'Straight pride' group removes Brad Pitt as mascot after actor complains

[UglyCasanova]

I see, previously your stance was that they were mentally ill and/or not sane. If your way of thinking has changed, then I apologize.

I do think there is something mentally not right with them, that doesn’t mean I’m not ok with them..?

 

[Perknose]

I’m fine with trans people too, its not something that should be pushed onto kids though.

Allowing those who are trans to live their lives free of persecution, with the same dignity, rights and opportunity as any other human being does not equate to "pushing" that onto kids.

Please show us all some examples of people "pushing" that onto kids.

Seems like you need to go organize a Clueless Straight American parade of your own. CSA! There's already a flag you can borrow from some very fine people for that!

 

[nakedfrog]

I do think there is something mentally not right with them, that doesn’t mean I’m not ok with them..?

"I have no problem with them, they're just mentally deranged". I dunno. Would that make you feel good about yourself?
Can you see how that creates a problematic environment for them, being treated that way?

 

[UglyCasanova]

"I have no problem with them, they're just mentally deranged". I dunno. Would that make you feel good about yourself?
Can you see how that creates a problematic environment for them, being treated that way?

There’s a lot of mentally ill people that I don’t treat poorly, transgenders are no exception. How would it create a problematic environment?

 

[WelshBloke]

There’s a lot of mentally ill people that I don’t treat poorly, transgenders are no exception. How would it create a problematic environment?

Once you call someone mentally ill you can start looking for a cure for them regardless of if they want it.

 

[feralkid]

There’s a lot of mentally ill people that I don’t treat poorly, transgenders are no exception. How would it create a problematic environment?

What-me-worry?

 

[nakedfrog]

There’s a lot of mentally ill people that I don’t treat poorly, transgenders are no exception. How would it create a problematic environment?

You're stigmatizing them, treating them as if there's something wrong with them, for something that is inherent to their sense of self. Something that doesn't present harm to society or others, it mostly results in self harm, due to, guess what, social stigma.

 

[Perknose]

There’s a lot of mentally ill people that I don’t treat poorly, transgenders are no exception. How would it create a problematic environment?

Because SCIENCE, you ignoramus. Treating someone who is simply different from you, or who doesn't conform to your rigidly ignorant ideas about gender and biology, IS problematic for all those folks YOU then ignorantly decide are mentally ill.

Try living in a society in which other people have decided YOU are mentally ill, when you are not, and see if that's not problematic for you.

2. Is being transgender a mental illness?
No. While some outspoken commentators espouse this notion, there's no good evidence to back it up. According to the American Psychological Association, "A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder." Moreover, the World Health Organization no longer classifies being transgender as a mental illness.

While transgender identity is not a mental illness, transgender people and those experiencing gender dysphoria are more susceptible to depression, anxiety, and ADHD. However, a systematic review found that psychiatric symptoms vastly improve following gender-confirming medical interventions. It seems that when transgender people are permitted to assume their gender identities, they become happier and healthier individuals.

3. Are there brain differences associated with being transgender?
Yes. Male and female brains are structually different, and fascinatingly, studies show that the brain structure and brain activity of transgender people more closely resemble those of their gender identity versus their birth gender. This suggests that sexual differentiation of the brain during the development is not necessarily linked to sexual differentiation of the genitals.

 

[Ichinisan]

the guardian is not the onion.

The Guardian isn't the group expressing satire.

 

[Ichinisan]

is there really a "straight pride" parade? what the fuck is wrong with such preposterously ignorant people?

They want this reaction from you.

 

[UglyCasanova]

There can be brain differences associated with all sorts of mental disorders. Science isn’t proving you right. You’re trying to normalize it for some reason. That said they should still be treated with respect and have the rights anyone else would.

 

[Perknose]

They want this reaction from you.

They want to be known as preposterously ignorant? Why . . . that's preposterously ignorant of them!

Rats! I fell into their not at all preposterously ignorant trap!

 

[Ichinisan]

Can you imagine how bloody lame a straight pride parade would be!?

Bigot.

 

[obidamnkenobi]

They want this reaction from you.

Ok, so we laugh at them. Then what? How is this "trolling" anyone? We chuckle and move on, what do they achieve by this?

 

[Ichinisan]

I find it bizarre to have parades gay or straight about ones sexual preferences. Certainly not something worthy of having pride in.

FWIW, the parades now often encompass trans people too. IIRC you're pretty much fine with gays, but very much not fine with trans people, so we continue to need to have parades saying that just because you're a shit person we're not going to be ashamed of ourselves.

I’m fine with trans people too, its not something that should be pushed onto kids though.

I see, previously your stance was that they were mentally ill and/or not sane. If your way of thinking has changed, then I apologize.

Believing they are mentally ill doesn't mean he's "not OK with them." Maybe he's fine with mentally ill and disabled people too.

 

[Perknose]

There can be brain differences associated with all sorts of mental disorders.

Sweet Jesus, you're STUPID. Read these sentences again and see if you can better understand what SCIENCE is telling us, this time:

Male and female brains are structually different, and fascinatingly, studies show that the brain structure and brain activity of transgender people more closely resemble those of their gender identity versus their birth gender. This suggests that sexual differentiation of the brain during the development is not necessarily linked to sexual differentiation of the genitals.

Science isn’t proving you right. You’re trying to normalize it for some reason.

This bedrock bit of biological information, that the brain of someone born with male gentalia who nontheless believes they are female DOES more closely, STRUCTURALLY resemble that of a female. Got that, dumbo? There is physical evidence that there belief is correct.

Let me spell it out for you. SCIENCE is proving YOU wrong. YOU are trying to abnormalize these folks based on your own bigoted ignorance.

That said they should still be treated with respect and have the rights anyone else would.

If you truly believe this . . . if you have any integrity at all, then you will cease ignoring the irrefutable biological science and stop dismissing these folks as mentally ill. Can you do that?

 

[Perknose]

Believing they are mentally ill doesn't mean he's "not OK with them."

It sure as hell does if he continues to ignore the scientific indications that they are not mentally ill.

 

[Ichinisan]

Once you call someone mentally ill you can start looking for a cure for them regardless of if they want it.

...and from the other perspective, you don't help people with mental illness if you never acknowledge or offer assistance with their affliction.

Didn't they recently change the "gender dysphoria" diagnosis to something else so it would sound nicer to politically correct people? I vaguely recall hearing something like that. It would not be without precedent.

Maybe changed to be recognized as a spectrum like autism / Asperger's syndrome.

Or maybe just re-worded or refined into more specific areas of a spectrum like "disassociative identity disorder" / "multiple personality disorder" / "schizophrenia."

 

[Ichinisan]

Because SCIENCE, you ignoramus. Treating someone who is simply different from you, or who doesn't conform to your rigidly ignorant ideas about gender and biology, IS problematic for all those folks YOU then ignorantly decide are mentally ill.

Try living in a society in which other people have decided YOU are mentally ill, when you are not, and see if that's not problematic for you.

2. Is being transgender a mental illness?
No. While some outspoken commentators espouse this notion, there's no good evidence to back it up. According to the American Psychological Association, "A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder." Moreover, the World Health Organization no longer classifies being transgender as a mental illness.

While transgender identity is not a mental illness, transgender people and those experiencing gender dysphoria are more susceptible to depression, anxiety, and ADHD. However, a systematic review found that psychiatric symptoms vastly improve following gender-confirming medical interventions. It seems that when transgender people are permitted to assume their gender identities, they become happier and healthier individuals.

3. Are there brain differences associated with being transgender?
Yes. Male and female brains are structually different, and fascinatingly, studies show that the brain structure and brain activity of transgender people more closely resemble those of their gender identity versus their birth gender. This suggests that sexual differentiation of the brain during the development is not necessarily linked to sexual differentiation of the genitals.

Do nothing about the horrific suicide rates, even among post-op trans people? "There's no problem. Nothing to see here. Don't even speculate or think about the problem or how we can help. Let these people die. They're fine."

I care about them too.

 

[zinfamous]

They want this reaction from you.

so...they think they are "owning others" by fundamentally wasting their own time, possibly getting fired from work for taking off time to organize something ridiculous?

and?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Friend of mine is going to the gay pride day with her gay “husband” then heading to the straight pride day with her gay “husband”
Facebook should be interesting this weekend.

 

[pmv]

I must confess to feeling somewhat conflicted. I have no problem with them doing their own thing, but it's hard enough to find a good woman competing against other men, now you got to compete against women as well.

Sorry, but that kind of sucks.

Surely this only works if you think that sexual-preference is entirely a matter of choice? And if you actually think that, then there's an obvious solution to your problem. Either way it kind-of evens out, surely?

 

[Perknose]

Do nothing about the horrific suicide rates, even among post-op trans people? "There's no problem. Nothing to see here. Don't even speculate or think about the problem or how we can help. Let these people die. They're fine."

Cut the bullshit. No one is saying that. If you really cared about them, you would have read, and taken to heart, this part of the excerpt that I have already posted in this thread. I'll bold the part you should take to heart:

"While transgender identity is not a mental illness, transgender people and those experiencing gender dysphoria are more susceptible to depression, anxiety, and ADHD. However, a systematic review found that psychiatric symptoms vastly improve following gender-confirming medical interventions. It seems that when transgender people are permitted to assume their gender identities, they become happier and healthier individuals."

The ignorance of your harmful bigotry is encapsulated in your own previous posting here:

...and from the other perspective, you don't help people with mental illness if you never acknowledge or offer assistance with their affliction.

^^^ Assumes facts not in evidence. Moreover, assumes a "fact" directly contradicted by scientifically observed physical evidence regarding the physical structure of their brains!

The SCIENCE has shown they don't have an affliction and they are NOT mentally ill. Bigoted ignorance like yours is what contributes to their high suicide rates. Stop hurting them with your scientifically indefensible bigotry that they have "an affliction" and are "mentally ill."

 

[pmv]

Believing they are mentally ill doesn't mean he's "not OK with them." Maybe he's fine with mentally ill and disabled people too.

But what do you mean by 'mentally ill'? What actually follows from putting someone in that category? If one put 'conservatives' in that category, would that be wrong?

I'm honestly not clear what the definition of 'mental illness' is. There seems to be disagreement as to whether personality disorders fall into that group, with some psychologists appearing to say, from what I've seen, that they can be considered an illness if they find a treatment for them. Which seems, if I've gotten it right, a little self-serving. If they define 'illness' as 'something we can treat' they can then boast that there's no mental illness they can't treat!

I mention PDs because, er, there's a prominent example of the difficulty in knowing how to judge that condition in the news a lot at the moment.

To me, as a complete layperson, 'mental illness' seems a very tricky concept to pin down and perfectly define, and it seems reasonable to be very careful about who you stick that label on (cf Soviet psychiatry).

 

[nakedfrog]

Believing they are mentally ill doesn't mean he's "not OK with them." Maybe he's fine with mentally ill and disabled people too.

I understand what he said, I also have read his posts about trans people over the years, so I have context. Maybe it's softened, I'm not sure, but I'll wait and see if his future rhetoric echoes the statement of his being okay with them.