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Paladin3

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The idea that trans folk have a mental illness isn’t hateful any more than saying anyone else with a mental illness is mentally ill is hateful. I’m depressed, if you call me that it doesn’t mean you hate me.
This can only be true if you accept being transgendered IS a mental illness. Which it isn't. We keep arguing in circles and you keep trying to prove what you say is true by saying it is. I'm not sure it works that way.

EDIT: and not to be hypocritical, here is a link to what science believes causes transsexuality. If you want to dismiss it because it's a Wikipedia link, then click some of their citations for the source studies. The bottom line is that whatever causes transsexuality, stop calling it a mental illness so you have an excuse to discriminate.
 
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feralkid

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Well you know except for depression actually being defined as a mental illness and being trans is not defined as a mental illness. So either you're bigoted or just willfully ignorant. Choose 1.


In his case, he should choose "all of the above" with a side of "who, me?"
 

UglyCasanova

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This can only be true if you accept being transgendered IS a mental illness. Which it isn't. We keep arguing in circles and you keep trying to prove what you say is true by saying it is. I'm not sure it works that way.


Fair enough about the circles. Your opinion is that it isn’t, I don’t share that. I don’t treat those who have it any differently just as I wouldn’t expect people to treat someone different that has depression for instance.
 

feralkid

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Fair enough about the circles. Your opinion is that it isn’t, I don’t share that. I don’t treat those who have it any differently just as I wouldn’t expect people to treat someone different that has depression for instance.


I’m fine with depressed people too, its not something that should be pushed onto kids though.
 
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Perknose

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No one should be demeaned or treated badly because of a mental health issue. But that doesn't mean a mental health issue should be ignored because it's trendy.
Except transgenderism is NOT a mental illness. You are so rigidly encased in your ignorant bigotry that you refuse to acknowledge it, even when the SCIENCE has been shown to you multiple times, by multiple folks, right here in this thread.

Here's just a bit of the FACTUAL SCIENCE that I have previously shared. Pay particular attention to irrefutable biology underlying #3, k?

2. Is being transgender a mental illness?
No.
While some outspoken commentators espouse this notion, there's no good evidence to back it up. According to the American Psychological Association, "A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder." Moreover, the World Health Organization no longer classifies being transgender as a mental illness.

While transgender identity is not a mental illness, transgender people and those experiencing gender dysphoria are more susceptible to depression, anxiety, and ADHD. However, a systematic review found that psychiatric symptoms vastly improve following gender-confirming medical interventions. It seems that when transgender people are permitted to assume their gender identities, they become happier and healthier individuals.

3. Are there brain differences associated with being transgender?
Yes. Male and female brains are structually different, and fascinatingly, studies show that the brain structure and brain activity of transgender people more closely resemble those of their gender identity versus their birth gender. This suggests that sexual differentiation of the brain during the development is not necessarily linked to sexual differentiation of the genitals.

^^^ You know, when you find yourself in the same dimbulb dinghy in a thread as UglyC, the overwhelming smell of stupidity alone ought to tell you something. RTFT.
 

DarthKyrie

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I'm too lazy to go to this group's shitty website, could anyone care to tell me how they see hetrosexuals are oppressed today?

They aren't allowed to beat up gay people anymore?


That looks like every Bruins or Celtics home game. Don't you know that us New Englanders like to get drunk and fight about sports? I know we are nothing compared to Philly fans and their jails inside of the arenas.
 

UglyCasanova

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Except transgenderism is NOT a mental illness. You are so rigidly encased in your ignorant bigotry that you refuse to acknowledge it, even when the SCIENCE has been shown to you multiple times, by multiple folks, right here in this thread.

Here's just a bit of the FACTUAL SCIENCE that I have previously shared. Pay particular attention to irrefutable biology underlying #3, k?

2. Is being transgender a mental illness?
No.
While some outspoken commentators espouse this notion, there's no good evidence to back it up. According to the American Psychological Association, "A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder." Moreover, the World Health Organization no longer classifies being transgender as a mental illness.

While transgender identity is not a mental illness, transgender people and those experiencing gender dysphoria are more susceptible to depression, anxiety, and ADHD. However, a systematic review found that psychiatric symptoms vastly improve following gender-confirming medical interventions. It seems that when transgender people are permitted to assume their gender identities, they become happier and healthier individuals.

3. Are there brain differences associated with being transgender?
Yes. Male and female brains are structually different, and fascinatingly, studies show that the brain structure and brain activity of transgender people more closely resemble those of their gender identity versus their birth gender. This suggests that sexual differentiation of the brain during the development is not necessarily linked to sexual differentiation of the genitals.

^^^ You know, when you find yourself in the same dimbulb dinghy in a thread as UglyC, the overwhelming smell of stupidity alone ought to tell you something. RTFT.


That’s wonderful that they followed public pressure and reclassified it as not a mental illness (when originally it was). I’m going to stick to their original interpretation though that yes it is a mental illness. It may be caused by differences in the brain, there are other mental illnesses that may be as well. Doesn’t change what it is though. Yes someone who wants to mutilate their body, pump hormones into it, create artificial breasts, and slice their penis up and turn it into a vagina has a mental illness. Yes.
 
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Perknose

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That’s wonderful that they followed public pressure and reclassified it as not a mental illness (when originally it was). I’m going to stick to their original interpretation though that yes it is a mental illness. It may be caused by differences in the brain, there are other mental illnesses that may be as well. Doesn’t change what it is though. Yes someone who wants to mutilate their body, pump hormones into it, create artificial breasts, and slice their penis up and turn it into a vagina has a mental illness. Yes.
My God, you are impenetrably stupid. Remarkably stupid. Intractably stupid. So stupid and bigoted, you cling to your bigotry even when faced with strong scientific evidence that your bigotry is simply stupid . . . and wrong. You couldn't even grasp #3:

Male and female brains are structually different, and fascinatingly, studies show that the brain structure and brain activity of transgender people more closely resemble those of their gender identity versus their birth gender. This suggests that sexual differentiation of the brain during the development is not necessarily linked to sexual differentiation of the genitals.

Yours is a jaw dropping blend of stupidity, bigotry and ignorance. Please, please, please don't breed.
 

UglyCasanova

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I’ve read that and already responded. Many people with mental illnesses have differences in their brain. Anyone willing to mutilate their body and artificially creat genitals of a different gender has a mental illness. I’m very happy for them that they live peaceful lives and wish them nothing but the best, but it doesn’t change that they have a mental illness. It’s just one society has learned to accept.


Edit: I’m having a peaceful conversation with you, it seems unnecessary to keep calling me stupid etc.
 

umbrella39

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In his case, he should choose "all of the above" with a side of "who, me?"

You guys are forgetting the very obvious choice E here... He is a closeted, self-loather who is composing each and every post of his/hers? while wearing a bra and panties...

I feel sorry for those who hate themselves so much they are willing to hurt others because of it. That's a crime...

Shame...
 
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feralkid

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I’ve read that and already responded. Many people with mental illnesses have differences in their brain. Anyone willing to mutilate their body and artificially creat genitals of a different gender has a mental illness. I’m very happy for them that they live peaceful lives and wish them nothing but the best, but it doesn’t change that they have a mental illness. It’s just one society has learned to accept.


Edit: I’m having a peaceful conversation with you, it seems unnecessary to keep calling me stupid etc.


You are in no position to diagnose people regarding mental illness.

Stop being such a stupid asshole.
 

glenn1

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Who cares? Every civilized human being should care.

Waddling around with the erroneous and bigoted idea that all trans people are mentally ill is analogous to waddling around thinking all black people are mentally inferior. Sure, it's not a crime. But it's is an ugly and ignorant attitude, hurtful to the group that person is erroneously bigoted against. When you make an entire group the lesser, it encourages the ugliest amongst us to treat them in ugly and demeaning ways.

Why do you think oppressed heterosexuals, somehow seemingly mostly white and male, want to march in Boston, eh?

So how’s that discussion going to bring him around from his “mental illness” viewpoint? Must be nice to have that much free time to have a pages long conversation with someone trying to change one solitary opinion that doesn’t matter much and isn’t likely to change. But you keep fighting that good fight and maybe he’ll come around someday. Probably about the same time as you get him to agree that rap music is a high art form just as worthy of recognition as “good” music like Percy Faith and Bing Crosby.
 

Perknose

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Probably about the same time as you get him to agree that rap music is a high art form just as worthy of recognition as “good” music like Percy Faith and Bing Crosby.
Omg, you just made me laugh and laugh and laugh . . . not for any reason you likely intended, but still!
 
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Paladin3

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So how’s that discussion going to bring him around from his “mental illness” viewpoint? Must be nice to have that much free time to have a pages long conversation with someone trying to change one solitary opinion that doesn’t matter much and isn’t likely to change. But you keep fighting that good fight and maybe he’ll come around someday. Probably about the same time as you get him to agree that rap music is a high art form just as worthy of recognition as “good” music like Percy Faith and Bing Crosby.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” ― Edmund Burke.

These forums are read by tens of thousands who aren't registered users and don't directly participate in the conversation. And this discussion is easily found with a quick google search by anyone interested in the topic. If I choose to type replies supporting fair and kind treatment of my fellow man while watching TV it is time well spent, IMHO, even if I am the only one who ever gains any satisfaction from it.

I'll know that at least I wasn't silent during this discussion, for whatever that's worth.
 

UglyCasanova

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What are you not silent on though, nothing in this thread other than people being called stupid is negative or hateful. The discussion itself is simply that, a discussion.
 

UglyCasanova

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Well you know except for depression actually being defined as a mental illness and being trans is not defined as a mental illness. So either you're bigoted or just willfully ignorant. Choose 1.


Until recently. Previously it was defined as such. The change was bowing to public pressure. It being a mental illness isn’t is simply that, it’s not a reason to treat them poorly or anything. The scientific definition until very recently was yes it is a mental illness. And that’s the quasi scientific nonsense of psychology so take it with a grain of salt.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Until recently. Previously it was defined as such. The change was bowing to public pressure. It being a mental illness isn’t is simply that, it’s not a reason to treat them poorly or anything. The scientific definition until very recently was yes it is a mental illness. And that’s the quasi scientific nonsense of psychology so take it with a grain of salt.

Hey man, I agree. But I won't ignore how people with mental illness in our society are regularly shunned or mistreated. Not all of them, and not by everyone, but it certainly opens that door on a regular basis.

You wanna guess which people group tends to do that?
 

brycejones

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Until recently. Previously it was defined as such. The change was bowing to public pressure. It being a mental illness isn’t is simply that, it’s not a reason to treat them poorly or anything. The scientific definition until very recently was yes it is a mental illness. And that’s the quasi scientific nonsense of psychology so take it with a grain of salt.

So basically what we're down to is your feels and by god they will not be influenced because well just because. Willfully ignorant it is at the very least.
 

JEDIYoda

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So how’s that discussion going to bring him around from his “mental illness” viewpoint? Must be nice to have that much free time to have a pages long conversation with someone trying to change one solitary opinion that doesn’t matter much and isn’t likely to change. But you keep fighting that good fight and maybe he’ll come around someday. Probably about the same time as you get him to agree that rap music is a high art form just as worthy of recognition as “good” music like Percy Faith and Bing Crosby.
Dude you are on a role!!! made me laugh, but not for the reason you intended!!Gotta Love a good laugh though!!
 

JEDIYoda

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That’s wonderful that they followed public pressure and reclassified it as not a mental illness (when originally it was). I’m going to stick to their original interpretation though that yes it is a mental illness. It may be caused by differences in the brain, there are other mental illnesses that may be as well. Doesn’t change what it is though. Yes someone who wants to mutilate their body, pump hormones into it, create artificial breasts, and slice their penis up and turn it into a vagina has a mental illness. Yes.
Your really dense aren`t you??
 
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