Stop saying Islam is a religion of peace: Taslima Nasreen

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Blue_Max

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...and yet...
"Just before Jefferson's inauguration in 1801, Congress passed naval legislation that, among other things, provided for six frigates that 'shall be officered and manned as the President of the United States may direct.' ... In the event of a declaration of war on the United States by the Barbary powers, these ships were to 'protect our commerce and chastise their insolence—by sinking, burning or destroying their ships and vessels wherever you shall find them.'"[26] On Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, Yusuf Karamanli, the Pasha (or Bashaw) of Tripoli, demanded $225,000 (equivalent to $3.2 million in 2015) from the new administration. (In 1800, federal revenues totaled a little over $10 million). Putting his long-held beliefs into practice, Jefferson refused the demand. Consequently, on 10 May 1801, the Pasha declared war on the U.S., not through any formal written documents but in the customary Barbary manner of cutting down the flagstaff in front of the U.S. Consulate.[27] Algiers and Tunis did not follow their ally in Tripoli."

There are far more negative examples than the ONE positive one you managed to dig up. Not to mention that the time of my example was after your supposed 'peace treaty'.
It's an interesting subject I'm going to have to read more of... time for a trip to the library!
 

Omar F1

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The problem with any history excerpt is, who written that history in the first place?
Someone influenced by his nationalism pride/religious agenda? directly benefitting from the state for such writing, or from interest to keep his place high among his society - where we know well the consequence of moving against the social tide in many historical aspects.

In case you check our history books; it's full of glory, the kind of self-righteous one, it's too-clean history to the degree that makes you question its whole integrity. That is what our schools are teaching, so could that be called true historical literature? or that title is reserved only for British/American historians.

As they say, in every conflict there are often two sides of the story.
The official narrative written by the victorious of WWII is widely known for sure, shoved deep into our throats by every possible means.
But how about the alternative one, Hitler's side of the story, should I dismiss it completely since it's not found in your college books or taught by your schools.
 

MongGrel

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Hitlers side of the story is pretty well documented actually.

There are multitudes of sources, you apparently seem uninformed there.

He did bring Germany out of a major depression at the time, before he went bat shit crazy.

He did not garner support there for no reason, he restored a lot of Nationalist pride in the country at the time.

He was testing weapons in the Spanish Civil War etc before the Blitzkrieg. A lot of Ernest Hemingway stories even revolved around Nazi involvement there, not so much Hitler in general.

This is a good one for starters, are many others.

https://www.amazon.com/Necessary-Wa...UTF8&qid=1468193192&sr=1-2&keywords=ken+burns
 
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MajinCry

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WWII was some majorly dirty business. It leaves a sour taste in yer mouth, when you read up on the shit that the Allied Forces got up to, especially with the whole "Greatest Generation" thing. Soldiers are fucking nasty.
 

Omar F1

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Why don't you start with the Barbary Pirates.
I known little about the North-African pirates. After the Islamic conquest of that region, the locals at that time were literally called "al Barabira", the barbarians.
From them came the idea to cross the sea and invade Europe in the first place, especially after the failed attempts to break Constantinople. They built the ships, the Arab had nothing to do with sea warfare back then.

But reading that Wiki article, it's disturbing to know that such raids and trouble kept coming out of that region and had endured for such long centuries.


I completely agree that in weighing-in nations, we must look back into its history along with the present status. Speaking of which, you seem to deny an important role that resulted in shaping-out our current status.
 

Tequila

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WWII was some majorly dirty business. It leaves a sour taste in yer mouth, when you read up on the shit that the Allied Forces got up to, especially with the whole "Greatest Generation" thing. Soldiers are fucking nasty.

New Flash: All war is dirty business. Rape, torture, pillaging, slavery are common themes in the history of war on all sides.
 

agent00f

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You mentioned Dunning-Kruger effect (and in so many threads, it appears that it's one of your favorite term, my my), may I introduce you to a mirror?

You're dumb because you're an idiot, it's what was passed down through your genes. You can't help it, and wraps that around with some delusion of grandeur? Oh boy...

BTW, my ratio is surely over 9000, you just can't count that high. BTW, less edit please, formulate your thoughts prior to smashing keyboard. Idiot.

The persistent problem here is that you simply don't/can't understand how insults work.

Consider for example a trashy woman deemed to be sexually promiscuous due to frequent fortification, who only turns around screaming about others being sluts in matters not involving sex. Similarly, it's been reliably established you lack the faculties to form coherent arguments, yet only turn around to scream about stupidity of others when their intellect is not in question.

Most people figured out that the rubber/glue form of rhetoric (eg. "I'm not dumb, you're dumb) makes no sense by primary school, but sense has evidently eluded you much beyond. Demonstrating this further does you no favors, but unfortunately that is also too hard to figure out.

The problem with any history excerpt is, who written that history in the first place?
Someone influenced by his nationalism pride/religious agenda? directly benefitting from the state for such writing, or from interest to keep his place high among his society - where we know well the consequence of moving against the social tide in many historical aspects.

In case you check our history books; it's full of glory, the kind of self-righteous one, it's too-clean history to the degree that makes you question its whole integrity. That is what our schools are teaching, so could that be called true historical literature? or that title is reserved only for British/American historians.

As they say, in every conflict there are often two sides of the story.
The official narrative written by the victorious of WWII is widely known for sure, shoved deep into our throats by every possible means.
But how about the alternative one, Hitler's side of the story, should I dismiss it completely since it's not found in your college books or taught by your schools.

You're probably thinking of the summarized/popularized version of history taught earlier on in school. Academic history tends to be more objective & comprehensive. Unfortunately those books are often written by academics for academics, mostly because there isn't much interest in history in the general population.
 
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SSSnail

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The persistent problem here is that you simply don't/can't understand how words are insulting.

Consider for example a trashy woman deemed to be sexually promiscuous due to frequent fortification, who only turns around screaming about others being sluts in matters not involving sex. Similarly, it's been reliably established you lack the faculties to form coherent arguments, yet only turn around to scream about stupidity of others when their intellect is not in question.

Most people figured out that the rubber/glue form of rhetoric (eg. "I'm not dumb, you're dumb) makes no sense in primary school, but sense has evidently eluded you all this time. Demonstrating that fact further does you no favors.
Wow, took you a day to come up with that? And more edits? Jeebus, seriously, what is wrong with you? (Rhetorical)
 

agent00f

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Wow, took you a day to come up with that? And more edits? Jeebus, seriously, what is wrong with you? (Rhetorical)

This is understandably confusing since it's not until grades higher than can be counted on one hand that people discover the written word often benefits from clarification.
 

SSSnail

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This is understandably confusing since it's not until grades higher than can be counted on one hand that people discover the written word often benefits from clarification.

You really need to start talking like normal non-brain damaged adults do, really. But, lost in your own reality seems to be your thing.
 

agent00f

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You really need to start talking like normal non-brain damaged adults do, really.

Let me break it down all simple like. People who get into bigger grades learn that sometimes the first sentence that pops into their head isn't the best way to say things. So those people can understand what editing is used for, while people without that experience need it explained all simple like.
 

SSSnail

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Let me break it down all simple like. People who get into bigger grades learn that sometimes the first sentence that pops into their head isn't the best way to say things. So those people can understand what editing is used for, while people without that experience need it explained all simple like.

Now, you're typing even more like a bigger idiot like.
 

agent00f

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Now, you're typing even more like a bigger idiot like.

The point of this dialog is to provide unimpeachable evidence that the xenophobic elements of society represent the absolutely lowest common denominator. I rest my case.
 

SSSnail

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The point of this dialog is to provide unimpeachable evidence that the xenophobic elements of society represent the absolutely lowest common denominator. I rest my case.

LOL, the point of this is that you're an idiot. And remains so. Anyone reading this thread can come to that conclusion based on your posts so far.
 

agent00f

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LOL, the point of this is that you're an idiot. And remains so. Anyone reading this thread can come to that conclusion based on your posts so far.

It's pretty conclusively demonstrated that the extent of thought process for Exhibit A here is: "They think I'm dumb, well I'll show them by saying they're dumb". This illuminates how these sorts of people reach their opinions about the world, and thereby the value of those opinions.

There are far reaching implications of this reality which transcends this thread. Democracy has a bad habit of empowering and emboldening the lowest common denominator into truly believing their trite hubris, not unlike how religious impresses onto believers the sanctity of their side.

These exhibits are clearly oblivious to their condition of making decisions based on nothing of substance, the collective tard strength of which can make whatever powers of science & rationality entirely irrelevant. It's IMO one of the few existential threats to western society.
 

raildogg

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People's minds are already made up. The anti-Muslim people will not change their biased mindset and the pro-Muslim people ... well, I don't know how one can be pro-Muslim.

It's interesting how we go about labeling people. In this supposed educated and modern society, throwing labels around is the norm despite people thinking that we're so inclusive and open minded.

How does one define a Muslim? If a person is born to a Muslim family? Or if that person claims to be a Muslim? What about his actions? What if his actions go against Islam, is he still a Muslim?

For example, the supposed shooter in Orlando claimed to be a Muslim. But it appears from the very limited things I read about him is that he did not really live a "Muslim" life. Though he talks about being a Muslim and therefore everyone calls him a Muslim and on and on. Same goes for any of these so-called terrorists. I mean, killing people isn't religious so how are they Muslim?

There is a big difference between saying something and the actual thing. A lot of people claim to be Christian, or Hindu or whatever but their actions speak otherwise. So I don't see it being very logical to blame an organized religion when someone who supposedly belongs to it commits a crime in the name of that religion. This is especially true when people don't live accordingly to that said religion despite them saying they do. The corrupt Middle Eastern, Asian and African countries who supposedly are Muslim countries sure don't live accordingly to Islam. The level of corruption and just the way of living says they are Muslim in name only. The same goes for other countries who claim to belong to this or that religion.
 

agent00f

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People's minds are already made up. The anti-Muslim people will not change their biased mindset and the pro-Muslim people ... well, I don't know how one can be pro-Muslim.

It's interesting how we go about labeling people. In this supposed educated and modern society, throwing labels around is the norm despite people thinking that we're so inclusive and open minded.

How does one define a Muslim? If a person is born to a Muslim family? Or if that person claims to be a Muslim? What about his actions? What if his actions go against Islam, is he still a Muslim?

For example, the supposed shooter in Orlando claimed to be a Muslim. But it appears from the very limited things I read about him is that he did not really live a "Muslim" life. Though he talks about being a Muslim and therefore everyone calls him a Muslim and on and on. Same goes for any of these so-called terrorists. I mean, killing people isn't religious so how are they Muslim?

There is a big difference between saying something and the actual thing. A lot of people claim to be Christian, or Hindu or whatever but their actions speak otherwise. So I don't see it being very logical to blame an organized religion when someone who supposedly belongs to it commits a crime in the name of that religion. This is especially true when people don't live accordingly to that said religion despite them saying they do. The corrupt Middle Eastern, Asian and African countries who supposedly are Muslim countries sure don't live accordingly to Islam. The level of corruption and just the way of living says they are Muslim in name only. The same goes for other countries who claim to belong to this or that religion.

"Muslim" here for the most part means arab or arab-looking. Similar to "mexican" for the most part means darker/native hispanic, and not Louis CK. As you may have noticed, these people aren't particularly nuanced in thought.
 

AnonymouseUser

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"Muslim" here for the most part means arab or arab-looking. Similar to "mexican" for the most part means darker/native hispanic, and not Louis CK. As you may have noticed, these people aren't particularly nuanced in thought.

Wrong. Again. "Muslim" here means "Muslim refugees" as Christian refugees from the same Muslim countries are consistently denied entry to Western countries.

No room in America for Christian refugees

Iraqi Christians denied asylum in US, facing looming expulsion

US Accepts Less Than 3 Percent Christian Refugees, 96 Percent Muslims

The State Department Turns Its Back on Syrian Christians and Other Non-Muslim Refugees

That so few of the Syrian refugees coming here are non-Muslim minorities is due to American reliance on a United Nations refugee-resettlement program that disproportionately excludes them.

France, UN Condemn Favoritism for Christian Refugees in Europe

FWIW, I met a Syrian Christian refugee a couple of months ago, and we discussed the Syrian refugee situation. He knows it's near impossible for Christians to get refugee status these days, and is thankful he came here some 30 years ago. He is an upstanding and successful person, and I have no issue with him.
 

agent00f

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It doesn't look like you grasp how the numbers here work. The US is treating all arab/arab-looking peoples (you know, those "muslims") similarly, it only just happens that relatively few of them are christian & in/around actual refuge camps. It explains right there in your own links the reason for this "unintentional discrimination" against christians, so appears reading isn't a particular strong suit either.

France, UN Condemn Favoritism for Christian Refugees in Europe

FWIW, I met a Syrian Christian refugee a couple of months ago, and we discussed the Syrian refugee situation. He knows it's near impossible for Christians to get refugee status these days, and is thankful he came here some 30 years ago. He is an upstanding and successful person, and I have no issue with him.

Sure, it's impossible because your peers don't want any of them arabs around.

Also it probably wouldn't hurt to talk to some muslims once in a while either, even if these news sources reliably inform you that they'll suicide-bomb whitey given the opportunity.
 

SSSnail

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It's pretty conclusively demonstrated that the extent of thought process for Exhibit A here is: "They think I'm dumb, well I'll show them by saying they're dumb". This illuminates how these sorts of people reach their opinions about the world, and thereby the value of those opinions.

There are far reaching implications of this reality which transcends this thread. Democracy has a bad habit of empowering and emboldening the lowest common denominator into truly believing their trite hubris, not unlike how religious impresses onto believers the sanctity of their side.

These exhibits are clearly oblivious to their condition of making decisions based on nothing of substance, the collective tard strength of which can make whatever powers of science & rationality entirely irrelevant. It's IMO one of the few existential threats to western society.

Point 1 - touche'.
Point 2 - touche'.
Point 3 - touche'.

Quit touching me. And LOL@ your silly attempt at turning this into some sort of academic discourse where you use your word-a-day thesaurus to impress. HAHA!!!!

What an idiot!
 

Omar F1

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Hitlers side of the story is pretty well documented actually.

There are multitudes of sources, you apparently seem uninformed there.

He did bring Germany out of a major depression at the time, before he went bat shit crazy.

He did not garner support there for no reason, he restored a lot of Nationalist pride in the country at the time.

He was testing weapons in the Spanish Civil War etc before the Blitzkrieg. A lot of Ernest Hemingway stories even revolved around Nazi involvement there, not so much Hitler in general.

This is a good one for starters, are many others.

https://www.amazon.com/Necessary-Wa...UTF8&qid=1468193192&sr=1-2&keywords=ken+burns
A historical fact could be differently interpreted by different groups, don't forget the added bonus by one's or a whole nation's imagination to that event.

Highlighted is the part which has been deliberately left out; many facts were dismissed as a Nazi propaganda, some conspiracy theories thrown here and there, criminalizing them for every inch of the war, while the self-esteemed allies never looked to themselves in the mirror. Playing it dumb and fool to the world.


Back before the war, the Nazi party discriminated the Jews, expelled them from prominent/financial positions and wanted them out of the whole country as much as they could. But how about the American discrimination against the blacks then, had it received half of such global criticism back in the day?

How about whole story of WWII, was it about Germany invading the world, or was it about Hitler mobilizing to save fellow Germans from discrimination/oppression in lands which belonged to the Reich in the first place before being unfairly cut off to others, only a couple of decades ago.
I imagine what the US would do if they were in his place, for example if tensions arise between you and Canada, and Alaska start paying for that in many ways. If you're a great power, is it possible to stay stand still while state-sponsored terrorism acts being endured by the Alaskans?
I mean, it seem deliberately omitted from your history that Hitler begged for that corridor to Danzig. He offered a peaceful resolve but the door was shut tight, mainly because England/France's assurance that they got Poland's back. (and of course, there is no way to believe that Britain would do such, if it wasn't assured that American cavalry would come to the aid eventually)

I believe Hitler's Germany became too big for the Capitalists, and maybe they feared his successful social model would endanger their existence at some point.

Plain and simple, honest and straight, if it wasn't for the US throwing itself into WWI then WWII, what your place would be in the world right now among the super military powers of Germany and Japan.
Whether you consider it as opinion or trash it away, the way I see it it's all about staying on the top of the food-chain when it comes to the US wars in the current and past century. All while its military manufacturers and bankers laughed their ass during every one of those.

I wonder, was there a real threat to the US mainland before/during WWII. If not, then what justified all the aid provided to the enemies of both Germany and Japan. Then you went all that Hollywood surprised and shit, after the Japs hit you back and war being officially declared upon you.


Also never to be missed, the cheapest conspiracy theory of all, that Hitler invaded the Soviets to make land for German settlers there.
Back after the invasion of Poland, Hitler in a speech he vowed to destroy Britain in case they'd declare war on Germany, again.
After the failure of Britain battle and concluding the impossibility of executing Sea Lion, what possibly could divert Hitler's focus to a totally different war theatre, against temporal ally from which he received much needed supplies, in addition of securing Germany's back from the east.
Who do you think I would rather believe, that lying filthy inhuman regime that had enslaved their own people, or believe Hitler in deeming such preemptive strike necessary in order to avoid probable future invasion by the Soviets, especially after the secret talks with Churchill - as per Hitler's side of the story. (and nobody denies the massive Soviet divisions found on those frontiers)
I believe that the "massive aid" the Soviets received after the German invasion from the US, along with promise to open another front against Hitler, might have contributed in important way to the long hold out of the Soviets. There was a good chance to crush such regime, once and forever, and save many states from much suffering on their hands subsequently. (Definitely Syria wouldn't be heading on the verge to massacre every last Syrian there in order to preserve that Russian base on the Mediterranean)

Lastly, it doesn't take a genius, PhD studies, learning divisions names and all kind of details or spending years in the archives, for someone to wonder how possibly could the US and Britain commanders have escaped the Nuremberg trials themselves, after what they had done to the German towns all-around and its German civilians.


Sorry if you won't like such thoughts, apologize if there are material misjudgments from my short-reading so far into the subject. But it's mainly to reemphasize that history is not always black or white. A Mistaken judgment, small omission of fact or wild interpretation for other, could greatly change the perception and course of the state/nation-approved written history.
 

agent00f

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Point 1 - touche'.
Point 2 - touche'.
Point 3 - touche'.

Quit touching me. And LOL@ your silly attempt at turning this into some sort of academic discourse where you use your word-a-day thesaurus to impress. HAHA!!!!

What an idiot!


Just fyi, the posts with the longer sentences clearly aren't really meant for you.
 

SSSnail

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So a certain idiot PM'd me, apparently I got under his idiotic skin.

"I'm genuinely curious as to what you think is the value people like yourself bring to either a forum or society in general. I ask in PM because I realize it might be embarrassing to answer in public."

 

guachi

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It doesn't look like you grasp how the numbers here work. The US is treating all arab/arab-looking peoples (you know, those "muslims") similarly, it only just happens that relatively few of them are christian & in/around actual refuge camps. It explains right there in your own links the reason for this "unintentional discrimination" against christians, so appears reading isn't a particular strong suit either.

My right wing inlaws also claimed Christians were being unfairly discriminated against and I used this thing called "math" to show that, no, they weren't.

For exactly the reasons you stated above.
 
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