Stimulus deal struck - reports

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Health is the most important thing a person has.

No, senseamp. While health care is certainly a valuable thing to have, freedom is something much more valuable.

If you can understand my sarcasm, then you will see that I strongly believe that our government should hold protecting the American way of life with a higher priority than protecting American life.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: bamacre
Many people are homeless. I say the government should provide them with a house. Many people are hungry, I say the government should provide them with food. Many people don't have internet access or even a computer, I say the government should provide them both. Many people don't have a job, I say the government should provide them with one. If you just want to give people health-care, you're leaving them healthy, but homeless, hungry, and unemployed. You selfish bastard.

This is RP's platform? No wonder he's doing so crappy.

Need some batteries for your sarcasm meter?

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Jadow
If I get the same rebate as some punk who didn't pay any taxes I'll be plssed.

yes, pelosi got the provision in to give free money to non tax paying low income workers, basically anyone that is issued a W-2 will get the minimum amount, even if they are EIC welfare recipients and pay no income taxes

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: senseamp
Health is the most important thing a person has.

No, senseamp. While health care is certainly a valuable thing to have, freedom is something much more valuable.

If you can understand my sarcasm, then you will see that I strongly believe that our government should hold protecting the American way of life with a higher priority than protecting American life.

Your definition of "freedom" is different from mine. I don't consider inability to afford to see a doctor "freedom."
Also, there is nothing unAmerican about universal healthcare, because we already provide it to all seniors.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: bamacre
Many people are homeless. I say the government should provide them with a house. Many people are hungry, I say the government should provide them with food. Many people don't have internet access or even a computer, I say the government should provide them both. Many people don't have a job, I say the government should provide them with one. If you just want to give people health-care, you're leaving them healthy, but homeless, hungry, and unemployed. You selfish bastard.

This is RP's platform? No wonder he's doing so crappy.

Need some batteries for your sarcasm meter?

Um no, you need a tweak detector. If there's one thing RP supporters have accomplished it's getting his positions out. What they don't get is that that is the reason why he's unpopular.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Your definition of "freedom" is different from mine.

No shit.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: senseamp
WTF, 75K limit? Ghetto.

Just marry a poor chick with zero income Unless you make more than 150k alone, then you're SOL. Of course if you make over 150k pls STFU over not getting a $600 check hehe

$150K ain't all that much when average house costs $1M in this area.
Also, the reason they don't want to give it to the rich is because the rich are more likely to save it instead of spending it on junk. Here is government trying to discourage saving and perpetuating the debt.
Hey, if they are so worried about me not spending this money, they can send me a gift card

I guess they should make it a $600 coupon/gift cert then. Guarantee spending!

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: senseamp
Your definition of "freedom" is different from mine.

No shit.

Not only that, but your definition of "freedom" is bankrupt.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: senseamp
Your definition of "freedom" is different from mine.

No shit.

Try fiber.

 

[Capitalizt]

When is it going out? I'm behind on my VISA for the first time ever...

could really use it now

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: Jadow
If I get the same rebate as some punk who didn't pay any taxes I'll be plssed.

yes, pelosi got the provision in to give free money to non tax paying low income workers, basically anyone that is issued a W-2 will get the minimum amount, even if they are EIC welfare recipients and pay no income taxes

Liquor stores, crack & crystal meth dealers, and payday loan/check cashing companies - stimulating the local economy!

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: senseamp
Your definition of "freedom" is different from mine.

No shit.

Not only that, but your definition of "freedom" is bankrupt.

Thanks to your ideas of freedom. Big government, big spending, bankrupt.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: senseamp
Your definition of "freedom" is different from mine.

No shit.

Not only that, but your definition of "freedom" is bankrupt.

Thanks to your ideas of freedom. Big government, big spending, bankrupt.

Because taxes are too low, thanks to your idea of freedom.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: senseamp
Your definition of "freedom" is different from mine.

No shit.

Not only that, but your definition of "freedom" is bankrupt.

Thanks to your ideas of freedom. Big government, big spending, bankrupt.

Because taxes are too low, thanks to your idea of freedom.

That's pretty much the difference, isn't it? You see taxes as too low. I see spending as too high. And yet, most Americans are taxed at roughly 50% of their incomes, through various means of taxation. How much more should be pay? 75%? Should we just be slaves?

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: senseamp
Your definition of "freedom" is different from mine.

No shit.

Not only that, but your definition of "freedom" is bankrupt.

Thanks to your ideas of freedom. Big government, big spending, bankrupt.

Because taxes are too low, thanks to your idea of freedom.

That's pretty much the difference, isn't it? You see taxes as too low. I see spending as too high. And yet, most Americans are taxed at roughly 50% of their incomes, through various means of taxation. How much more should be pay? 75%? Should we just be slaves?

Exactly how much we spend is how much we should tax. Then people can go to the voting booth and decide how much they want to spend, knowing that they will have to pay for it.
Not like now where GOP is telling them, hey don't worry about the spending, we'll just borrow money for it and keep taxes low.

 

[Vic]

"Free" money from Congress... I'm amused. It also looks like they're going to raise the Conforming loan limit for single-family homes in the lower 48 to $625k (up from the current $417k). I think some people here owe me an apology.

 

[senseamp]

It's disgusting political market manipulation with borrowed money to delay the pain until after the election year. Democrats disappoint me. You'd expect this sort of stunt from the GOP, which has been borrowing money like it's free for ages, but Democrats? Ugh.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Sweet more money for the savings account. Now, about that costly national health care plan...

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: senseamp
Health is the most important thing a person has.

No, senseamp. While health care is certainly a valuable thing to have, freedom is something much more valuable.

If you can understand my sarcasm, then you will see that I strongly believe that our government should hold protecting the American way of life with a higher priority than protecting American life.

Your definition of "freedom" is different from mine. I don't consider inability to afford to see a doctor "freedom."
Also, there is nothing unAmerican about universal healthcare, because we already provide it to all seniors.

You're confusing the difference between freedom and positive rights.

Freedom, or negative rights, are inherent. That means they exist until takenaway. For example, freedom of speech: you have the right to speak freely until someone punishes you for something you said. And even then you don't lose the freedom per se, you can only be punished for exercising it.

Positive rights OTOH can only exist by being granted through social contract. UHC is an obvious example of that. One is not born with access to free healthcare. Hence, the most common complaint about positive rights is that they assume that a person would want to live a particular way of life as dictated to them by the state. For example, the fact that YOU want UHC does not mean that everyone does, no matter how beneficial you think it would be, but your goal of making UHC a right requires that everyone have it whether they want it or not, hence violating one or more of that person's inherent rights.

See how this works?

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: senseamp
It's disgusting political market manipulation with borrowed money to delay the pain until after the election year. Democrats disappoint me. You'd expect this sort of stunt from the GOP, which has been borrowing money like it's free for ages, but Democrats? Ugh.

You see Democrats and Republicans, I see politicians and thats it. all with the exact same agendas

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Vic

See how this works?

I think can answer that for senseamp: "No. Hillary. Neocons. Hillary. I hate black people."

 

[hellokeith]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Well, I paid way more taxes than you, and under this plan I won't get any rebate because I make more than 75K. Ridiculous.

I thought you were all in favor of socialist robin hood policies?

 

[smashp]

Not a big deal guys,

I mean $600 dollars they decide to give out now is only going to be worth like $472 once the checks are passed out in June

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: senseamp
It's disgusting political market manipulation with borrowed money to delay the pain until after the election year. Democrats disappoint me. You'd expect this sort of stunt from the GOP, which has been borrowing money like it's free for ages, but Democrats? Ugh.

You see Democrats and Republicans, I see politicians and thats it. all with the exact same agendas

QFT. This giveway program seems to come up with distressing regularity nearly every election cycle.

Putting $300-1200 cash in the hands of low income people who will spend it immediately WILL stimulate the economy, but its like a sugar high when we really need fundamental corrections. Both politcal parties are shamming us.

 

[StageLeft]

Sorry to burst it, but the numbers in the first post are not congruous with what I'm reading elsewhere, which is that we'll get $300 PER PERSON, not $600; i.e. single person gets $300, couple gets $600, $300 per kid with two limit, so a maximum of $1200.

http://www.breitbart.com/artic...UCAOTO0&show_article=1

However, I don't know if there is a set or a sliding scale on the amount, so maybe it can go to $600/person.