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cmdrdredd

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Jesus, you must live in a big city like Denver or Phoenix. Where I live there's only one Gamestop, one Wal-Mart (two if you count the one on the res, but we don't go out there), one Target, and one Best Buy. We had a Toys R Us, but that went out of business almost 20 years ago.

Not even this is south Florida, about 30minutes north of Miami not far from Ft. Lauderdale.

South Florida is different to most of the country I've visited in that way. There are a ton of stores in short distances. If I extend the search to within 30minutes which would include Miami and west palm beach there are 47 walmarts and 79 Gamestop stores.
 
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Stg-Flame

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Yea.... no. That's way too populated for my taste. I've been to Phoenix, Houston, Denver, and a few other places (San Diego, Lansing, etc.) and I couldn't stand it. There were just too many people. I prefer the smaller towns.
 

Topweasel

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Yea.... no. That's way too populated for my taste. I've been to Phoenix, Houston, Denver, and a few other places (San Diego, Lansing, etc.) and I couldn't stand it. There were just too many people. I prefer the smaller towns.
Lansing like Lansing Michigan? I ask be the rest of you locales are on the west side. But man you must like being a Hermit if Lansing is too big for you.
 

cmdrdredd

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Yea.... no. That's way too populated for my taste. I've been to Phoenix, Houston, Denver, and a few other places (San Diego, Lansing, etc.) and I couldn't stand it. There were just too many people. I prefer the smaller towns.

Heh yeah it is pretty densely populated. There are about 6 million people in the tri county area as of 2014.
 

Stuka87

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I actually found one over the weekend. I was at Walmart (I hate that place so much) and I always just pass by the electronics to see if the case with the switch is empty. And this time, it was not. They had two. So I got one, and while I was, the second one sold too. The employee said they had put their shipment out the previous night, so they did not last long. And I live in a fairly small area (48k people in the whole county).
 

sze5003

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I checked two best buys near me and they are all sold out too. Not like I would use the system much but I do miss some Zelda. Amazon had one for well over $400.

I actually appreciate what Nintendo does despite not being the strongest console. They know how to make something that will sell well, even if there are not many games out for the system yet.
 

cmdrdredd

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I checked two best buys near me and they are all sold out too. Not like I would use the system much but I do miss some Zelda. Amazon had one for well over $400.

I actually appreciate what Nintendo does despite not being the strongest console. They know how to make something that will sell well, even if there are not many games out for the system yet.

Nintendo just isn't making enough of them. It's easy to sell out when you only make a very limited number.

Also the Amazon sellers are mostly scams. Seen too many that are hacked or fake accounts that give false tracking numbers etc. I never buy from Amazon marketplace, worse than eBay.
 

CZroe

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Nintendo just isn't making enough of them. It's easy to sell out when you only make a very limited number.

Also the Amazon sellers are mostly scams. Seen too many that are hacked or fake accounts that give false tracking numbers etc. I never buy from Amazon marketplace, worse than eBay.

...except that this is literally their best launch ever (better than the Wii) meaning that they made and sold even more than they did with the Wii in the same period of time. If you recall the launch of PS3 and Wii in November of 2006, Sony also sold out at launch but over-produced for the holiday season. A ton of the launch units were bought by scalpers who began returning them en masse before Christmas. By Christmas my local Best Buy and Circuit City had mountains of them in-store and Sony's executives were being laughed at for stupidly thinking that the PS3 was hard to get:
https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/02/12/we-accept-paypal-and-most-major-credit-cards

My point is, Nintendo was making and selling twice as many Wiis as the PS3 and what was inarguably too many for PS3 was "not enough" for the Wii. Despite that, people said the exact same thing as you. If beating their previous record-breaking production that had twice as many sales as the competition still isn't enough to get people to stop accusing them of engineering shortages and making "a very limited number," what is? The facts are that the Switch is pretty easy to get if you really want one despite spot checks frequently turning up zero stock. It's still very new. If they had cranked up manufacturing any more it would be really irresponsible and screw them over as soon as the initial rush of launch period buyers subsides (duh).

You are asking them to shoot themselves in the foot by demanding that they produce even more than the record-breaking numbers they are producing. This is nothing like when the Wii, 360, or PS2 were three months into their launch and I think anyone whining about it is just a crybaby who doesn't recall recent history.

Sorry.
 
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cmdrdredd

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You missed my point. I'm taking about it being sold out. If they made enough it would not be sold out. They sold 1.2million in the first month. Sony sold 2.1million ps4s in their first month. I think Nintendo could have sold 2 million but they didn't produce that many. I mean if we want to compare, Sony sold as many PS4s in 24hours as Nintendo sold switches in a month. In my view the deciding factor is how many were available to actually sell to people.
 

Topweasel

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You missed my point. I'm taking about it being sold out. If they made enough it would not be sold out. They sold 1.2million in the first month. Sony sold 2.1million ps4s in their first month. I think Nintendo could have sold 2 million but they didn't produce that many. I mean if we want to compare, Sony sold as many PS4s in 24hours as Nintendo sold switches in a month. In my view the deciding factor is how many were available to actually sell to people.
But we can't act like Nintendo is Sony. Besides not having the buying power of Sony. They are competing with everyone on parts as no of them are bespoke with the Switch. They have had to roll back manufacturing for several years due to lack of sales. It's not like they can flip a switch and all of a sudden have the capacity people want. I mentioned earlier that the work Nintendo did to increase Wii production numbers nearly killed them when the Wii started to dip and the U flopped.

Also we don't know how much of the PS4 original sales were stock built up before launch.
 

CZroe

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You missed my point. I'm taking about it being sold out. If they made enough it would not be sold out. They sold 1.2million in the first month. Sony sold 2.1million ps4s in their first month. I think Nintendo could have sold 2 million but they didn't produce that many. I mean if we want to compare, Sony sold as many PS4s in 24hours as Nintendo sold switches in a month. In my view the deciding factor is how many were available to actually sell to people.
Incorrect. The Switch sold 2.4 million in March alone. It also continues to sell faster than the PS4 did in major markets.
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/1660460/nintendo-switch-sales-just-broke-a-record

https://www.google.com/amp/www.play...m-units-in-japan-faster-than-ps4-ps-vita/amp/

Not sure where you get your info. Accepting US numbers compared to worldwide numbers to support your confirmation bias or the decades-long group-think narrative perhaps?

Again, the Switch is generally not sold out everywhere in a given NA region. That's the narrative for anyone trying to argue that Nintendo is manipulating stock, but it's simply not true. If one out of five retailers has it one day and one out of three have it the next and a one out of ten has it the next, well, there are still options. I live in one of the places where it's considered hard to get and yet I got mine at launch and have had more than weekly opportunities to buy another without even actively looking for them (if I were it would be closer to daily opportunities). Heck, I spent a third of the time since it launched in Japan and Thailand and I had the opportunity to buy it several times in both places. That actually surprising for Thailand, since Nintendo doesn't even operate/ship there.

Yes, Nintendo has had stock issues in the past. No, the Switch is not one of them. They actually did very good with the Wii in the face of unprecedented demand. Look at the PS2's NA launch in 2000 if you want to see a supply-side disaster. People were paying ~$8,000 on eBay to get one and they started dying in a matter of months.

Oh, and the 360's launch was a similar disaster. When they sold out in November of 2005 supplies completely dried up until the next year. No one was expecting to wait until Spring 2006. Years later we found out that Microsoft knew there were reliability issues and has deliberately withheld stock to investigate. Those units reappeared for Black Friday with Best Buy's Guitar Hero II bundles and the extra heat sinks added. People noticed that they were distinctly older than the other current stock at the time despite being brand new. It took years for MS to fess up to all of it.

Nintendo's competition doesn't get called out on similar issues because it doesn't fit the story that Nintendo is deliberately holding back stock. For the Wii and Switch at least, that story is laughable in the face of hard numbers. Again, it would be completely irresponsible of Nintendo to increase Switch manufacturing capacity any more than they have. That should be obvious to anyone with an open mind, but go on believing whatever you want, I guess. Probably not much I can do to change your mind in light of the NES Classic Edition debacle.
 
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cmdrdredd

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But we can't act like Nintendo is Sony. Besides not having the buying power of Sony. They are competing with everyone on parts as no of them are bespoke with the Switch. They have had to roll back manufacturing for several years due to lack of sales. It's not like they can flip a switch and all of a sudden have the capacity people want. I mentioned earlier that the work Nintendo did to increase Wii production numbers nearly killed them when the Wii started to dip and the U flopped.

Also we don't know how much of the PS4 original sales were stock built up before launch.

I'm not going to give Nintendo any slack on this. If they made more they could sell more. The fact that they don't last more than 24hours on the store shelves at the current rate proves it in my mind.

I don't live in Europe or Asia so I only looked at North American sales numbers and business insider said 1.4mil. The PS4 also had a staggered launch and didn't start selling in all regions at the same time so worldwide sales didn't have the same amount of time to ramp up. It launched over two weeks later in Europe for example. Knowing this I find it hard to compare worldwide sales numbers. I still believe that if there were additional units available that they would still sell.
 
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CZroe

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I'm not going to give Nintendo any slack on this. If they made more they could sell more. The fact that they don't last more than 24hours on the store shelves at the current rate proves it in my mind.

They do make more than anyone has before...
...and they also sell more than anyone has before.

Can't really criticize them and accuse them of manipulation if no one has ever done any better. Also, I've seen them remain in stock over 24 hours several times. They are usually gone a few days before the next shipment, but that's usually when some other nearby retailer is receiving a shipment with enough for 12-36 hours. Granted, it isn't going to be like that in midtown of a giant metropolis, but even those people can drive out to the 'burbs if they are so inclined. These things have been practically pouring out everywhere and I suspect most people complaining haven't even got out there to look.

Nintendo isn't going to waste money on what will very soon be considered an irresponsible level of overcapacity just to make it slightly easier to get a Switch. It's easy enough already. I honestly don't know who is buying these. Everyone I know who wants one has one or has had several opportunities and I've seen others on this forum say the same thing. The only people I see complaining are perpetual Nintendo-haters and the "I won't buy one until I can walk into Wal-Mart and find it sitting on the shelf" crowd living in particularly bad areas (again: I've seen them in that exact scenario several times; once was only a few days after the launch). I honestly wonder if those people have even bothered checking when they are in Walmart. :hmm:
 

KentState

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It's only been a couple months at this point anyways plus Nintendo needs the pent-up demand for the next big title. I can't think of another must have since Zelda. If this is an issue when Mario launches, then we should debate the availability.
 

JujuFish

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Ackmed

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I still have not found one local. I have not looked really hard to be honest, casually whenever I am out and in a store that carries them. Made a few calls. Even stopping by Gamestop a several times. I have 4 close by. Went on a road trip last weekend, went to a Wal Mart, and I hate Wal Mart. It was in the middle of nowhere, thinking maybe they have one since it was a small town. Nope. I have tried to go to several websites, Bestbuy, Target, Walmart, they all show not in stock, and no ship to store. I refuse to buy at an increased price online again. I imported a N64 with Pilot Wings and Mario 64 before it was released in the US, beat Mario with all 120 stars in a week, which wasn't easy because I could read the damn signs. Then bought one in the US once they launched, paying upwards of $100 for a game, when that was a lot of money to me back then, hell of a lot. There was HUGE shortages of them at the time, games and consoles going for crazy prices. People selling them at the mall on the sidewalk at ridiculous prices, because they knew the stores were out. Catching people on the way in. I remember seeing signs on cars as they drove around saying that they had one to sell.

I refuse to do again for Nintendo. This isn't the first time this has happened. Its been months. I can wait until they stop playing their games. But I can be pretty stubborn and petty when I want to be, they keep this up and I'll just forgo the console all together. Im not playing this game of searching for them, driving up demand just because its scarce. Fuck them. Sure I will miss a few good games, but whatever. They'll miss many sales from me.
 

Ichinisan

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I still have not found one local. I have not looked really hard to be honest, casually whenever I am out and in a store that carries them. Made a few calls. Even stopping by Gamestop a several times. I have 4 close by. Went on a road trip last weekend, went to a Wal Mart, and I hate Wal Mart. It was in the middle of nowhere, thinking maybe they have one since it was a small town. Nope. I have tried to go to several websites, Bestbuy, Target, Walmart, they all show not in stock, and no ship to store. I refuse to buy at an increased price online again. I imported a N64 with Pilot Wings and Mario 64 before it was released in the US, beat Mario with all 120 stars in a week, which wasn't easy because I could read the damn signs. Then bought one in the US once they launched, paying upwards of $100 for a game, when that was a lot of money to me back then, hell of a lot. There was HUGE shortages of them at the time, games and consoles going for crazy prices. People selling them at the mall on the sidewalk at ridiculous prices, because they knew the stores were out. Catching people on the way in. I remember seeing signs on cars as they drove around saying that they had one to sell.

I refuse to do again for Nintendo. This isn't the first time this has happened. Its been months. I can wait until they stop playing their games. But I can be pretty stubborn and petty when I want to be, they keep this up and I'll just forgo the console all together. Im not playing this game of searching for them, driving up demand just because its scarce. Fuck them. Sure I will miss a few good games, but whatever. They'll miss many sales from me.
I pre-ordered my N64 at Toys-R-Us, but they wouldn’t take my mother’s check due to a mix-up in their system. I stopped at K-mart that evening and bought mine.

I’ve seen Switch available many places and I’ve spent 0 effort looking.

I pre-ordered one at Best Buy, but changed my mind about which color Joy-Cons I wanted. I went to Walmart at midnight anyway and got one 10 or so hours before Best Buy opened. I picked up my Best Buy pre-order after work that day and didn’t know what to do with it. I put it on Craigslist for $360 and nobody seemed to be interested. I sold it for like $340 over a week later. Meanwhile, Best Buy, Walmart, Target, and GameStop had each received multiple shipments.
 
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Ackmed

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Regarding the N64, they were out for many, many weeks/months after release around here. It was a similar crazy to the Tickle Me Elmo Craze, where people literally went crazy trying to get them before Christmas, paying an outlandish price for them. Again, perhaps it was around here. Internet wasn't as big then, I didn't follow nationally.

Suppose it just depends on where you are. My city isn't huge, but isn't tiny either, about 400k. I have called randomly, and checked around. Checked Target today when buying new sheets, had games but no system. Went across the way (out door mall) and checked Gamestop, not there either. Checked the other (there are two in the same mall area), not there either. I am willing to pay retail price, not a penny more. I have done my fair share of paying for price gouged things, usually video cards. Not anymore. Funny how when I have more money, I am more frugal with it. Younger and dumber I guess, I would pay almost anything to have it day 1 or when it was the hot item. If you are serious about seeing them all the time, I would be willing to buy one from you, if you didn't mind helping someone out. Perhaps we can broker a trade or something. I am just not willing to play the games anymore of running around chasing something down, and paying more than retail for it.
 

KentState

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I’ve seen Switch available many places and I’ve spent 0 effort looking.

Serious question. How do you see them available at many places without any effort looking or do you mean seeing them on a tracking website? I rarely go to a Walmart, Target or Best Buy and even more rare that I visit a Frys or Gamestop so I have yet to see one sitting on the shelves. However, if I watch istocknow I know which store in the area have them and went out of my way at lunch a few weeks ago to actually find four sitting on the shelf at a Target.
 

Ichinisan

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Serious question. How do you see them available at many places without any effort looking or do you mean seeing them on a tracking website? I rarely go to a Walmart, Target or Best Buy and even more rare that I visit a Frys or Gamestop so I have yet to see one sitting on the shelves. However, if I watch istocknow I know which store in the area have them and went out of my way at lunch a few weeks ago to actually find four sitting on the shelf at a Target.
I go to those places fairly often to pick up various things throughout the week. I always walk through the electronics section to see if there's anything cool with a clearance price.
 

KentState

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I go to those places fairly often to pick up various things throughout the week. I always walk through the electronics section to see if there's anything cool with a clearance price.

I'm sure it's also a timing thing. Seems that the stores get them in on Mondays from what the tracker has been showing.
 

preslove

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It was available for Prime day for a couple minutes before it sold out again lol
 

Oyeve

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I havent even played with mine it over a month. I probably should sell it.
 
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