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cbrsurfr

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I got the S177 for $200 more and it was well worth it in my opinion...bigger hd, nic, video out, better battery. I ordered mine before people discovered that the 177 was also a very good deal, so I had no problems getting it.
 

verytasty

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I got my laptop in today from bestbuy.com and I like it. But you guys have freaked me out about the battery. I don't really know how sh!tty it really is or isn't, but I'm so nervous that I haven't even tried to use it. I just keep it on AC power all the time. Thanks for making me paranoid. Had I not read your posts I would have been just fine. Ignorance is bliss.
 

KeinoDoggy

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cbsurfer,

Gotta disagree with you. I looked at both models and ended up buying the S157. First off the Processor is a much more modern Celeron. More closely related to a Pentium III as compared to the standard desktop Celeron in the S177. Although it's true the Intel video subsystem in the S157 shares the Laptops Ram, it also with the factory 256mb, can use as much as 32mb for video as needed. With 512mb installed it goes up to 48mb! Can't do that with the S177.
As far as the S177 having video out, I have had it in several desktop machines and found it totaly inadequite. Besides, unless you want to hook up to a TV, the S157 has the capability to output to a external monitor and the video quality would be fantastic.
I do agree that I would have preferred a LiOn battery for the longer run time, but I can always pick up a LiOn when the NiMh is no longer useful.
The hard drive size and the NIC are also not that important to me. From experience, I seldom waste all the space on a Laptop like I do on my Desktops. 15 gig is still a lot for a Laptop! External Nics are $10 to $15.
The S157 also has to other advantages I like, it is a pound lighter and significantly thinner.
Oh yeah, by the time that hard drive fills up, and the battery wears out, I'll either sell it or spend the $200(plus interest) savings on a larger drive and better battery. ( Thanks to the constantly dropping prices!)

 

chibimike

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Can you just switch out a NiMH battery for a LiIon battery?
I've seen this mentioned twice, but I have never heard of anyone doing it.
I would assume that there are differences in the charging hardware between the two.

Can anyone confirm that they have done this and it worked fine?


mike
 

Mookie

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<< Can you just switch out a NiMH battery for a LiIon battery?
I've seen this mentioned twice, but I have never heard of anyone doing it.
I would assume that there are differences in the charging hardware between the two.

Can anyone confirm that they have done this and it worked fine?
>>



I've got this laptop and am very happy with it other than the battery life. Anybody know about a LiOn battery for this. Source? Link?

Thanks,

mookie

 

liusee

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Mookie,
Viper GTS posted about a Li battery in this thread on Tuesday, March 19 (see page 3 of this thread). I'm interested to know if using a Li battery would require a change in the power adapter.
 

hojoasami

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Hey guys! I just went to circuit city to do a price match of a compusa.com print out of this product ($899 at Compusa.com and its $999 at CC), but the customer service rep told me they don't price match to online stores. So I told the guy if they can call the store up to verify the price, but they said they don't do that and that they only pricematch to physical printed ads to B&M stores. =(

Is that true, did any of you guys have any success to pricematching with either an internet printout or a phone call to another store? tia for any responses!

Hojo
 

ehaught

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Hojo, go to Office Depot and pick up a copy of their print ad. It is featured on the front page for $899.99 before MIR.

 

rk0

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bump - sure about circuit city? not that it matters, appears everyone bought this laptop anyway (from the Amazon link
)

"We're sorry, we don't have it, but our partner Circuit City does at $999."
 

cbrsurfr

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<<i placed my order on the 14th. when did you?

Ordered it on the 12th for pickup. OOS at my local BB so I cancelled and replaced my order on the 13th.





<< Gotta disagree with you. I looked at both models and ended up buying the S157. First off the Processor is a much more modern Celeron. More closely related to a Pentium III as compared to the standard desktop Celeron in the S177. Although it's true the Intel video subsystem in the S157 shares the Laptops Ram, it also with the factory 256mb, can use as much as 32mb for video as needed. With 512mb installed it goes up to 48mb! Can't do that with the S177. As far as the S177 having video out, I have had it in several desktop machines and found it totaly inadequite. Besides, unless you want to hook up to a TV, the S157 has the capability to output to a external monitor and the video quality would be fantastic.
I do agree that I would have preferred a LiOn battery for the longer run time, but I can always pick up a LiOn when the NiMh is no longer useful.
The hard drive size and the NIC are also not that important to me. From experience, I seldom waste all the space on a Laptop like I do on my Desktops. 15 gig is still a lot for a Laptop! External Nics are $10 to $15.
The S157 also has to other advantages I like, it is a pound lighter and significantly thinner.
Oh yeah, by the time that hard drive fills up, and the battery wears out, I'll either sell it or spend the $200(plus interest) savings on a larger drive and better battery. ( Thanks to the constantly dropping prices!)
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The major turn off of the S157 for me was the battery and the modular floppy. According to the sheet Toshiba sent me w/ the laptop they want $140 for a Li-ion battery (for my model, I don't know what it costs for your model). Add that to your $699 laptop and you are within $60 of what I paid. Considering I almost spent $100 more on a similar Dell w/ a 900mhz celeron I still think I did pretty well with the 1100mhz old celeron. Sure the 1066 would have been better, but am I really going to notice that much of a difference? I'm not going to be playing games on this laptop...thats what my gf3 in my desktop is for. Mine also has the floppy built-in which I would much rather have over a modular one. If you have ever lost/damaged a modular floppy like I have and had to replace it you would see where I am coming from. 16,32,48mb video doesn't really matter to me as long as it plays dvd's well (which mine does fine) even if you get yours to 48mb it's no different than those people that put coffee cans on their mufflers and think they have a fast car. I have a Nic and Modem built in so I have two free pcmcia slots that I can do with as I please. No swapping back and forth or loose proprietary cables for me to worry about (like I had on my old laptop).

Some more disadvantages of the 157 according to epinions:

"it does lack a mouse port or serial port for those older devices such as your handheld cradle for your old handheld computer for example." I have wireless rf ps2 mice so this is important to me.

"For the battery it's rather disappointing that it offers a Ni-MH battery, even for a budget laptop. Since it doesn't even offer a Li-Ion battery as an accessory, the laptop runs only for 2 hours with the battery alone, less if you're using the DVD. Plus, you may only charge the battery when it's completely drained out for the maximum life of the battery. Which can be an inconvenience, compared to the Li-Ion battery, which doesn't have any of the restrictions of the Ni-MH. "

"The screen is rather limited to just 14.1" at the XGA resolution, but it's more than adequate for the budget user and it displays the colors vividly, but it's slightly darker than the 1800 series though. " According to this your screen is slightly darker.

I've also actually used my video out a few times already. I used it to play 1/2 of The Matrix in my Calc class (finish it Tues.) and to play movies on my uncle's 43" Sony(he doesn't have nor will get a dvd player).

I also have over 10gigs of my drive filled up already, so the 20 gig was perfect for me.

Mine isn't a full pound heavier, its only 14oz

So for ME the 1800-S177 was the better deal for what I am using it for. Either laptop has great features and is well worth the money.
 

freemanteo

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Still thinking.... need advice..... Is it worth it at current price $799 AR?

Is it any good on games?

Have 2 here in East Texas, Longview.

I reserved 1 for myself. I hope they reserve one for me...
 

ohhenry1

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Yes, can anyone please confirm the rumor that the laptop will be available for $699 after rebates at Circuit City, starting tomorrow?

My friend is going to purchase it for $799 after rebate at CompUSA today. If it's true, that it'll be available tomorrow for $100 less, I'm sure he'd like to know!

Thanks.
 

rk0

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>I've also actually used my video out a few times already. I used it to >play 1/2 of The Matrix in my Calc class (finish it Tues.) and to play >movies on my uncle's 43" Sony(he doesn't have nor will get a dvd player).

Back when I was in school, Calculus was different - there were no movies

 

rk0

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<< Yes, can anyone please confirm the rumor that the laptop will be available for $699 after rebates at Circuit City, starting tomorrow?

My friend is going to purchase it for $799 after rebate at CompUSA today. If it's true, that it'll be available tomorrow for $100 less, I'm sure he'd like to know!

Thanks.
>>



Blue blue blue!
 

kevin80

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Check this place: http://images.saleshound.com/

The regular price at Circuit City is $1,099.99, but until March 30 there will be a $100.00 Toshiba mail-in rebate, a $100.00 Circuit City mail-in rebate and a $200.00 instant rebate.

That brings the price down to $699.99 after rebates.
 

spanky

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<< Check this place: http://images.saleshound.com/

The regular price at Circuit City is $1,099.99, but until March 30 there will be a $100.00 Toshiba mail-in rebate, a $100.00 Circuit City mail-in rebate and a $200.00 instant rebate.

That brings the price down to $699.99 after rebates.
>>



that is hot. but i do not see anything on the CC website about $200IR. is this an instore deal?
 

freemanteo

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<< Check this place: http://images.saleshound.com/

The regular price at Circuit City is $1,099.99, but until March 30 there will be a $100.00 Toshiba mail-in rebate, a $100.00 Circuit City mail-in rebate and a $200.00 instant rebate.

That brings the price down to $699.99 after rebates.
>>




I'm off..... CC here i come!

Do you guys buy extended warranties? 2yrs- $179.99 4yrs-$269.99
 

KeinoDoggy

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you may only charge the battery when it's completely drained out for the maximum life of the battery. Which can be an inconvenience, compared to the Li-Ion battery, which doesn't have any of the restrictions of the Ni-MH. "

The guy that said this has no idea what he is talking about. Nickel Metal Hydride, like LiOn DO NOT need to be fuly discharged before charging. That's a bunch of bunk! Nickel Cadmium batteries are the ones that are guilty in that respect. They tend to create a "memory" spot where they will only partially charge if not fully discharged first.


The screen is rather limited to just 14.1" at the XGA resolution, but it's more than adequate for the budget user and it displays the colors vividly, but it's slightly darker than the 1800 series though. " According to this your screen is slightly darker

You have the same screen!

As far as the dark screen, If you would read my earlier post on this matter you would see that If you go to "Toshiba Power Management" in Control Panel, and change your power scheme from the default "Normal" to "High Power" you will see one of the best TFT displays ever.



Mine also has the floppy built-in which I would much rather have over a modular one. If you have ever lost/damaged a modular floppy like I have and had to replace it you would see where I am coming from

If I would somehow lose mine or damaged it I would order a new one and simply slide it in. Try that with your integrated floppy drive if yours quit working. Go ahead, try to find a listing for your floppy drive on Toshiba's site. If they are anything like other Laptop manufacturers they will not want to sell you one. They will say you need to send it in for repairs!
As far as what you consider a hassle of swapping the DVD with the Floppy, I can not remember the last time I bought floppy disks. When was the last time you bought a program that was on a floppy? All of my work is put on CDR's and any OSes I have are on bootable CD-Rom.



even if you get yours to 48mb it's no different than those people that put coffee cans on their mufflers and think they have a fast car.

Check out this Review of the Dell Latitude C400. It uses the same Intel Graphics System and it bested all other laptops in this review during Benchmarks by 33% and 64%. Besides the processor they gave a lot of credit to "256MB of memory and an Intel 830M integrated-graphics subsystem".

TechTV had this Review on the Dell C400 with the 830M intel graphics:
Dell enhances the C400 with Intel's latest 830 chipset, which improves performance, power management, and adds support for 1GB of memory among other enhancements. Dell also relies on the chipset for graphics performance, rather than using a dedicated chipset. Intel's integrated graphics subsystem dynamically allocates system memory up to 32MB depending on graphical demands. Typical of notebooks this size, Dell includes a 12.1-inch display with a native resolution of 1024x768 pixels.We don't care for integrated graphics systems because they usually lack performance, but Intel's new chipset is a significant enhancement over its predecessor. The C400 is capable of running the graphics-intensive MadOnion 3DMark2001 and "Quake III" benchmarks at the display's native resolution and 32-bit color. Our top ultraportable pick, the IBM ThinkPad X22, couldn't run 3DMark2001 with 32-bit color, but the C400 has the advantage of being able to allocate significantly more memory to the task.



Sounds convincing to me.


Still think it is a better system despite a couple of fixable short comings such as the battery and internal NIC. Oh yeah I use a WiFi card.
If needed I can alway use a USB mouse since it has 3 available ports and my wireless mouse is also USB.
 

Forgiven

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I don't plan on gaming but I will use it to share internet etc through a usb phone line dealy...does anyone see any drawbacks to this? How long is the battery good for? Two hours?

Thanks
 

chibimike

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Keinodog said:
> TechTV had this Review on the Dell C400 with the 830M intel graphics:
> Dell enhances the C400 with Intel's latest 830 chipset, which improves performance, power management, and adds support for 1GB of memory among other enhancements. Dell also relies on the chipset for graphics performance, rather than using a dedicated chipset. Intel's integrated graphics subsystem dynamically allocates system memory up to 32MB depending on graphical demands. Typical of notebooks this size, Dell includes a 12.1-inch display with a native resolution of 1024x768 pixels.We don't care for integrated graphics systems because they usually lack performance, but Intel's new chipset is a significant enhancement over its predecessor. The C400 is capable of running the graphics-intensive MadOnion 3DMark2001 and "Quake III" benchmarks at the display's native resolution and 32-bit color. Our top ultraportable pick, the IBM ThinkPad X22, couldn't run 3DMark2001 with 32-bit color, but the C400 has the advantage of being able to allocate significantly more memory to the task.
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To continue on with the article:
Scores aren't stellar, with 3DMark2001 scores hitting 789, almost half the larger C610. At 640x480, the C400 scored 25.6 frames per second with "Quake III," but playable frame rates can be achieved with less-intensive settings. We don't usually test ultraportable notebooks for 3D performance, but if it's capable, it wins our approval and is worth mentioning.

25.6 fps at 640x480 with a PIII-M 1.2

This definately won't be a gaming machine.
I still would consider buying one if the battery weren't poop.

mike

 

KeinoDoggy

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I don't think you should consider a $700 laptop to be a gaming machine. The point of TechTV's review was that they were very surprised how well the Intel 830M performed compared to laptops with similar configurations but different video chipsets. My point is the same, that performance bang for the buck is better than the S177. Also for $700 you get a machine that will handle what most people are looking for in a laptop. My gaming machine sits on my desk not on my lap.
However I'm sure if you have $2500 to $3000 laying around you could find your gaming laptop.
 
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