Stop pushing ASIII!!!!

[DAPUNISHER]

KF, as always your posts are very enlightening, thank you :beer:

 

[bootoo]

DANG, I'm probably one of the noob cooling folks being discussed! I can't remember if it was here on in another forum though. I ended up buying ceramique only because I heard endless problems of as3 glopped over on various bridges, but why would you glop when you only need a paper thin layer? Anyway I agree us noobs ask stupid questions, but also folks with a zillion posts tell us - as3 - it's your final solution. (Not really on this forum though, I recollect).

Sorry but it's the cooling experts who dangle as3 over us as the ultimate. Sorry this is a bad thread on both sides but as a noob I can see both sides

- it's annoying to hear it as the ultimate answer again and again

- it's annoying to hear whining that it was not the answer

I've learned a lot from you folks and other forums, thanks for all your help, this obviously had to be said but don't get too twisted in bad anatomical places about it - it's a little tube....

 

[Abhoth]

Noob smoob boob... Really hate the 'noob' terminology. We were all the freak there, and as quickly as the industry moves we'll be there again won't we?
I use ASIII, that's what I use. I'll tell folks that, is it a recommendation? Not really, I just use it. It's quality and does the job. Just like others do.
Hard to clean? Shorting your CPU? No experience here with either, haven't shorted any bridges at least.
I compare the HSF / paste / CPU mounting process to a surgical procedure. Alcohol and Q-tips (cotton swabs) for cleaning, if it's sticky stuff try WD-40 then alcohol. But the actual application always was a pain... until I came across the surgical finger glove! Long story short... got these from a vet as we had to apply a topical to the cat's ear blah blah....... a surgical glove, but just for your finger. Very sterile, very cool. Place the prescribed daub of paste on the core and dab the glob of goo lightly spreading it onto the core. If too much put on another finger glove and repeat as the paste sticks to the glove thus removing a bit blah blah blah. Neat tidy and clean.
If your application does get a bit sloppy, gently clean excess off the chip and bridges area with alcohol and Q-tips... foam swabs work well too without the lint that may occur with cotton so take your pick. Just be clean about it eh?
As far as lapping, well it's good thing to have flat. But flat is only relative to the surface that it's mating with now isn't it? The 'flatness' of the core is affected by the level of the socket and the PCB it's mounted on so variations do exist. Mounting method, clip or bolt-on, can really hose it all up. Bolt on is my preference as you can mate the HSF to the core vertically with four corners pressure to provide the 'seal' as such. Clips mount poorly, I use them, as long as they use all six lugs. But they still wiggle around don't they? Bolt on wins.
And it's late now and I have a house to paint tomorrow! So enough rambling but will check back later.

 

[cow123]

jesus christ dapunisher, go back to counter-strike or whatever where you can call anyone you like a n00b for not knowing how to play (or in this case know how to apply a bit of thermal paste)

newbie is fine but when you go out of your way to add the "1337" numbers to it, it just makes me want to ignore anything you have to say.

i think anyone can use whatever the hell they want, you warding them away from a particular product just because you personally don't like it makes me think you're turning into a bit of a "fanboi"

 

[Jeff7181]

I use AS3 because it's easy to use (if you have an IQ above 7)
The PCM pads that come on retails heatsinks are an absolute pain in the ass to clean off once they've been installed and the computer has been run. I had an old crappy heatsink that I didn't care about one time, and it had that crap stuck all over it... so I took a cigarette lighter to heat up the base of the heatsink to melt that wax so I could wipe it off... worked very well... and you'd be surprised how cool the heatsink stayed even with a flame heating it! That tells ya something about how much heat a processor generates =)

 

[pspada]

When I need to replace the stock thermal pad, I use this cheap white crap I got at Fry's. Never had a CPU overheat, never had any problems with it. I think it's called AS -3 (that's AS "minus" 3)

 

[THUGSROOK]

Arctic Silver rules

the new ceramic stuff is pretty good too.

 

[mechBgon]

Where can we buy some actual Shin-Etsu-branded Shin-Etsu? The precise stuff that AMD recommends by model number? I'd entertain the idea of trying some.

My usual reason for recommending one of the Arctic Silver greases (AS3 or Alumina) isn't strictly performance... it's longevity. People who aren't overclocking are still better off with too much AS3 than if they're trying to re-use a used-up phase-change thermal patch, and two years from now, the AS3 is probably still going to be getting the job done. El-cheapo thermal grease...? Who knows And people who are overclocking are probably going to be reapplying the thermal compound at least once a year due to upgrades.

 

[NicColt]

I strongly agree that you don't need AS3 .... when AS2 will still do a pretty decent job

 

[bgeh]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Where can we buy some actual Shin-Etsu-branded Shin-Etsu? The precise stuff that AMD recommends by model number? I'd entertain the idea of trying some.

My usual reason for recommending one of the Arctic Silver greases (AS3 or Alumina) isn't strictly performance... it's longevity. People who aren't overclocking are still better off with too much AS3 than if they're trying to re-use a used-up phase-change thermal patch, and two years from now, the AS3 is probably still going to be getting the job done. El-cheapo thermal grease...? Who knows And people who are overclocking are probably going to be reapplying the thermal compound at least once a year due to upgrades.

true, just like what i thought. the majority of people use processors for 2 years, which probably the el cheapo or yum cha(drink tea in chinese) greases will dry out and cause temperature to shoot above allowed levels. i've used as3 on my old 1700+ palo since January 2002 and when i opened it up to reapply, it looked like new still, except for a small colour change to somewhat grey

 

[pelikan]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Where can we buy some actual Shin-Etsu-branded Shin-Etsu? The precise stuff that AMD recommends by model number? I'd entertain the idea of trying some.

Here's some Shim Etsu G751. This is the model that has gotten rave reviews. I don't know which one AMD recommends.

I didn't realize that the AS3 topic is almost as volatile as AMD vs. Intel, or ATI vs. Nvidia.

 

[Jojo1971]

ah as3 vs other compound again..

 

[Lonyo]

DAPUNISHER just said people should stop pushing AS3, because there are other, easier to use (in his opinion) things out there. I don't see why people ae so obsessed. It's a valid point.

It's like someone saying "Stop telling people to buy GF4 Ti4200's because there are other cards out there that aren't too bad and are cheaper/better performing".
Or saying "Don't tell everyone on a budget to buy AMD because the lower end P4's aren't all that much"

There's nothing really to argue.

 

[BDSM]

Hey Dapu.. The CoolerMaster Premium isn't Shin Etsu. It's only part Shin Etsu!

Check this review out: linky


You are forgetting one thing.. Something VERY important! And that is availability!
You can get AS3 in about every computer store in the world today. Whilst Shin Etsu.. well. nonono.. It isn't available at all here in Sweden yet. Only a few stores in Europe keep it!

So.. It's not really strangde at all that most ppl don't use Shin Etsu. I want it myself but I am NOT gonna pay 20 bucks shipping plus taxes just to get 1 gram of it!



Anyway.. there is a place in Norway that sells Shin Etsu.. but it is a different variety called "Shin Etsu X-23-7762"

Anyone know anything about this? linky

They say it's never than the 751.. no review on the net yet.

 

[Doh!]

I use a product called Cooling Flow which is just as effective as AS3 but easier to apply (not that AS3 requires a brain surgeon to apply it). I've heard that it was developed by a university professor who loves overclocking.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Shin Etsu look really good but $6 for a gram? i got 3g of AS3 for $5

 

[DAPUNISHER]

LOL, this thread is still here? :Q I was just using the Pavlov effect to expose people who are only familiar with Arctic Silver 1-3 to other compounds that work well and can be easier to work with, in particular the inexperienced DIYer. I'm somewhat dismayed by how many responses failed to even account for my disclaimer and further post indicating my position on the topic was not what I protrayed it as initially but rather was to inspire the "Drama" that tend to get many more thread views than conservatively composed topics. As to those who were obviously offended by my remarks or failed to understand the essence of the tactic I employed I can only respond by saying this, Please do a search on me and you will discover I almost never become involved in flame wars and that the vast majority of my post are made for the sole purpose of assisting someone with hardware or software issues. Given that this thread is very uncharateristic for me I incorrectly presumed most would percieve my disingenuousness. However, my hypothesis that If I attacked a product that is venerated by computer enthusiasts who have a penchant for brand loyalty it would recieve an equal and opposite reaction was spot on Shhhh, you can here the bell ringing :evil:

 

[WarCon]

Was wondering about something I heard about Shin Etsu. I heard its a real pain to apply and you end up using much more than you need to get a good application. Is this true? Anyone use it that can comment?

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: WarCon
Was wondering about something I heard about Shin Etsu. I heard its a real pain to apply and you end up using much more than you need to get a good application. Is this true? Anyone use it that can comment?

i'm not sure but i heard you have to heat it up or something

 

[WarCon]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
LOL, this thread is still here? :Q I was just using the Pavlov effect to expose people who are only familiar with Arctic Silver 1-3 to other compounds that work well and can be easier to work with, in particular the inexperienced DYIer. I'm somewhat dismayed by how many responses failed to even account for my disclaimer and further post indicating my position on the topic was not what I protrayed it as initially but rather was to inspire the "Drama" that tend to get many more thread views than conservatively composed topics. As to those who were obviously offended by my remarks or failed to understand the essence of the tactic I employed I can only respond by saying this, Please do a search on me and you will discover I almost never become involved in flame wars and that the vast majority of my post are made for the sole purpose of assisting someone with hardware or software issues. Given that this thread is very uncharateristic for me I incorrectly presumed most would percieve my disingenuousness. However, my hypothesis that If I attacked a product that is venerated by computer enthusiasts who have a penchant for brand loyalty it would recieve an equal and opposite reaction was spot on Shhhh, you can here the bell ringing :evil:

Save the drama for your mama......... J/K (Old saying)

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I actually prefer the CoolerMaster Premium which so far has shown to cool as effectively as AS for me. Shin-Etsu is much more difficult to apply than AS and is not an economical solution for those who frequently apply thermal compound. The CoolerMaster however is a 1.6g tube for 5$ and is a good value IMO. AS KF pointed out, just about anything can cool well it's a matter of longevity and the CoolerMaster and Shin-etsu have that. I am personally looking forward to trying Ceramique next as I've heard nothing but good things about it and the price is very good. I try not to allow site that are given product to evaluate the last word in my purchasing decision because like many of you I build many systems and swap CPUs frequently so there is ample opportunity for personally evaluating a product with the particular enviromental conditions I will be using it in, and not the reviewers which can drastically vary from my own.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Anandtech forums......We know Drama!

 

[WarCon]

So the coolmaster spreads like normal thermal compound?

P.S. I will be getting a chance to try some Ceramique soon and am looking forward to it. I have used the Alumina before but it doesn't work quite as well as AS3, but is about the same as AS2.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The CoolerMaster is also more difficult to spread than AS if that's what you consider normal compound but I've found the same technique of using my finger with plastic wrap over it and the plastic card they provide with the CoolerMaster are sufficent to the task and that once you've done it once and see the amount you need there's very little waste. I had a far rougher time with Shin-Etsu when trying to limit waste. I think from what I've read that the Ceramique is the happy medium that's going to continue to gain momentum as people finally break away from their entrenched behavorial pattern since change is the only constant

 

[pspada]

Originally posted by: Doh!
I use a product called Cooling Flow which is just as effective as AS3 but easier to apply (not that AS3 requires a brain surgeon to apply it). I've heard that it was developed by a university professor who loves overclocking.

Actually, the original purpose was different. He had bad hemorrhoids as well as constipation, thus the name.