Street Fighter 4 Official Thread

[pennylane]

Originally posted by: peritusONE
So what are cross-ups?

Say you're Ken, standing on the left. Ryu is standing on the right. Ken jumps over Ryu and hits him with his jumping forward on the way down and lands on Ryu's right. So now Ryu is on the left and Ken is on the right.

So during the attack, Ken hits Ryu from the left, Ryu gets pushed back to the right, but Ken also lands to the right of Ryu.

That's a cross-up. It helps with combos because the opponent gets pushed into you when you land so you land "deeper." If you do a normal jump-in, you push the opponent away from you when you hit him.

 

[purbeast0]

so that wasnt too fun, i just went and unlocked everyone on ps3 right now other than seth.

i have no desire to play as seth so i probably just will not unlock him on ps3.

didnt take too long, like 70 minutes or so.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: fanerman91

Originally posted by: peritusONE
So what are cross-ups?

Say you're Ken, standing on the left. Ryu is standing on the right. Ken jumps over Ryu and hits him with his jumping forward on the way down and lands on Ryu's right. So now Ryu is on the left and Ken is on the right.

So during the attack, Ken hits Ryu from the left, Ryu gets pushed back to the right, but Ken also lands to the right of Ryu.

That's a cross-up. It helps with combos because the opponent gets pushed into you when you land so you land "deeper." If you do a normal jump-in, you push the opponent away from you when you hit him.

The simple act of switching sides during a combo or a mixup (offensive tactic) can be referred to a crossup. For example, if an opponent jumps toward you and you move underneath them such that you can hit them when they land, that would be a crossup as well. This generally works because they block the wrong way, do an attack in the air which leads to the loss of their trip guard (not sure if this applies in SF4), etc.

Let me see if I can find any vids showing this type of crossup...

EDIT: Ken does a crossup c.lk c.lk super right at 0:26 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGzdqc9pbfk and also a crossup throw at ~1:10... a crossup EX hurricane kick at 2:05 (which gets parried) and again at 2:11 but it whiffs

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Usually when talking about crossup though, they are talking about jumping over the opponnent during their wakeup or whiff or something and hitting deep (meaty, whatever) on their head or in their body so it is hard to tell which way they should block. You can get the hit to land on their opposite side so it is difficult to block.

 

[blurredvision]

So what does everyone's winning percentage look like? I think I'm still right around 27-28%. I'm fairly consistent . It seems like out of the 25 or so matches I've won, I typically beat someone who is around 500-1000 BP, but I lose to people with less than 500BP.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: peritusONE
So what does everyone's winning percentage look like? I think I'm still right around 27-28%. I'm fairly consistent . It seems like out of the 25 or so matches I've won, I typically beat someone who is around 500-1000 BP, but I lose to people with less than 500BP.

i really wish the win/loss numbers were split among ranked and non-ranked.

i had a few friends playing the other day and that kind of hurt my total win/loss numbers, and right now i'm getting my ass kicked quite a bit because i'm trying to learn Dhalsim and while i'm winning probably close to 50% of the matches thus far, it's still less than i typically have been when playing as other people.

i tihnk i'm around like 68% win.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: peritusONE
So what does everyone's winning percentage look like? I think I'm still right around 27-28%. I'm fairly consistent . It seems like out of the 25 or so matches I've won, I typically beat someone who is around 500-1000 BP, but I lose to people with less than 500BP.

i really wish the win/loss numbers were split among ranked and non-ranked.

i had a few friends playing the other day and that kind of hurt my total win/loss numbers, and right now i'm getting my ass kicked quite a bit because i'm trying to learn Dhalsim and while i'm winning probably close to 50% of the matches thus far, it's still less than i typically have been when playing as other people.

i tihnk i'm around like 68% win.

I think I'm at like 75% but yeah the stat needs to be split. I've won almost every game I've played with friends or in player matches but I've probably only won 55-60% of my ranked matches.

 

[ponyo]

Tonight was the first night I actually got to sit down and play for any length of time. I still don't have all the characters unlocked. I played quite bit online, mainly with Zangief. Won 38 out of 61 matches. Around 63%. About 90% of the characters I faced were Ryu/Ken. I lost quite a bit in the beginning as I was learning Zangief but later won lot of my matches. Had 7 and 8 game winning streaks. The Russian has lot of potential, especially against the shotos.

 

[Dumac]

This is my first SF, and oh god do I suck at it. I lost even on easiest arcade mode...

I didn't realize you could block until fighting Seth...

I should ready some more info about the game mechanics, but I felt like jumping in lol

 

[ChairShot]

my first time playing/buying any SF game. I like it so far. I like the fact that it can be a simple fighting game and at the same time, a complex one with lots of strategies. I'm looking forward to see some of you online (PSN - chairshotmyu).

So far, I like Zangief, sagat and the luchador El... something!

 

[JoPh]

hopefully game fly sends it out to me for this weekend. i want to try to

 

[Chrono]

ROFL. I was playing and it was insanely fun. I was beating down on this one guy masa179 or something. Ranked matches. I had 1200 points and he had 1700. He beat me the initial two rounds with Zangief I believe? Then afterwards I beat him down a good 10 rounds. ROFL. Good stuff!

 

[BenSkywalker]

why you say vega is a joke?

Tier rankings. Vega is the weakest character out of all of the arcade offerings, and he didn't undergo any changes coming home I honestly think even Dan will be higher ranked then Vega.

i've won a good amount of matches as him.

Skill>>>>>>differences between the fighters. In the hands of a top tier player, Vega isn't very good versus the others. Sagat, as always, is the best- Vega, unfortunately, is the poorest

 

[EvilYoda]

Man, I haven't played in a few days...I think I'll get in a few games tonight after Lost. If anybody's playing around 9 or 10 Arizona time, feel free to invite me to a game. I'll lose, but it'll be fun

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

why you say vega is a joke?

Tier rankings. Vega is the weakest character out of all of the arcade offerings, and he didn't undergo any changes coming home I honestly think even Dan will be higher ranked then Vega.

i've won a good amount of matches as him.

Skill>>>>>>differences between the fighters. In the hands of a top tier player, Vega isn't very good versus the others. Sagat, as always, is the best- Vega, unfortunately, is the poorest

i personally think the whole tier thing is absolutely pointless, so using that to base your decisin on who's good or not is kinda dumb imo.

and if you didn't know, the japanese nationals was won with a Dhalsim user against a Sagat user.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue4G49-jzU8

so again, i don't tihnk the whole tier thing really means much, because like you said, skill is what matters.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

why you say vega is a joke?

Tier rankings. Vega is the weakest character out of all of the arcade offerings, and he didn't undergo any changes coming home I honestly think even Dan will be higher ranked then Vega.

i've won a good amount of matches as him.

Skill>>>>>>differences between the fighters. In the hands of a top tier player, Vega isn't very good versus the others. Sagat, as always, is the best- Vega, unfortunately, is the poorest

i personally think the whole tier thing is absolutely pointless, so using that to base your decisin on who's good or not is kinda dumb imo.

and if you didn't know, the japanese nationals was won with a Dhalsim user against a Sagat user.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue4G49-jzU8

so again, i don't tihnk the whole tier thing really means much, because like you said, skill is what matters.

It doesn't mean that much but as a Sagat user I think he is the best. The game is balanced pretty well and anyone can win. I suck so I lose with Sagat a ton but Sagat has no bad matchups. His Tiger knee is just too powerful and has priority over almost everything. His ultra is so easy to link. He just has so many options.

But with all that said. He is not way better than everyone else. Things are pretty balanced in this game.

That Sagat player looked so confused when he was playing Iyo.


For 2 equally skilled players, the one not using Sagat has an uphill climb especially if he is using Honda or Vega or Guile or someone similarly average..

 

[UpgradeFailure]

I am rather enjoying playing as C. Viper.

 

[buzzsaw13]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

why you say vega is a joke?

Tier rankings. Vega is the weakest character out of all of the arcade offerings, and he didn't undergo any changes coming home I honestly think even Dan will be higher ranked then Vega.

i've won a good amount of matches as him.

Skill>>>>>>differences between the fighters. In the hands of a top tier player, Vega isn't very good versus the others. Sagat, as always, is the best- Vega, unfortunately, is the poorest

Those tiers are all wrong. Heres the latest list from Tougeki Damashi:

SF IV

S +
Sagat, Viper, Gouki, Zangief

S
Ryu, Bison, Rufus, Blanka

A
Chun li, Vega, Ken, Dalshim, Abel, Honda, Fuerte

B
Balrog, Guile

Balrog=Vega Bison=Balrog Vega=Bison for those who don't know the original names.

The tiers are so close together, so it's not really all that bad for a "low tier" character to win.

 

[pennylane]

Yeah the game is pretty balanced, but even the latest Japanese tiers may not be accurate because the new characters may throw things off.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: buzzsaw13

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

why you say vega is a joke?

Tier rankings. Vega is the weakest character out of all of the arcade offerings, and he didn't undergo any changes coming home I honestly think even Dan will be higher ranked then Vega.

i've won a good amount of matches as him.

Skill>>>>>>differences between the fighters. In the hands of a top tier player, Vega isn't very good versus the others. Sagat, as always, is the best- Vega, unfortunately, is the poorest

Those tiers are all wrong. Heres the latest list from Tougeki Damashi:

SF IV

S +
Sagat, Viper, Gouki, Zangief

S
Ryu, Bison, Rufus, Blanka

A
Chun li, Vega, Ken, Dalshim, Abel, Honda, Fuerte

B
Balrog, Guile

Balrog=Vega Bison=Balrog Vega=Bison for those who don't know the original names.

The tiers are so close together, so it's not really all that bad for a "low tier" character to win.

Heyyy, where's Fei Long? Not to mention Seth and Gouken

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: buzzsaw13

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

why you say vega is a joke?

Tier rankings. Vega is the weakest character out of all of the arcade offerings, and he didn't undergo any changes coming home I honestly think even Dan will be higher ranked then Vega.

i've won a good amount of matches as him.

Skill>>>>>>differences between the fighters. In the hands of a top tier player, Vega isn't very good versus the others. Sagat, as always, is the best- Vega, unfortunately, is the poorest

Those tiers are all wrong. Heres the latest list from Tougeki Damashi:

SF IV

S +
Sagat, Viper, Gouki, Zangief

S
Ryu, Bison, Rufus, Blanka

A
Chun li, Vega, Ken, Dalshim, Abel, Honda, Fuerte

B
Balrog, Guile

Balrog=Vega Bison=Balrog Vega=Bison for those who don't know the original names.

The tiers are so close together, so it's not really all that bad for a "low tier" character to win.

Heyyy, where's Fei Long? Not to mention Seth and Gouken

feilong is not in the arcade verson. pretty seth is not playable in the arcade versin, and not sure bout gouken.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: buzzsaw13

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

why you say vega is a joke?

Tier rankings. Vega is the weakest character out of all of the arcade offerings, and he didn't undergo any changes coming home I honestly think even Dan will be higher ranked then Vega.

i've won a good amount of matches as him.

Skill>>>>>>differences between the fighters. In the hands of a top tier player, Vega isn't very good versus the others. Sagat, as always, is the best- Vega, unfortunately, is the poorest

Those tiers are all wrong. Heres the latest list from Tougeki Damashi:

SF IV

S +
Sagat, Viper, Gouki, Zangief

S
Ryu, Bison, Rufus, Blanka

A
Chun li, Vega, Ken, Dalshim, Abel, Honda, Fuerte

B
Balrog, Guile

Balrog=Vega Bison=Balrog Vega=Bison for those who don't know the original names.

The tiers are so close together, so it's not really all that bad for a "low tier" character to win.

Heyyy, where's Fei Long? Not to mention Seth and Gouken

feilong is not in the arcade verson. pretty seth is not playable in the arcade versin, and not sure bout gouken.

I know, I was joking - thus the emoticon.

 

[jman19]

Pretty nasty Akuma/Gouki player: YouTube

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: buzzsaw13

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

why you say vega is a joke?

Tier rankings. Vega is the weakest character out of all of the arcade offerings, and he didn't undergo any changes coming home I honestly think even Dan will be higher ranked then Vega.

i've won a good amount of matches as him.

Skill>>>>>>differences between the fighters. In the hands of a top tier player, Vega isn't very good versus the others. Sagat, as always, is the best- Vega, unfortunately, is the poorest

Those tiers are all wrong. Heres the latest list from Tougeki Damashi:

SF IV

S +
Sagat, Viper, Gouki, Zangief

S
Ryu, Bison, Rufus, Blanka

A
Chun li, Vega, Ken, Dalshim, Abel, Honda, Fuerte

B
Balrog, Guile

Balrog=Vega Bison=Balrog Vega=Bison for those who don't know the original names.

The tiers are so close together, so it's not really all that bad for a "low tier" character to win.

Heyyy, where's Fei Long? Not to mention Seth and Gouken

feilong is not in the arcade verson. pretty seth is not playable in the arcade versin, and not sure bout gouken.

I know, I was joking - thus the emoticon.

yah that went over my head

and i really really need to start practicing these focus attacks. watchihng all these good players use them really shows how they can up your game if you play with tem properly.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: buzzsaw13

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

why you say vega is a joke?

Tier rankings. Vega is the weakest character out of all of the arcade offerings, and he didn't undergo any changes coming home I honestly think even Dan will be higher ranked then Vega.

i've won a good amount of matches as him.

Skill>>>>>>differences between the fighters. In the hands of a top tier player, Vega isn't very good versus the others. Sagat, as always, is the best- Vega, unfortunately, is the poorest

Those tiers are all wrong. Heres the latest list from Tougeki Damashi:

SF IV

S +
Sagat, Viper, Gouki, Zangief

S
Ryu, Bison, Rufus, Blanka

A
Chun li, Vega, Ken, Dalshim, Abel, Honda, Fuerte

B
Balrog, Guile

Balrog=Vega Bison=Balrog Vega=Bison for those who don't know the original names.

The tiers are so close together, so it's not really all that bad for a "low tier" character to win.

Heyyy, where's Fei Long? Not to mention Seth and Gouken

feilong is not in the arcade verson. pretty seth is not playable in the arcade versin, and not sure bout gouken.

I know, I was joking - thus the emoticon.

yah that went over my head

and i really really need to start practicing these focus attacks. watchihng all these good players use them really shows how they can up your game if you play with tem properly.

Yeah, I'm having a bit of trouble getting the FA timing down, especially for dash cancelling in to some pretty nasty combos... It seems like a lot of the best players (at least with regards to Shotos) do a great job of chipping away and countering until they can string together a combo using dash cancelling.