Street Fighter 4 Official Thread

[gorcorps]

Originally posted by: kabob983

Originally posted by: fanerman91
(assuming he beat you, if not, disregard) If all he needed to do was 2 moves over and over to beat you then... why should he bother doing anything else?

Yeah, he did beat me, but it was just so cheap, to the point I couldn't get a move off. It was "jump in the air squash, dash move thing, jump in the air squash, rinse repeat."

Meh, if it works and you don't know how to defend it then that's your own problem. Don't be a sore loser just because you couldn't figure out how to beat him. It's the same thing about the guy who bitched at me for 'not fighting on the ground' with Seth. He couldn't defend it, so that's his own problem.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: gorcorps

Originally posted by: kabob983

Originally posted by: fanerman91
(assuming he beat you, if not, disregard) If all he needed to do was 2 moves over and over to beat you then... why should he bother doing anything else?

Yeah, he did beat me, but it was just so cheap, to the point I couldn't get a move off. It was "jump in the air squash, dash move thing, jump in the air squash, rinse repeat."

Meh, if it works and you don't know how to defend it then that's your own problem. Don't be a sore loser just because you couldn't figure out how to beat him. It's the same thing about the guy who bitched at me for 'not fighting on the ground' with Seth. He couldn't defend it, so that's his own problem.

I agree. It's not his fault that he used moves that were effective against you. Learn how to counter them.

That is not something that warrants an "Avoid this player", since he did nothing wrong.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: gorcorps

Originally posted by: kabob983

Originally posted by: fanerman91
(assuming he beat you, if not, disregard) If all he needed to do was 2 moves over and over to beat you then... why should he bother doing anything else?

Yeah, he did beat me, but it was just so cheap, to the point I couldn't get a move off. It was "jump in the air squash, dash move thing, jump in the air squash, rinse repeat."

Meh, if it works and you don't know how to defend it then that's your own problem. Don't be a sore loser just because you couldn't figure out how to beat him. It's the same thing about the guy who bitched at me for 'not fighting on the ground' with Seth. He couldn't defend it, so that's his own problem.

I agree. It's not his fault that he used moves that were effective against you. Learn how to counter them.

That is not something that warrants an "Avoid this player", since he did nothing wrong.

i agree too.

in sf2 there were a lot of 'cheap' tactics, which seemed to be tactics that would get your ass kicked back in the 90's in an actual arcade. however, those were the same tactics that the top tier guys used.

now in sf4 i'm starting to accept these 'cheap' tactics, and one of those is throws. i won't try to throw someone every second I get, but i will toss you for sure if you are sitting there doing nothing. i also get tossed a lot if i'm doing the same.

but now instead of thinking of it as cheap, i figure out ways for it not to happen.

personally i haven't found any really 'cheap' stuff in sf4. and honestly kabob, what 2 moves was he doing over and over that you could not defend? the sumo smash and torpedo?

 

[buzzsaw13]

Originally posted by: kabob983

Originally posted by: fanerman91
(assuming he beat you, if not, disregard) If all he needed to do was 2 moves over and over to beat you then... why should he bother doing anything else?

Yeah, he did beat me, but it was just so cheap, to the point I couldn't get a move off. It was "jump in the air squash, dash move thing, jump in the air squash, rinse repeat."

There is no such thing as "cheap" in fighting games.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: buzzsaw13

Originally posted by: kabob983

Originally posted by: fanerman91
(assuming he beat you, if not, disregard) If all he needed to do was 2 moves over and over to beat you then... why should he bother doing anything else?

Yeah, he did beat me, but it was just so cheap, to the point I couldn't get a move off. It was "jump in the air squash, dash move thing, jump in the air squash, rinse repeat."

There is no such thing as "cheap" in fighting games.

Indeed. Fighting games aren't like MMOs, for example, where you can play long enough to get good enough to gear to just crush everyone. Fighting games are 100% skill. Either you can do it, or you can't.

 

[Chrono]

This week is my ELF week. I'm trying to get better at ELF. Kinda difficult at times because I'm not used to how he plays, but I am getting better at it. His loop requires a bit of training.

 

[Kabob]

Originally posted by: buzzsaw13

Originally posted by: kabob983

Originally posted by: fanerman91
(assuming he beat you, if not, disregard) If all he needed to do was 2 moves over and over to beat you then... why should he bother doing anything else?

Yeah, he did beat me, but it was just so cheap, to the point I couldn't get a move off. It was "jump in the air squash, dash move thing, jump in the air squash, rinse repeat."

There is no such thing as "cheap" in fighting games.

I guess I'm just old school...I remember in Tekken Tag there were combos that were just two to three moves over and over again that if the first connected the rest couldn't be avoided and were indefinite...so pretty much if you connect with the 1st the other player is dead. I call that cheap. I call using one or two moves over and over and over cheap.

Then again, my definitions are probably different as I've never been huge into vs games (other than Tekken Tag and the guys I played with were mostly "skilled" vs. "cheap"). I'd consider someone who only did fireballs in SF4 to be cheap as well...but that's just me.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: kabob983

Originally posted by: buzzsaw13

Originally posted by: kabob983

Originally posted by: fanerman91
(assuming he beat you, if not, disregard) If all he needed to do was 2 moves over and over to beat you then... why should he bother doing anything else?

Yeah, he did beat me, but it was just so cheap, to the point I couldn't get a move off. It was "jump in the air squash, dash move thing, jump in the air squash, rinse repeat."

There is no such thing as "cheap" in fighting games.

I guess I'm just old school...I remember in Tekken Tag there were combos that were just two to three moves over and over again that if the first connected the rest couldn't be avoided and were indefinite...so pretty much if you connect with the 1st the other player is dead. I call that cheap. I call using one or two moves over and over and over cheap.

Then again, my definitions are probably different as I've never been huge into vs games (other than Tekken Tag and the guys I played with were mostly "skilled" vs. "cheap"). I'd consider someone who only did fireballs in SF4 to be cheap as well...but that's just me.

someone who would only use fireballs in sf4 would get raped by anybody who has any skills.

i faced this akuma yesterday and all he was trying to do was zone me by jumping backwards and doing an airfireball, then sit back and throw the firey fireball. he would teleport when i tried to get over to him.

needless to say i completely raped him as both dhalsim and balrog.

oh and then on the last match, i picked Akuma and showed him how to play as Akuma by not zoning

 

[James3shin]

Man, I went to the darkside for a bit and played as Sagat for a few matches, the fucker is way too strong.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Haha yeah he is strong. Not so bad that he is way out of everyone elses league though. His ultra should maybe be toned down a bit because it is really easy to land and does a lot of damage. His Tiger knee has priority over almost every other move in the game and it is safe if done from the right distance.

I feel bad for only playing him but I got used to him in HDR where he really isn't that great after the nerfs. I need to learn someone else though I just don't know who. I like Balrog but I've never been great with chargers mostly because I never tried.

I'm not a great player though so his tier level doesn't really matter because I'm not playing him to his potential I'm sure.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Purebeast - you got a good Dhalsim? I need practice. I have a bad time with that fight against decent players.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
Purebeast - you got a good Dhalsim? I need practice. I have a bad time with that fight against decent players.

my dhalsim is getting there, nothing to write home about at all, but i have been having some success against people with him. sometimes though i get raped too.

vids like this make me want to get good with him.

http://blog-imgs-27.fc2.com/t/o/k/tokkablog/play.html?id=sm4941110

i also need to start trying to work focus attacks into my game. i'm having trouble being able to efficiently use them.

 

[buzzsaw13]

Originally posted by: kabob983

Originally posted by: buzzsaw13

Originally posted by: kabob983

Originally posted by: fanerman91
(assuming he beat you, if not, disregard) If all he needed to do was 2 moves over and over to beat you then... why should he bother doing anything else?

Yeah, he did beat me, but it was just so cheap, to the point I couldn't get a move off. It was "jump in the air squash, dash move thing, jump in the air squash, rinse repeat."

There is no such thing as "cheap" in fighting games.

I guess I'm just old school...I remember in Tekken Tag there were combos that were just two to three moves over and over again that if the first connected the rest couldn't be avoided and were indefinite...so pretty much if you connect with the 1st the other player is dead. I call that cheap. I call using one or two moves over and over and over cheap.

Then again, my definitions are probably different as I've never been huge into vs games (other than Tekken Tag and the guys I played with were mostly "skilled" vs. "cheap"). I'd consider someone who only did fireballs in SF4 to be cheap as well...but that's just me.

The solution to "cheap" combos is to never put yourself in the situation to get hit by them. That was the mindset for Super Turbo. When throws are 0 frame and you jumping does not have throw invul. from frame 1, the best strategy against it was to never put yourself in the situation.

 

[mxyzptlk]

Anyone else use Sakura as their main character? I've been a fan of hers ever since MvsC2, but it seems shes really weak in this one. Well at least when I lose, I can pretend it was because the other guy was sagat/ken/ryu and not because I suck so much..

Still, I've got a few simple combos that I can reliably pull off. My newest one is the EX-hurricane kick into that oro-something or other air juggle that she does. Looks cool, and it seems to put people into stun REALLY easily.

 

[gorcorps]

I got screwed out of my 10 rank wins in a row because of a early quitter today. Granted if I really deserved it I would have gotten it on the guy afterward but that's not how it happened =/

 

[Trader05]

ugg.im trying to beat the game with c.viper...what a PITA!!!...after this im going to start playing online

 

[pennylane]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
Anyone else use Sakura as their main character? I've been a fan of hers ever since MvsC2, but it seems shes really weak in this one. Well at least when I lose, I can pretend it was because the other guy was sagat/ken/ryu and not because I suck so much..

Still, I've got a few simple combos that I can reliably pull off. My newest one is the EX-hurricane kick into that oro-something or other air juggle that she does. Looks cool, and it seems to put people into stun REALLY easily.

Yeah that's her BnB. She's not top tier in this game or anything, unfortunately. She's still a lot of fun to us. She's been my main. I find all the "top tier" characters kind of boring (except Viper but she's so hard to play as). But so it goes...

 

[z0mb13]

Damn I am torn between buying a ps3 or getting a new HTPC..

The HTPC has more purpose, but then I have to wait til summer to play ps3

arghhh decisions decisions...

 

[ponyo]

I started playing as Balrog. I'm still learning his moves and when to use certain normal and specials. But even not knowing lot of stuff, I did decent with him online. It seems lot of people don't know how to fight against him or even know his moves. Guile was my main character back in the sf2 up to sf2t and Honda was my main character in ssf2t so I'm very comfortable using charge characters. It looks like Balrog can be played both offensively or defensively. I'm having difficulty pulling off the headbutt at will. It seems I can pull it off without any problem one minute and then have problems next. It's weird I never had any problem pulling off Guile flashkick. The move is charge down, up, punch, correct?

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: buzzsaw13

Originally posted by: kabob983

Originally posted by: fanerman91
(assuming he beat you, if not, disregard) If all he needed to do was 2 moves over and over to beat you then... why should he bother doing anything else?

Yeah, he did beat me, but it was just so cheap, to the point I couldn't get a move off. It was "jump in the air squash, dash move thing, jump in the air squash, rinse repeat."

There is no such thing as "cheap" in fighting games.

I have to disagree. Some fighting games have broken moves that act unfairly in a way unintended by the developer if used in a certain way.

That say, SF4 doesn't seem to have anything like that. It's a very balanced game with solid mechanics.

 

[gorcorps]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: buzzsaw13

Originally posted by: kabob983

Originally posted by: fanerman91
(assuming he beat you, if not, disregard) If all he needed to do was 2 moves over and over to beat you then... why should he bother doing anything else?

Yeah, he did beat me, but it was just so cheap, to the point I couldn't get a move off. It was "jump in the air squash, dash move thing, jump in the air squash, rinse repeat."

There is no such thing as "cheap" in fighting games.

I have to disagree. Some fighting games have broken moves that act unfairly in a way unintended by the developer if used in a certain way.

That say, SF4 doesn't seem to have anything like that. It's a very balanced game with solid mechanics.

After thinking the same thing for a while, I found a Blanka player today that just crouched w/ lightning all round. It was nearly fucking impossible to even touch him with Seth. I found out through trial and error that his high 'long arm' punch (like Dahlsim's) hits Blanka without taking any electric damage.

I'm not sure if there's an attack for every character that has priority over that BS, but there damn well better be. It was fucking bullshit to just sit there hitting him, taking damage as I found out what could get through that thing.

On another topic, I was having horrible network and connection issues tonight. I ended up searching 15 times before connecting to every match, and lots of those refreshes didn't even change anything. They put the same fucking people up from the last list that didn't work. There was a string of quick matches where I'd search, and all 3 that came up were the SAME DAMNED PERSON. So I'd search again, and it's the same person 3 times again. I love this game but there are some serious problems with a vital part of the experience. If they don't fix it soon I'm going to get too fed up to bother anymore. I can see a good chunk of the online crowd dieing away for that reason.

 

[stag3]

why didn't u just turtle and sonic boom his ass ? or was he just jumping to avoid them?
im sure seths uppercut > electricity , but i haven't tried him since i have no desire to use him haha

 

[purbeast0]

every player has something that takes priority over blanks electricity.

a lot of low kicks will knock him out of it.

the problem is that you need to be at a distance when you use the move, so that basically just your foot hits him, otherwise you get shocked.. like with dhalsims straight punch, only his hands hit him and not his arms/body.

also, yes, the quickmatch on Xbox360 is a god damn joke. it takes longer to find ranked matches than it does to play them. i've had the same exact problem gorcorps has. i have noticed though that putting player request on ranked mode and playing arcade mode seems to get matches faster.

but still, it's a joke. this doesn't happen on PS3 either. you finish a match, go to quick match, see 3 guys (and it will even show the bars for the players most of the time, won't just be blinking), and pick one and 9/10 times it works fine. xbox360 is the exact opposite, 9-10 times it WONT work.

 

[jjzelinski]

Holy crap I'm getting my ass handed to me Ryu's trial 4 where you have to jump heavy punch into a heavy kick and finally his super. I can't get the heavy kick to cancel for the life of me1 Any suggestions??

 

[gorcorps]

Originally posted by: stag3
why didn't u just turtle and sonic boom his ass ? or was he just jumping to avoid them?
im sure seths uppercut > electricity , but i haven't tried him since i have no desire to use him haha

Sonic booms go right over his head when he's turtling like that