Stop saying Islam is a religion of peace: Taslima Nasreen

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Roflmouth

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I'm referring to how your sort think of them. Even your peers typically understand this, which provides some perspective on where you fit into things.

Yet you're the only one using a racist pejorative. How embarrassing for you.
 

agent00f

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Yet you're the only one using a racist pejorative. How embarrassing for you.

I'm simply referencing what's evidently too embarrassing for you to say out loud. Think of it as a public service for your sake.

In any case, the more honest racists here do speak their mind, which is admirable in a way you're not.
 

Roflmouth

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I'm simply referencing what's evidently too embarrassing for you to say out loud. Think of it as a public service for your sake.

In any case, the more honest racists here do speak their mind, which is admirable in a way you're not.

No, you're "simply" using racist epithets to refer to blacks, on more than one occasion. I appreciate your attempts to read my mind, but I don't take services from bigots. Better luck next time
 

agent00f

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No, you're "simply" using racist epithets to refer to blacks, on more than one occasion. I appreciate your attempts to read my mind, but I don't take services from bigots. Better luck next time

Just because you don't read well doesn't mean much. This is a common pattern to your mindset. You don't talk to women so it's easy to disparage them, don't talk to minorities much thus associate/identify with the additional ring wing sorts above, and don't talk to people with decent english skills which explains this.
 

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Well, you really are hopeless. You are either a Jihadist yourself, a Dhimmi, or politically correct, which might be even worse. But I understand the danger, because I am a true liberal thinker, and my brain tells me: Islam is the problem, and nothing else. Just like many other liberal thinkers who had the misfortune of being born in an Islamic country told us many times before in history.

Appeasing Islam won't help you, it will only make you submit even sooner. The only way to fight this is to crush this ideology, and help the good people that are born into it to escape from it. You can not do that by denying the root cause of the problem. Just like we could not destroy Nazism by denying that Nazism was the problem. And you can certainly not do that by putting the blame on yourself and denying the virtues of Western Civilization. The best way to save good Muslim people is to give them an alternative to their dark prophet, and turn them to a prophet of light, one they already know, but not well enough.

Yes, you will have to give up essential liberties to save those liberties. Because Islam hates those liberties and will destroy them.

Regarding the bolded, I hope you mean science. I agree with everything else you wrote.
 

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I suppose it's possible after a rather long history of errors the supremacists are right this time, and you just happened to join at exactly the perfect moment for them to shine. Seems rather unlikely though given islam's been around for a while, and this is just the next ethnic group in line for their usual shtick. You might have better luck with the Anti-Science Society; hear they're have this new climate thing going on after flat-earth and creationism didn't go as planned.

Supremacists? Are you talking about white supremacists? If so why not say so?

Anyway this is not about racism. It's about an ideology. You do understand the difference right? It's not racist to speak out about Islam. It's not the same thing to attack ideas as it is to attack a people.
 

SmilingBhudda

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Regarding the bolded, I hope you mean science. I agree with everything else you wrote.

Nope. Or rather, it depends. Some smart muslims become atheists and know modern science to be true. Many others are so brainwashed by their religion that it needs to be one step at a time, first Christianity, then science. Like the West did. This guy made the first step:


Muslims don't believe Jesus was crucified, he just went straight to heaven. that's what I meant by saying 'not well enough'. In the meantime, don't let anymore into your country. Too many there already.
 

agent00f

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Supremacists? Are you talking about white supremacists? If so why not say so?

Anyway this is not about racism. It's about an ideology. You do understand the difference right? It's not racist to speak out about Islam. It's not the same thing to attack ideas as it is to attack a people.

Sure, just like Mexico is not a race.
 

SmilingBhudda

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How do you figure someone who just parrots right wing nationalist revisionism is in any position to explain anything? These are the same people who used this same process to blame the jews for everything, and are evidently too stupid & ignorant to recognize even recent history repeating itself. This is a serious question.



The nazis were right wing nationalists looking to blame their social ills on foreign looking elements while assert their own superiority, it's just what they do. Similar to the ISIL types and your friends. Not all germans or all muslims are of that type, just the folks like yourself.

Education really has gone down the drain I see. Nazi's blamed the Jews for making Germany lose WW1, you know, that war Hitler fought in and lost? After Germany lost the war the allied victors made unreasonable repair demands in the treaty of Versailles, destroying Germanies economy and causing hyper-inflation, which led to chaos and fascists and communists fighting in the streets. Hitler promised to end that and got 30% of the votes. Then he enscenated a communist coup d'etat and grabbed power himself. That doesn't mean that the Arian race is genetically superior or that there was a Jewish conspiracy, although the Nazi's ofcourse claimed that.

And yes, that is the problem with Europe and Germany especially. They are so afraid of being called Nazi's because of what happened in WW2 that they are letting Islam destroy their own countries and in an ironic twist the Jewish people too. It will take some time, but at this rate Europe will be an islamic continent this century. Unless some very impopular measures are taken. Like birth control and mass deportations, or at the very least a mass surveillance police state, which might actually be another conspiracy behind a conspiracy. Also, remember that Bedouin motto, with the brothers and the cousins against the stranger?

And no, I don't want to kill homosexuals, disabled people, gipsies and Jews, nor any people of what color whatsoever. I want to remove Islam from Europe and let muslim people live in musllim countries and keep them there. Anyway here is some left wing revisionist history:


Love the happy upbeat voice over those horrible images.
 
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agent00f

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Education really has gone down the drain I see. Nazi's blamed the Jews for making Germany lose WW1, you know, that war Hitler fought in and lost? After Germany lost the war the allied victors made unreasonable repair demands in the treaty of Versailles, destroying Germanies economy and causing hyper-inflation, which led to chaos and fascists and communists fighting in the streets. Hitler promised to end that and got 30% of the votes. Then he enscenated a communist coup d'etat and grabbed power himself. That doesn't mean that the Arian race is genetically superior or that there was a Jewish conspiracy, although the Nazi's ofcourse claimed that.

And yes, that is the problem with Europe and Germany especially. They are so afraid of being called Nazi's because of what happened in WW2 that they are letting Islam destroy their own countries and in an ironic twist the Jewish people too. It will take some time, but at this rate Europe will be an islamic continent this century. Unless some very impopular measures are taken. Like birth control and mass deportations, or at the very least a mass surveillance police state, which might actually be another conspiracy behind a conspiracy. Also, remember that Bedouin motto, with the brothers and the cousins against the stranger?

And no, I don't want to kill homosexuals, disabled people, gipsies and Jews, nor any people of what color whatsoever. I want to remove Islam from Europe and let muslim people live in musllim countries and keep them there. Anyway here is some left wing revisionist history:


Love the happy upbeat voice over those horrible images.

So when the nazi right wing nationalists blame the jews for the downfall of civilization, they were wrong. But now the neo-nazi right wing nationalists blame muslims for the same, they're right. Which is strange, because if anything these groups have only lost any semblance of intellect as people with much of a brain left, which is generally correlated with being even more comically wrong.
 
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SmilingBhudda

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Yes, they are right this time, because the Muslimbrotherhood actually is conspiring against the West, openly stating their goals, and why they are conspiring: because democracy and everything else that the infidels invented is haram and will cause muslims to go to hell. Sounds a bit absurd, I agree, but they actually believe this. Unless you think Hassan al-Banna and Sayyid Qutb are zionist cia agents.

And I don't like neo-nazis associating with anti-islam and anti-immigration parties, because they are idiots and harmful to the goals these parties are pursuing.

Ontopic:

 
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agent00f

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Yes, they are right this time, because the Muslimbrotherhood actually is conspiring against the West, openly stating their goals, and why they are conspiring: because democracy and everything else that the infidels invented is haram and will cause muslims to go to hell. Sounds a bit absurd, I agree, but they actually believe this. Unless you think Hassan al-Banna and Sayyid Qutb are zionist cia agents.

And I don't like neo-nazis associating with anti-islam and anti-immigration parties, because they are idiots and harmful to the goals these parties are pursuing.

Ontopic:


The neo-nazis are writing what you parrot, same with the klan for the alt-right types in the US. The ISIS types are similarly their muslim counterparts as mentioned previously, which is why it's always comical when you try to quote the smarter muslims criticizing those elements of their society.

Nope. Extreme left-wing. Like yourself?

I realize you're confused because you don't know much about history, or anything else for that matter. The nazis were a right wing party, which is why they fought the communists domestically and across europe, and crushed socialist unions & other leftist orgs after gaining power. Even SmilingBuhdda accidentally gets this right because leftist is the last thing their successors want to be associated with. In the US, the klan and neo-nazis are largely on the same page, and they're certainly no socialists/commies.

Hitler was sent as a spy by the german military to investigate & disrupt a worker's party in 1920 or so, and he gradually coopted the org to be the nazis. You can google Hitler maxism to find out what he had to say about leftists, but I presume actually learning something is antithetical to what you do.
 

Vic

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Nope. Extreme left-wing. Like yourself?
Sounds just like Trump IMO. Protecting the "real" American/German workers from the competition inherent to free market capitalism. Which is right wing ideology by literal definition, wherein certain groups receive more government protection and entitlement by basis of political, religious, and/or social affiliation or status.

Anyway, the problem here is that you're confused about what the actual differences are between right wing and left wing. You should look up the origin and history of the terms.
 

Vic

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Yaknow, it just never ceases to amaze me how anyone can describe one of the most inegalitarian dictators of all time as left wing. I guess some people actually believe that they can make up for sleeping through every history and civics class by listening to talk radio and reading propaganda sites.
 

bshole

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Yaknow, it just never ceases to amaze me how anyone can describe one of the most inegalitarian dictators of all time as left wing. I guess some people actually believe that they can make up for sleeping through every history and civics class by listening to talk radio and reading propaganda sites.

Well he did do some socialist things like create the first freeway. I consider the freeway to be a socialist thing. Just because Hitler did socialist things doesn't mean that those socialist things were bad. You judge an action by the effects of the action NOT WHO DID THE ACTION.
 

Vic

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Well he did do some socialist things like create the first freeway. I consider the freeway to be a socialist thing. Just because Hitler did socialist things doesn't mean that those socialist things were bad. You judge an action by the effects of the action NOT WHO DID THE ACTION.

Socialism/capitalism is not the defining difference between the left/right wings, but egalitarianism or liberalism vs tribalism, monarchy, aristocracy, or some other form of accepted social inequality, like natural law.
Case in point: were Hitler's socialist freeways for the benefit of all Germans, or were some Germans not excluded?
 
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bshole

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Socialism/capitalism is not the defining difference between the left/right wings, but egalitarianism or liberalism vs tribalism, monarchy, aristocracy, or some other form of accepted social inequality, like natural law.
Case in point: were Hitler's socialist freeways for the benefit of all Germans, or were some Germans not excluded?

It is kind of complicated isn't it? At least I find it so. Socialism is considered a great moral evil by conservatives in America. They love to use that label as a pejorative. I think that they would disagree with you. I don't necessarily disagree but I am not entirely competent to take a strong stand. From my perspective, each individual has range of views that could be considered conservative or liberal or socialist, etc... I know that I struggle mightily with disliking out-groups. It is partly evolution and partly my upbringing. I do not know if it is age thing but my kids are much much more tolerant than myself. I have tried my damnedest not to prejudice their minds with my biases.

It is interesting to me when I do cast stones at out-groups with what I think are rational logical data and arguments. Am I right even with my bias or I am I wrong because of my bias? Am I completely incapable of making a judgement that has any moral objectivity because of my bias? I am firmly convinced that my bias makes me a less moral person. For example, I consider Perknose and Zin to be far more moral than myself. They appear to have removed the bias entirely.
 
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agent00f

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Well he did do some socialist things like create the first freeway. I consider the freeway to be a socialist thing. Just because Hitler did socialist things doesn't mean that those socialist things were bad. You judge an action by the effects of the action NOT WHO DID THE ACTION.

Socialism doesn't mean "government doing something" no matter how much american conservatives don't understand words. Calling hitler socialist is like calling North Korean democratic because it's also in their name.
 
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Zaap

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Nope. Extreme left-wing. Like yourself?


That quote is actually from Gregor Strasser.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Strasser

Hitler had him killed in 1934.

Hitler and the Nazis weren't left wingers- they did adopt elements of state socialism though- socialism ISN'T strictly the benevolent lovey-dovey thing it's made out to be (mostly by westerners), it's simply a political system that can be adopted by brutal regimes and democratic ones alike. There has never, by the way, been a true communist system, merely communist ruling parties in regimes with totalitarian state-socialist political systems. True communists believe socialism is merely a logical stepping stone to communism, but no one has ever gotten there.

At the fringe extremes, the left and right aren't really much different from each other, unless one wants to argue somehow it's better to be sent to your death in a gulag for the wrong speech vs. a concentration camp for being of the wrong ethnic group or religion. Of course, if going by sheer death-count and amount of destruction- the far left wins by orders of magnitude.
 

agent00f

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That quote is actually from Gregor Strasser.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Strasser

Hitler had him killed in 1934.

Hitler and the Nazis weren't left wingers- they did adopt elements of state socialism though- socialism ISN'T strictly the benevolent lovey-dovey thing it's made out to be (mostly by westerners), it's simply a political system that can be adopted by brutal regimes and democratic ones alike. There has never, by the way, been a true communist system, merely communist ruling parties in regimes with totalitarian state-socialist political systems. True communists believe socialism is merely a logical stepping stone to communism, but no one has ever gotten there.
Socialism is an economic system. Everything else is just political rhetoric.

At the fringe extremes, the left and right aren't really much different from each other, unless one wants to argue somehow it's better to be sent to your death in a gulag for the wrong speech vs. a concentration camp for being of the wrong ethnic group or religion. Of course, if going by sheer death-count and amount of destruction- the far left wins by orders of magnitude.

WWII was started by the aforementioned right wing nationalists.
 

SmilingBhudda

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The neo-nazis are writing what you parrot, same with the klan for the alt-right types in the US. The ISIS types are similarly their muslim counterparts as mentioned previously, which is why it's always comical when you try to quote the smarter muslims criticizing those elements of their society.



I realize you're confused because you don't know much about history, or anything else for that matter. The nazis were a right wing party, which is why they fought the communists domestically and across europe, and crushed socialist unions & other leftist orgs after gaining power. Even SmilingBuhdda accidentally gets this right because leftist is the last thing their successors want to be associated with. In the US, the klan and neo-nazis are largely on the same page, and they're certainly no socialists/commies.

Hitler was sent as a spy by the german military to investigate & disrupt a worker's party in 1920 or so, and he gradually coopted the org to be the nazis. You can google Hitler maxism to find out what he had to say about leftists, but I presume actually learning something is antithetical to what you do.

Nazi's were right and left, just like communists were right and left. Communists killed more people than Nazi's did, so complain about them a bit too if you want justice to prevail. Anyway, remember that Bedouin motto "I against my brother, my brother and I against my cousin, and my cousin and I against the stranger."?

Now Abraham had two sons, so if you want to hear some real right wing conspiracy theory:


Yes, he used to be in the KKK.

Ontopic: another fine example of muslim integration, but it's all because 'we don't give them a chance':


Isn't it horrible how these white supremacists are complaining?
 
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