Stop saying Islam is a religion of peace: Taslima Nasreen

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agent00f

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If you're honestly trying to "white guilt" me, give it up. I have none. Besides, the koran was written before European colonialism. And no, my ancestors didn't write the koran just to fuck with of Arabs. Stop trying to pass the horrors of islam off as something we created.

It's well established that innate criminal types have little remorse or guilt for their actions, so there's little need to reinforce the obvious.

Freedom of speech, separation of religion from state, human rights, civil rights, rule of law, and many more rights is the foundation that enabled the west to become great and move forward and that includes having to respect the free speech rights of those you disagree with,

likewise the absence or disregard for these rights in countries that refuse to separate their religion from state is what holds them back, along with the billions of petrodollars used to promote the intolerant Islam as the correct one.

And as long as radical Islamists have billions at their disposal to build mosques in Western countries to keep those Muslims and refugees from straying into secularism, or groups like ISIS to promote and establish their form of Islam worldwide you will never see any progress like in the west when they threw off the shackles of religion, no matter how much the "head in the sand" apologists like to claim.

Sure, human and civil rights do make the west great, except that your ilk are the ones on the wrong side of those rights, whether against the natives, blacks, chinese, now muslims, etc.

You're literally taking credit for ideals that you were defeated on by better men who exemplify those virtues. You represent the white ISIS part of the west, and as a society we've only improved by increasingly marginalizing that sort.

Similarly, muslim/oriental societies will get more progressive as they do the same, and it would help if we didn't keep toppling their secular government. Again to be clear, the better men of the west have more in common with the better men there, than either do with you or ISIS.
 

agent00f

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Oh, I spotted additional problem with your thought process now, it's all cleared...

Just a heads up that other people here can't see inside your head, particularly if it's the kind of mind that doesn't make sense. Take mom's advice and use your words.
 

SSSnail

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Just a heads up that other people here can't see inside your head, particularly if it's the kind of mind that doesn't make sense. Take mom's advice and use your words.
You're not good at drawing relationships and conjectures, even after I've highlighted the part where it shows what really influence your thinking. Talking about one track mind!

It's really tiresome having to explain everything in a conversation, worse than talking to children, at least they have their excuses. I have neither the time nor patience for you.

This is more than I actually wanted to waste words on you, but, just know that if I don't respond to your next idiotic retort, it's because I don't care to.
 

AnonymouseUser

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It's well established that innate criminal types have little remorse or guilt for their actions, so there's little need to reinforce the obvious.

Again with the projection.

Considered heretical devil worshippers by many Muslims—including the advancing militants overrunning Iraq—the Yazidis have faced the possibility of genocide many times over.

The Sunni extremists view the Yazidis as barely human.

Here's some more "propaganda," but I'm telling you up front so you won't waste your time.

CENSORED: YouTube Uses Anti-ISIS Policy to Pull CounterJihad Video. Watch it here.
Don't care. No interest in checking out anything you might link.

It wasn't for you, it was for those with critical thinking skills.
 
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nickqt

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and before that the middle east messed with the west.

While history plays some part of what is going on today. you fail to acknowledge that the west has evolved, while ISLAM and the middle east are stuck in the past.

Judge the ISLAM and the middle east on its actions today.

Holy shit are you stupid.
 

agent00f

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You're not good at drawing relationships and conjectures, even after I've highlighted the part where it shows what really influence your thinking. Talking about one track mind!

It's really tiresome having to explain everything in a conversation, worse than talking to children, at least they have their excuses. I have neither the time nor patience for you.

This is more than I actually wanted to waste words on you, but, just know that if I don't respond to your next idiotic retort, it's because I don't care to.

To be perfectly clear, a capable person can often get away with some showmanship over underlying ability, like Ali calling himself the greatest. Sometimes a dummy sees that veneer and think mimicking the lines & mouthing off in general will product the same results for themselves, which it won't because they'll never figure out what core substance means. Their shallow thinking is what makes them dumb.

Notice I still held out hope that you could understand this; but regrettably that optimism will remain unrewarded.

Again with the projection.

Just because other criminals exist in the world doesn't mean you're innocent. Imagine how dumb a criminal would have to be to argue that in court: "your honor, I didn't do nothing because these other guys just like me are terrible".
 
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AnonymouseUser

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Just because other criminals exist in the world doesn't mean you're innocent. Imagine how dumb a criminal would have to be to argue that in court: "your honor, I didn't do nothing because these other guys just like me are terrible".

You're right, that would be dumb. I would stop right here: "your honor, I didn't do nothing anything"
 

raildogg

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I really doubt people do anything without their self interests - with or without Islam in mind. Islam is just a scapegoat for the people committing the violence and for those that criticize Islam for the violence.

It's just an organization that people belong to. That is all. Just like someone happens to be a fan of a particular sports team. Some take it more personally than others. However, I don't think that holding the organization responsible for the actions of people is the way to go. Islam is no more "evil" than your other organized religions. It just so happens to get the press - for the time being. The media will pick a new religion or some other topic down the road.

Due to the media presence, we are seeing so much coverage of all things political, social and everything in between. Yet, in the grand scheme of things, the so-called violence from this "Islamic" terrorism is minuscule. This not to diminish the suffering experienced by the victims. It's just that things are so overblown and dramatized that we lose a sense of reality.

Just live your life. The Islamic boogeyman (if he is real) is not out to get you.

We humans should be far more worried about our thinking and attitudes than something insignificant as this "Islamic" terrorism that's been pushed down by the media and spread by the fear mongers.
 
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TheGardener

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Yet, in the grand scheme of things, the so-called violence from this "Islamic" terrorism is minuscule.

Yes, if you compare it to what Hitler did in the 1930's and 1940's.... well, you still can't call it minuscule. I guess you don't read news or watch TV very much, because they aren't controlled by your sense of censorship.

I guess you are right. So what if hundreds of people are maimed by bombings and shootings every week. So what if hundreds of thousands of people are displaced from their homes. So what if people wonder what is going on, as millions of people with a different culture and sense of what is legal and moral, are coming to their country. And you have to support them as well. It's not fear mongering. It's reality. But please continue to try to convince people to just stick their heads in the sand, and ignore what is happening to their country, safety and culture.
 

raildogg

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You make good points, TheGardener. It is sad - the suffering is there and people are hurting. However, we should realize that pointing fingers at the Islamic boogeyman might not be all to the story.

Ignoring the "news" isn't healthy but one has to realize that the media only covers certain stories and topics. And that only a certain amount of truth is presented. If one realizes that, then there should be no big problem.

Thanks.
 

SSSnail

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To be perfectly clear, blah blah..

To be perfectly cleared, you're an Islam extremist apologist, or an extremist yourself. Was that clear enough for you? Or do I need to spell things out further?

See? Don't need to be wordy with you.
 

AnonymouseUser

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We humans should be far more worried about our thinking and attitudes than something insignificant as this "Islamic" terrorism that's been pushed down by the media and spread by the fear mongers.

The MSM, politicians, and police are doing exactly the opposite, they are whitewashing crimes committed by moslems in all the civilized world.

Shocking cover-up of Muslim violence against women in Germany

The New Observer now reveals a Bild newspaper report that the police are “deliberately covering up … nonwhite criminality” under express orders from their Board of Directors. Police have been told, “Only direct requests from media representatives about such acts should be answered.”

Cover-up of migrant crimes not limited to Cologne – or Germany

The article quoted the Bild on an incident that rivaled the Cologne attack, a serious incident in Bielefeld: “an example of where the police had deliberately covered up nonwhite crime and violence:

“In that case, a local newspaper, relying on eyewitness accounts, reported that more than 500 refugee-criminals had forced their way into a nightclub and sexually assaulted dozens of women.

“The police had refused to issue any reports on the incident, and only confirmed that it had even happened after the local paper, the Westfalen-Blatt, had approached them for comment.”

“It has now emerged that similar sex attacks have occurred in Austria, but police held the information back ‘to protect the privacy of victims,’” reported The Daily Mail, adding that the Salzberg prosecutor said there were ‘multiple complaints about sex attacks.’”

The Left denies Islamic crime on both sides of the Atlantic, with the same motive. Plainly, mass Muslim migration to America is in progress: Since 9/11 Muslim immigration has doubled – 1.6 million have been admitted, through 2013. Immigration from Muslim countries is the fastest growing segment – Conservative Review.

A few examples here in the US:

Muslim refugee charged with raping 10-year-old girl

A 34-year-old Muslim immigrant has been arrested and charged with brutally raping a 10-year-old girl in Minnesota and the local media in Minneapolis has refused to identify the man as a refugee from Somalia.

KSTP 5, an ABC affiliate in Minneapolis, referred to the suspect, Ahmed Hersi Abdi as “A Minneapolis man.” CBS affiliate WCCO 4 used the same description, giving no mention of the man’s background or how he arrived in the U.S.

Idaho Refugee Rape: Obama Justice Official Threatens Americans Who Criticize Migrant Programs

Olson’s statement echoes Attorney General Loretta Lynch’s December 2015 pronouncement to take “aggressive action” against Americans who criticize Muslims with speech that supposedly “edges towards violence.” That threat was made just one day after two Muslims in San Bernardino slaughtered 14 Americans and wounded another 22.

Some lawmakers even want to make it illegal to criticize islam:

HOUSE DEMOCRATS MOVE TO CRIMINALIZE CRITICISM OF ISLAM

December 17, 2015 ought henceforth to be a date which will live in infamy, as that was the day that some of the leading Democrats in the House of Representatives came out in favor of the destruction of the First Amendment. Sponsored by among others, Muslim Congressmen Keith Ellison and Andre Carson, as well as Eleanor Holmes Norton, Loretta Sanchez, Charles Rangel, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Joe Kennedy, Al Green, Judy Chu, Debbie Dingell, Niki Tsongas, John Conyers, José Serrano, Hank Johnson, and many others, House Resolution 569 condemns “violence, bigotry, and hateful rhetoric towards Muslims in the United States.” The Resolution has been referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.

The reality is that the moslem crimes are far worse than what you are hearing from the MSM.
 

agent00f

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To be perfectly cleared, you're an Islam extremist apologist, or an extremist yourself. Was that clear enough for you? Or do I need to spell things out further?

See? Don't need to be wordy with you.

Demonstrating that you're functionally & realistically worse than Islam extremists doesn't make those extremists good, it just make you even worse. Also when someone accuses you of being too simple to grasp this, it's a poor strategy to prove them correct.
 

SSSnail

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Demonstrating that you're functionally & realistically worse than Islam extremists doesn't make those extremists good, it just make you even worse. Also when someone accuses you of being too simple to grasp this, it's a poor strategy to prove them correct.

Can someone translate this for me?
 

agent00f

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The MSM, politicians, and police are doing exactly the opposite, they are whitewashing crimes committed by moslems in all the civilized world.

I mentioned in another that they have to do this because of people like yourself. It's an entirely rational decision on their part because offering what is essentially support for a lynchmob is just going to blow up in their face.

Put another way, your lot is forcing their hand. But as usual bigot types blame problems caused by them on everyone else.
 

AnonymouseUser

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I mentioned in another that they have to do this because of people like yourself. It's an entirely rational decision on their part because offering what is essentially support for a lynchmob is just going to blow up in their face.

Put another way, your lot is forcing their hand. But as usual bigot types blame problems caused by them on everyone else.

Don't forget that these barbarians want to - and are far better off - living around people like me rather than themselves. It really sucks to be such a horrible person that everyone wants to my neighbor. :\
 

agent00f

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Don't forget that these barbarians want to - and are far better off - living around people like me rather than themselves. It really sucks to be such a horrible person that everyone wants to my neighbor. :\

Again, to be clear, the west they desire is due to people like me, not you. The only reason ISIS types in the west are now tolerable is because they've been increasingly striped of their power and gradually marginalized. Wouldn't want to be not white back in the day.

People forget that not 50 years ago, despite a black population of up to ~33% in the south, desegregation could not pass by a vote and had to be forced by the federal government, resulting in a complete realignment of american politics. Similar forces had to stop systemic discrimination in the north. The idea that blacks are inherently deviant persist to this very day, surpassed only recently by mexicans and muslims (ie. arabs).
 
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