Stop pushing ASIII!!!!

[DAPUNISHER]

Everytime a n00b post about thermal compound or replacing the stock pad on a cooler someone invariably jumps in with "get some ASIII" ASIII is TEH sux0r0Z!!!! messy, nasty, difficult for n00bs to learn the proper use of and not use too much which then begins their vicious cycle of having to remove that nasty crap and try again potentially getting some on bridges and frying their chip (yes, it has evidently happened according to posts on every message board I got to) The CoolerMaster Premium is Shin-etsu and you can get it for $5@eXcaliber or buy AS Ceramique, both are superior to ASIII. The time has come to leave the silver based crap behind and move on people BTW, the CoolerMaster and Shin-etsu only requires a lint free cloth to remove , haven't used Ceramique yet so I won't comment further on it.

*Disclaimer*: I'm not really angry or ranting but it seems those are the posts everyone reads.....the ones with drama in 'em

***I intentionally presented this thread in a very caustic manner, I eluded to this in the first post and explained my reasons for it further on. I do not care if you agree, disagree, or are impartial, the intent was to get it high exposure for those who could benefit from hearing of a compound besides ASIII I have received several PM's already from peopl asking questions about Shin-etsu and Ceramique hence the purpose this is here for helping those who need it! is being served

 

[Budman]

Hey if you dont like it dont use it.

it's very easy to install,it's when you put too much that's when it gets messy.

follow these instructions & you will have no fuss no mess. http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Budman
Hey if you dont like it dont use it.

it's very easy to install,it's when you put too much that's when it gets messy.

follow these instructions & you will have no fuss no mess. http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm

IRnoN00b
BTW, I don't use it

 

[Budman]

Then why should it bother you that other people use it?

Yes people recommend it a lot & for good reason.

In my opinion it's the best out there,that's why people recommend it,if people cant install it properly it's their fault not the products fault.

With a little care & reading the intructions it's very easy to install & works very well.

 

[Duvie]

Can us non-noobs still use it!!!! (as he cowers under the desk)

Hey good info!! I think the over usage and getting on the bridges is more of an amd thing, right???

 

[beatle]

You'd have to be pretty ham-fisted to get it on the bridges. As "dangerous" as AS3 is, what about heatsinks that don't bolt through the motherboard? Clearly a hazard! You really can't beat the taste of AS3 either.

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: beatle
You'd have to be pretty ham-fisted to get it on the bridges. As "dangerous" as AS3 is, what about heatsinks that don't bolt through the motherboard? Clearly a hazard! You really can't beat the taste of AS3 either.

You need to go read the instruction beatle .

Important Precautions

Don't put it in your mouth.
Don't give it to children or leave it where children can get a hold of it.

Keep it away from pets.

 

[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: Budman

Originally posted by: beatle
You'd have to be pretty ham-fisted to get it on the bridges. As "dangerous" as AS3 is, what about heatsinks that don't bolt through the motherboard? Clearly a hazard! You really can't beat the taste of AS3 either.

You need to go read the instruction beatle .

Important Precautions

Don't put it in your mouth.
Don't give it to children or leave it where children can get a hold of it.

Keep it away from pets.

Anything goes when Ramen is out for the day.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

It is not the best out there in my experience, Shin-Estu dropped temp 1c immediately no "settling in" required compared to several week old ASIII. Ham-fisted? We're talking whole hordes of n00bs here

Yeah bridges is definitely an AMD thing but overusage can negatively affect Intel CPUs too.

1 more point, How many times a month does someone post asking "best way to clean ASIII off CPU?"? If they aren't using too much and getting it off the core then could just wipe it off with a lint free cloth. With the T.I.M.s I mentioned, getting it off isn't an involved task so that is never an issue. I predict they will stop making silver based compound eventually in favor of the others due to less likelyhood of issues arising from said usage. I believe AS started with the Ceramique line because people are tired of the crappy metal based compounds </speculation>

 

[mindless1]

You'd have to do extensive testing under a variety of circumstances to declare that shin-estu (or anything) outperforms ASIII. So far as current testing goes, ASIII always works, it's consistently proven to do a good job from "almost" every review ever done, so it's very easy to recommend. "Very good" is good enough... a 1C temp difference isn't significant enough to worry about it.

As for cleaning, just because you can't SEE the residue the other compounds left behind, doens't mean there isn't any. I agree that ASIII can be a mess, but it IS safe enough to put the processor under a moderate stream of water and use a lil detergent and a paint brush to very thoroughly clean it, providing the bridge-cuts are sealed.

 

[Tom]

Rinsing heavy metals into the river, great idea !!

 

[mindless1]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
Rinsing heavy metals into the river, great idea !!

Please go ahead and tell me you don't put anything into the sewer that's worse than very, very minute traces of silver... Odds are that the chemicals in the food you, uhh, process, are worse.

 

[Tom]

I don't go on public websites advocating doing so, that is my main reason for posting, so people will think about it.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

That's right , be sheep. Extensive testing?

It's my opinion and my personal experience you mindless1 I will recommend CoolerMaster and Ceramique over the metal based garbage, use it but stop peddaling it like a snake oil salesman

 

[DAPUNISHER]

IS safe enough to put the processor under a moderate stream of water and use a lil detergent and a paint brush to very thoroughly clean it

That's hands down the dumbest advice I ever read for removing AS from a CPU. Ask AMD or intel what they think of that idea

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Then why should it bother you that other people use it?

Where did I say it bothered me others use it? I said stop pushing it on others like some damned snake oil saleman or Johova's witness :evil:

 

[Corporate Thug]

damn, DAPUNISHER, i whish you had posted this earlier. had i known the The CoolerMaster Premium was Shin-etsu, i would have bought it over the AS3 i just got

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: shady06
damn, DAPUNISHER, i whish you had posted this earlier. had i known the The CoolerMaster Premium was Shin-etsu, i would have bought it over the AS3 i just got

<OLD G.I. JOE saying> Now you know, and knowing is half the battle

 

[mindless1]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

IS safe enough to put the processor under a moderate stream of water and use a lil detergent and a paint brush to very thoroughly clean it

That's hands down the dumbest advice I ever read for removing AS from a CPU. Ask AMD or intel what they think of that idea

Ask them what they think about overclocking or (especially with AMD) using any 3rd party heatsink compound.

Your limited experince in electronics prevents you from knowing what you're talking about. Similarly, you can't accept that we do actually know what we're talking about when we test products, unlike your "token test" that was such a small sample size that it can be easily ignored... you have insufficient experience to make any judgements in these matters, and that IS dumb.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: mindless1

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

IS safe enough to put the processor under a moderate stream of water and use a lil detergent and a paint brush to very thoroughly clean it

That's hands down the dumbest advice I ever read for removing AS from a CPU. Ask AMD or intel what they think of that idea

Ask them what they think about overclocking or (especially with AMD) using any 3rd party heatsink compound.

Your limited experince in electronics prevents you from knowing what you're talking about. Similarly, you can't accept that we do actually know what we're talking about when we test products, unlike your "token test" that was such a small sample size that it can be easily ignored... you have insufficient experience to make any judgements in these matters, and that IS dumb.

i have thought this 3rd party thermal compound thing through. if applied properly, any compund can be removed without a trace

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Think I've only done it once? you ASSsume too much. And I know enough to know water and CPUs are not good shipmates Now STFU until you know something of me as you do not and therfore are making wild assumptions. Why don't you start a poll and see how many are willing to use water to clean their processors? I will not be doing so and I don't think most others will see it your way either, but I'm willing to to stay opened minded about it. BTW I build a lot of systems every year with AMD and Intel and I believe the 1000's of applications of thermal compound gives me some foundation to comment on them with some insight If you don't agree fine but stop with the personal attacks when you don't even know the person your attacking as it's just the old AD hominem debating tactic of, if I can't effectively attack the point I'll attack the person

and before you even start, I dissed your advise not you

 

[mindless1]

LOL.

Where do I even start, this is a pointless thread to begin with...

"STFU"? It sure does sound like you're being "open minded".

"stop with the personal attacks" is a funny thing for someone to say when they start out with calling something "dumb" before they have any experience or relevant knowledge about it... that goes back to what you wrote "if I can't effectively attack the point I'll attack the person". Well, do you have ANY evidence that cleaning a CPU in the manner I described, with the bridge-cuts sealed, has any negative effect whatsoever?
I fully expect that you'll make something up, because I DO have experience cleaning them, and know it does no harm. Sure there are other things to consider, like eliminating static electricity while handling the CPU, but that's always important, isn't unique to cleaning it. Water will NOT damage it for a few seconds of cleaning. But instead of focusing on the facts, you just call it dumb. It would be more appropriate to write that you are too ignorant to know (this is not a personal attack, the evidence points to you not knowing that a processor is water-resistant, thus ignorance of it).

Whining about [people recommending a product proven to work fine] is a waste of our time.

 

[Cogman]

DAPUSHER, It seams to me the only person that really is attacking, is you. The only proof that you have been able to bring up about how horrible Arctic silver is, is the fact that in some tests it does not preform as well as Shin-etsu, I saw that test, and I have to admit that ASIII was beaten, HOWEVER it did come in second place. As a n00b I have used ASIII and I found that it was really not that hard to install on a CPU. Silver componds are going to be here for a long time until sombody invents a synthetic dimond compound (that would be great).

BTW it is completly safe to wash a cpu in water. The only catch is you must wait until the CPU is completly dry before using. The only resion you get burnt out cpus when water gets on the is because it conducts electricity through the water and across the gap. (Did you know that you can put a keyboard in the dish washer?). Scrubbing a CPU may not be the best Idea, but I belive you can do it to some extent. (intel CPUs are especially able to be scrubbed and washed in water). As for me, we have a big bottle of Rubbing Alcohol that does nicly in remove ASIII

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I didn't call you dumb, I said it was dumb advise there is a difference. I said STFU attacking me personally so yes I'm still opne minded about the water and CPU issue, where's the poll? Who's whining? I made a bold and evidently controversial proclamation that I demanded in a quasi-fecetious manner intended to create "drama" quote unquote. I still think it's dumb advice if for no other reason than there are ckearly better methods than using running water on a CPU to get T.I.M. off and if you didn't use metal based compounds you'd soon discover there's really no need to get every last vestige off as reapplying them after a previous application of the same compound doen't affect temps a single degree centigrade * based on numerous applications of said compound* Finally, you stated

because I DO have experience cleaning them, and know it does no harm

Now that is the same angle you used to attack my assertion about Shin-etsu out performing AS that it was only my experience and wasn't extensive testing. Could you show extensive testing for your assertion that you can put a CPU in water and it not be affected beyond personal experience? if not, pot meet kettle

Please research my post and see how many flame wars I've been involved in and how often I "make something up" That is just more personal attacking and does little to strenghten your argument. I for one am willing to say I am ignorant of the effects of water on the CPU as I've always read to not even use Isoproply that's not almost pure as the lower percentage versions have too much water in them to be safe and effective and the idea simply seems unnecessary at the very least IMO . Furthermore, I appologize if I've offended you personally by my intentionally caustic remarks though not directed at you personally. I will however maintain there are better alternatives to metal based compounds based on my considerable experience in the practical application of them.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Cogman, I've applied many applications of both Snin-etsu and ASIII now to CPUs, chipsets, and GPUs and my experience is that the shin-etsu is a superior product overall and easier to work with and less likely to cause harm. I further submit that most of you have never tried the shin-etsu most by their own addmission, and are therefore not qualified to refute my assertions based on anything solid. PLease read the first post again with the disclaimer concerning drama as you seem to be missing the point of this thread