Strange Rumors about Hammer

BD231

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We came across a very interesting rumor from Taiwan over at Digitimes. According to this rumor, AMD is considering the possibility to modify the design of its upcoming 64bit Hammer (K8) chips, and to be more exact to modify the integrated memory controller, which might acquire the support of the new DDR II memory standard (currently it supports only DDR333). Maybe it will also get dual-channel memory support as well. They explain this decision with the fact that K8 CPU are expected to start spreading worldwide only in 2003 (because of some problems with 0.13micron SOI process), and by that time DDR II is expected to arrive to the market. They also claim that this modification will affect the launching schedule for the Hammer processors and they will be postponed from October until December 2002.

To tell the truth, these rumors sound a little bit strange to us. First of all, it is very risky to start redesigning the chip, even slightly, half a year before its mass production, especially since the problems with the manufacturing technology do exist (the current Hammer samples work only at 800MHz instead of the desired 2GHz). And it would be especially risky to start making some major changes in the design, such as introducing the second memory channel.

However, all these rumors are not ungrounded and demonstrate the main bottleneck of hammer CPUs: poor scalability in terms of memory support caused by the integrated controller. Honestly, I didn?t like the idea from the very beginning, although AMD engineers know what they are doing, I suppose. As for the into about the delayed launching, you can simply disregard this info, because both months, October and December belong to Q4 when AMD was actually planning to release its 64bit desktop ClawHammer CPUs.

By the way, if they still redesign the chip, all the chipset makers will have to modify their solutions for K8 CPU. These will be not very big changes, of course, however, I doubt that the chipset manufacturers will like the idea. However, commenting on these rumors the officials from ALi, SiS and VIA claimed that even despite the possible memory controller redesign their chipsets will nevertheless be ready by the end of Q3 2002.

K.J. Chou, general manager of AMD Taiwan, said that so far they have not received notice from headquarters about the schedule or specification changes and they are still planning to introduce the new K8-based Athlon in the fourth quarter, with the workstation/server-use Opteron following later. Of course we have more credibility with the AMD representative rather than rumors, however, we all know very well that even company officials can sometimes conceal the actual intentions of their company


So what do you all think? Any truth to this rumor? Or is it crap?
 

Adul

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Has for manufacturing process, I would say it to early to comment on it. I am pretty sure hammer with be at 2 Ghz at launch. Now when that launch is another question. How for the changes to the memory controler. I wouldn't think it is all that bad f an idea to include support for ddr-II
 

BatmanNate

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I heard a rumor that their marketing director was about to get fired so now all the hammers have Rosie O'Donnell's ass etched into the die.



<EDIT> No link, sorry, it would just be too disturbing.
 

BD231

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Originally posted by: BatmanNate
I heard a rumor that their marketing director was about to get fired so now all the hammers have Rosie O'Donnell's ass etched into the die.



<EDIT> No link, sorry, it would just be too disturbing.


lol, disturbing indeed .
 

EdipisReks

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Originally posted by: BatmanNate
I heard a rumor that their marketing director was about to get fired so now all the hammers have Rosie O'Donnell's ass etched into the die.



<EDIT> No link, sorry, it would just be too disturbing.

so THAT is why they are adding a heat spreader over the die. *yuck* :disgust:
 

ViRGE

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I think that the Hammer will get the modifications mentioned, it'll just be in a later revision, much like the Tbird was to the original Athlon. AMD will upgrade the core as newer memory technologies come out.
 

RanDum72

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There is a real problem with the built-in memory controller not catching up with cutting edge memory technology in the future. This is one advantage of having the memory controller on the chipset. Having the memory controller on the CPU itself will tie it up with memory that was around when it was first brought into production. Maybe they are going to add some sort of memory bridge chip that can be easily upgradeable?
 

ElFenix

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i would expect AMD to have different mem controller versions of hammer shipping concurrently. it makes sense. really i don't see it as such a major difference. the chipset makers connect via hypertransport anyway, why does it matter what the mem controller on the hammer is? i don't get it. heck i wouldnt' be surprised if they have an rdram controller version as well since the integrated controller will have a far lower latency than going out to a northbridge then over to the RAM.
 

Wingznut

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If they are expecting to ship this processor in volume, in Q1 '03... They'd better already be manufacturing them.

To suggest a partial redesign at this stage is fairly close to ludicrous. Unless they are having that serious of problems, that this wouldn't be a major setback. If that's the case, don't expect to see Hammer until late Q2.

But that is the one of the more serious knocks on Hammer... The fact that it can only run DDR333. I mean, that's fine now... But what high end user will want "only" DDR 333 at this time next year?
 

SuperSix

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Originally posted by: BatmanNate
I heard a rumor that their marketing director was about to get fired so now all the hammers have Rosie O'Donnell's ass etched into the die.



<EDIT> No link, sorry, it would just be too disturbing.

LOL!
 

RanDum72

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wouldnt' be surprised if they have an rdram controller version as well since the integrated controller will have a far lower latency than going out to a northbridge then over to the RAM.

So are you saying that the Hammer will have different versions, like ' Hammer 1" would have a DDR333 memory controller, 'Hammer 2' would have an RDRAM controller and just for legacy support, ' Hammer 3' with PC133 SDRAM? And they manufacture all versions a
the same time? That doesn't make sense, it would make it more expensive to make.

How about a 'Grand Hammer' with support for all current memory technologies? That would also make it a more complex and more expensive chip to manufacture.
If the Hammer supports only one memory type, you would be tied up with it. Upgrading means replacing both CPU and motherboard.
 

Soccerman

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I don't see how you guys think this integrated mem-controller is a bad thing. it's quite easy for AMD to release an Opteron CPU alongside a chipset launch that allows for the use of, say, RDRAM or DDR II. I wouldn't be worried about AMD NOT upgrading their controller. the question is, how often (would it be the same frequency as the latest round of chipsets, from KT266(a) to KT333 to hopefully soon KT400? potentially it could be). I don't think there'd be that many 'double' chips lying around either though, becuase AMD would be going to faster memory while their CPU gets faster as well. the first round of CPU's could be DDR333 ready, and once they get to a certain mhz, they might switch to DDR II.
 
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