We may not be able to police thoughts, but we absolutely should not tolerate any expression of hate speech or discrimination. If you can't at least be decent to others then you better keep it to yourself.
Thousands of people read these forums who never participate. Condoning hateful, archaic ideas is tantamount to loading the gun for some wacko to take things to the next violent step.
The idea that trans folk have a mental illness isn’t hateful any more than saying anyone else with a mental illness is mentally ill is hateful. I’m depressed, if you call me that it doesn’t mean you hate me.
where did you get your degree in psychology and/or psychiatry? and how long have you been practicing?Until recently. Previously it was defined as such. The change was bowing to public pressure. It being a mental illness isn’t is simply that, it’s not a reason to treat them poorly or anything. The scientific definition until very recently was yes it is a mental illness. And that’s the quasi scientific nonsense of psychology so take it with a grain of salt.
Listen, that newfound schizophrenia nonsense used to be considered demon possession. Take it with a grain of salt.where did you get your degree in psychology and/or psychiatry? and how long have you been practicing?
Listen, that newfound schizophrenia nonsense used to be considered demon possession. Take it with a grain of salt.
It comes from the University of Feels. And he graduated Magna cum fact proof.where did you get your degree in psychology and/or psychiatry? and how long have you been practicing?
What a load of crap. All you need is common sense here people, and not paragraphs of doctors finding reasons as to how they can rebrand transgenderism.
Pretty soon we will be hearing that pedophiles aren't mentally ill either, it's just that their "brain structure is different". Right.
As I said, mental illness appears to me to be a slippery concept, one that is in good part socially-constructed. Using it as a weapon against groups you disapprove of, in ways that aren't widely accepted or very clearly justified, is a political act, and people can call you on it.
I agree with this and think modern psychology is not really science so to quote it as such is meh.
What is "traditional" code for regressive social attitudes - sexism, homophobia, and a host of other terrible ideas of suppressing rights and calls of mental illness. Lot's of regressive attitudes. My wife's nephew is Trans and is FAR from "mentally ill". I’d be willing to wager that his coworkers and neighbors don’t know what his genitals look like. The assault on trans people is not independent of homophobia, but instead just those same homophobes finding an easier target to focus on. Most people don't know any openly trans people so they don't get as much support, and it's easier to be angry about 'men dressed as women infiltrating our bathrooms' when you don't understand the actual issue or know of any people that it applies to.
We still have elderly people who grew up in a time where homosexuality was considered disgusting and sinful. You had people coming of age where, as time passes, homosexuality was seen as simply a different way of doing things. Obviously, some people will never change, whatever speed we go to denying people, in America, rights and human decency won't matter to them. Progress is often made simply by the old bigots dying off, and being replaced by younger people with different attitudes.
So challenging the status quo in a visible and assertive manner is important, so that young people realize that there are possibilities other than the terrible choices advocated by their hypocritical overbearing ultra conservative parents and their religious leaders. It's also important, of course, because if you're LGBT and living in some podunk town in the Bible Belt, it may stop you committing suicide if you can realize that the attitudes you see around you every day are not shared by the whole world. And it's time for such a person to either, fight or leave that bigoted regressive area of the country behind them.
No doubt there are some people out there who might now grudgingly accept gay rights, but "draw the line" at trans rights. But I'm highly skeptical that any of these people were ever enthusiastically supportive of gay rights - they had to be dragged reluctantly to where they are. What we're seeing now with Trumpism - people who never really wanted to give up any of their privilege and bigotry becoming empowered to celebrate their regressive attitudes openly. The movement for transgender rights is just the latest cultural "hook" for homophobes to hang their homophobia on. If the entire trans-rights movement went totally silent starting tomorrow, the homophobes would simply have to think up a different reason to foment outrage against gays.
Well, it looks like you "think" (read: feel) wrong again. Par for the course.
What a load of crap. All you need is common sense here people, and not paragraphs of doctors finding reasons as to how they can rebrand transgenderism.
Pretty soon we will be hearing that pedophiles aren't mentally ill either, it's just that their "brain structure is different". Right.
No doubt there are some people out there who might now grudgingly accept gay rights, but "draw the line" at trans rights. But I'm highly skeptical that any of these people were ever enthusiastically supportive of gay rights - they had to be dragged reluctantly to where they are. What we're seeing now with Trumpism - people who never really wanted to give up any of their privilege and bigotry becoming empowered to celebrate their regressive attitudes openly. The movement for transgender rights is just the latest cultural "hook" for homophobes to hang their homophobia on. If the entire trans-rights movement went totally silent starting tomorrow, the homophobes would simply have to think up a different reason to foment outrage against gays.
What are you not silent on though, nothing in this thread other than people being called stupid is negative or hateful. The discussion itself is simply that, a discussion.
That’s wonderful and all. I’m stil of the opinion that someone willing to mutilate their body through fake breast implants (I think women who get this have some sort of a mental illness as well, just a socially accepted one), hormones pumped in their body, and a penis sliced up to become a vagina has a mental illness. Sorry but that will always be my opinion no matter how socially accepted it becomes.
My wife's nephew is Trans and is FAR from "mentally ill".
Im not sure anyone on here has expressed hate, what post are you referring to?
Until recently. Previously it was defined as such. The change was bowing to public pressure. It being a mental illness isn’t is simply that, it’s not a reason to treat them poorly or anything. The scientific definition until very recently was yes it is a mental illness. And that’s the quasi scientific nonsense of psychology so take it with a grain of salt.
What a load of crap. All you need is common sense here people, and not paragraphs of doctors finding reasons as to how they can rebrand transgenderism.
Pretty soon we will be hearing that pedophiles aren't mentally ill either, it's just that their "brain structure is different". Right.
Im not sure anyone on here has expressed hate, what post are you referring to?