level of paranoia and fantastical thinking has just moved from the base to the mainstream because the elites are no longer pushing back.
That's a lot more stolen elections than I thought anyone believed. I guess a case can be made against H. Ross Perot, but Obama pretty clearly won twice.

On the other hand, I can make a case that all the Republican wins this century were stolen. Bush v. Gore, Kerry got swiftboated, and Hillary got tanked by Comey's notice about her emails.

But they're probably thinking about some kind of actual election tampering, aren't they?
 

Indus

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This isn’t really new for Republican partisans, although it is new for Republican elected officials.

Not a joke, plenty of republicans in my hometown do not believe the Democrats have fairly won a presidential election in my lifetime and I’m 43. This level of paranoia and fantastical thinking has just moved from the base to the mainstream because the elites are no longer pushing back.

Where the fuck do you live?

Missouri?
 

fskimospy

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That's a lot more stolen elections than I thought anyone believed. I guess a case can be made against H. Ross Perot, but Obama pretty clearly won twice.

On the other hand, I can make a case that all the Republican wins this century were stolen. Bush v. Gore, Kerry got swiftboated, and Hillary got tanked by Comey's notice about her emails.

But they're probably thinking about some kind of actual election tampering, aren't they?
They are referring to illegal election tampering, yes.

And while all of your examples are ones of shitty or unethical behavior they still fall within the widely accepted norms of the country. (Even if those are bad). They aren’t examples of like ballot stuffing or whatever.
 
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nickqt

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Republicans have reached the stage where they no longer care about winning elections fairly in order to wield power. They will say and do whatever it takes.

Fascism feeds on chaos. While they would like for their Presidential candidate to win bigly and take power with a "mandate", they might prefer another popular vote loss and Electoral College squeaker so they can mightily claim that their only defense against this deep state corruption is to temporarily give themselves enough power to, uh, cleanse the country of the deep state cabal working against them. I know that game.
 

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The thing that drives me crazy is what has the republican party done for the regular US citizen to warrant such loyalty? The last thing I can think of is Medicare part D and that was way back when George W. was in office.

As far as believing the lies it's really all they see when looking at their phones. My sister and her friend will swear that covid vaccines are causing heart issues and death. When I ask if these same people have had covid the answer is always yes and they are too damn dumb to connect the dots.
 

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The thing that drives me crazy is what has the republican party done for the regular US citizen to warrant such loyalty? The last thing I can think of is Medicare part D and that was way back when George W. was in office.

As far as believing the lies it's really all they see when looking at their phones. My sister and her friend will swear that covid vaccines are causing heart issues and death. When I ask if these same people have had covid the answer is always yes and they are too damn dumb to connect the dots.
Yup. I can't recall a single policy or Republican action even on a state level where
1) I thought it was good
2) democrats weren't already doing it en masse
 
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Jaskalas

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It’s amazing to me that Trump wields so much power and influence over the Republican Party that members still “believe” the lies.
Nothing to do with Trump.
That's just how human brains work. We sell ourselves an internal monologue. Doesn't need to have ANY attachment to reality. People just like to believe, whatever they LIKE to believe. It is the origin of religion. That people's brains are hard wired for comfort over truth.

This is only shattered if someone identifies with a group that teaches and practices a strict search for the truth. We all must be conditioned to accept reality.
Aside from that one exception, it is turtles all the way down.
 

ivwshane

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The thing that drives me crazy is what has the republican party done for the regular US citizen to warrant such loyalty? The last thing I can think of is Medicare part D and that was way back when George W. was in office.

As far as believing the lies it's really all they see when looking at their phones. My sister and her friend will swear that covid vaccines are causing heart issues and death. When I ask if these same people have had covid the answer is always yes and they are too damn dumb to connect the dots.

It’s no longer about policies or what politicians are doing for Americans, it’s all about faux outrage, conspiracy, and culture wars. When you focus on those and you have a whole industry that pushes the same narratives, policy isn’t something you care about any more.
 

mikeymikec

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It’s amazing to me that Trump wields so much power and influence over the Republican Party that members still “believe” the lies.

Conservatism is a one-trick pony. Here's the process:

1 - "Look out, that foreigner/poor person is going to take your stuff!" and/or "things were better when fewer people had rights"
2 - Takes your stuff.

In order to sell this shitty strategy, they need someone who appeals to the intended intended scam victims. Once they find that golden calf, they're going to worship the shit out of it.

IMO the main difference with Trump and the GQP is that he transformed the party into something that has dubious chances of surviving without him, so they were wary of applying the usual formula of jettisoning him when things start going wrong and making him a scapegoat.
 

Moonbeam

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Nothing to do with Trump.
That's just how human brains work. We sell ourselves an internal monologue. Doesn't need to have ANY attachment to reality. People just like to believe, whatever they LIKE to believe. It is the origin of religion. That people's brains are hard wired for comfort over truth.

This is only shattered if someone identifies with a group that teaches and practices a strict search for the truth. We all must be conditioned to accept reality.
Aside from that one exception, it is turtles all the way down.
On the contrary. We are built for the truth, we are genetically evolved seekers of reality. We have mechanisms that respond to chemicals, sound and light, touch and diagnostic analysis of our own internal being. It is only the fear manufactured by imagination associated with past exposure to suffering in the form of verbal and physical abuse that drives us to stick our heads in the sand. We were born to learn full of an intellectual curiosity. We progress only because some of it survives as a longing for self fulfillment that is the natural outgrowth of real self respect. You always describe man at his worst, no the potential you were told was never within you because you were told you are a worthless thing.
 

BoomerD

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Maybe Trump and his ilk were right...the election WAS stolen...by ungrateful citizens who voted for "Sleepy Joe" instead of the rightful winner, King Donald J. Trump...aka King Donnie the Twice Impeached.
 

cytg111

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It’s amazing to me that Trump wields so much power and influence over the Republican Party that members still “believe” the lies.
They don’t believe it, but they know that a certain percentage of the voter base does, and as power means everything, tell people what they want to hear. The election was stolen.
 
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Jaskalas

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You always describe man at his worst,
I describe what we are.
To do otherwise is to shrink from the responsibility of first recognizing the problem before you can apply the proper structure and institution to fix it.
Ultimate freedom is flawed because we are flawed.

To become enlightened we must be indoctrinated towards a behavior that is better than our natural behavior. Americans had accidentally aimed towards that, once upon a time. But we failed to recognize greatness is an effort of education and is not inherent. Thus we fell from grace and arrived at today's American politics, and worse. We lost what made us great by thinking too highly of ourselves and too little of our institutions. Without that recognition we failed to safe guard them. We failed to educate and keep people on the path towards doing better.

For our hubris our nation will fall, like all the others before it.
 

Moonbeam

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I describe what we are.
To do otherwise is to shrink from the responsibility of first recognizing the problem before you can apply the proper structure and institution to fix it.
Ultimate freedom is flawed because we are flawed.

To become enlightened we must be indoctrinated towards a behavior that is better than our natural behavior. Americans had accidentally aimed towards that, once upon a time. But we failed to recognize greatness is an effort of education and is not inherent. Thus we fell from grace and arrived at today's American politics, and worse. We lost what made us great by thinking too highly of ourselves and too little of our institutions. Without that recognition we failed to safe guard them. We failed to educate and keep people on the path towards doing better.

For our hubris our nation will fall, like all the others before it.
I have suggested that you describe us as you know us to be. I suggest also that to assume that what you know us to be is the same as what we can become is based on assumptions not facts. To indoctrinate is to imprison. To become enlightened is to lose bad behaviors not acquire good ones. We have and everything else has always been perfect. Our problem is that we were taught otherwise, that we are worthless. That is what you are seeing. It is the ego that wants to improve that. The ego always plays that trick. We don't need to be better. We need to stop believing we are worthless. The way out is to remember how we suffered. You can explain why that is the way but you can't make then do it.

That is also the purpose of religion, to step right over all that pain via faith. Some love God so much that all traces of self disappear and only love is.

There is a difference between indoctrination and the making of knowledge available. Only those who want it will see it for what it is but that's better than nothing.

Naturally self realization, or the desire to seek it can be helped along by people skilled in that task. I am not such a one.
 
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