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purbeast0

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Originally posted by: Chrono
Gen's not that difficult to use. He's actually kinda fun. As for Championship points, how many points do you people presently have? I'm at 5600GP I believe. I switch my mains constantly, so let's say I win with Ryu, but for the next match I'll use Chun Li/Abel/Elf/Guile/Viper. The least interesting character I've played as has to be Dhalsim. He's just so boring since his game is zoning.

i dunno the only thing about Gen that really gets me is the following...

1. His crossover is hard as shit to see coming as it does not look like he's goign to jump over you.
2. You can juggle into his super and then continue that into his ultra.

those are the 2 things that i ALWAYS get caught with. Also, Gen really doesn't have any really punishable attacks. that '100 hand slap' that he has you can't even punish if you block it. well i guess his kicks he bounces off the wall you can punish easily, but the smarter Gen's don't use that unless they know it will hit or has a good chance at hitting.

i currently have just under 7900GP. i think i will eventually get to G1, but i do NOT think I will ever get to GS heh.
 

ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
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Little over 2500GP here. I'm trying to use Honda exclusively unless it's a rematch with someone I lost earlier. I need lot of work but I see the potential with Honda after watching couple Youtube videos. I just learned the power of the "hundred hands slap." I was rarely using it because I didn't understand it. I now know you have to push the punch button 5 times to activate it and the strength of the last punch determines which HHS comes out. His fierce HHS pushes him forward quite a bit which is great ticking life off opponents and pressuring them. I need to get the crouching lp, mp, fp, lp, fp sequence down pat so I can start the tick with the simple jab HHS or just jab if it misses. I wish I took piano lessons as it would help quite a bit. I'm just going to have to train my hand and finger muscles while I work and watch TV so I can get that sequence down without thinking. If I still can't get it, I'm going to give up on Honda as that's critical move to playing Honda effectively.
 

Dangerer

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Originally posted by: Chrono
Gen's not that difficult to use. He's actually kinda fun. As for Championship points, how many points do you people presently have? I'm at 5600GP I believe. I switch my mains constantly, so let's say I win with Ryu, but for the next match I'll use Chun Li/Abel/Elf/Guile/Viper. The least interesting character I've played as has to be Dhalsim. He's just so boring since his game is zoning.

lol i do the opposite. I usually play one of my weaker characters usually ryu, dictator or boxer for the first match, and if i win i use sagat till I lose, but my alts are ridiculously weak and it can take sometimes 5 matches before i advance to the 2nd battle.

Originally posted by: purbeast0
i dunno the only thing about Gen that really gets me is the following...

1. His crossover is hard as shit to see coming as it does not look like he's goign to jump over you.
2. You can juggle into his super and then continue that into his ultra.

those are the 2 things that i ALWAYS get caught with. Also, Gen really doesn't have any really punishable attacks. that '100 hand slap' that he has you can't even punish if you block it. well i guess his kicks he bounces off the wall you can punish easily, but the smarter Gen's don't use that unless they know it will hit or has a good chance at hitting.

Gen is one of my worst match ups. I think i'm at like a 40% win rate against gen's online. Most of it is due to the fact that I hardly ever face them, and when I do, I literally get clowned on. I'm pretty much forced to play a super turtle game against Gen's since practically every single attack of his is safe. I pretty much take damage until I get ultra, and turtle until he does the dive kick at me and ultra on reaction against it.

Without playing him too much, I would say he's not too difficult to use overall. A character like viper I would say is the most difficult to use, since you literally cannot win with her unless you have amazing precision, and she's pretty damn godly once you get that part down. Fuerte would also be pretty hard too since the loop is probably the hardest thing to learn in this game and it's the heart of his game.

Vega isn't really hard to use, he just sucks really bad and the only way to win is to have really good fundamentals to overcome the obvious brick walls of his move set being garbage.

Originally posted by: Naustica
Little over 2500GP here. I'm trying to use Honda exclusively unless it's a rematch with someone I lost earlier. I need lot of work but I see the potential with Honda after watching couple Youtube videos. I just learned the power of the "hundred hands slap." I was rarely using it because I didn't understand it. I now know you have to push the punch button 5 times to activate it and the strength of the last punch determines which HHS comes out. His fierce HHS pushes him forward quite a bit which is great ticking life off opponents and pressuring them. I need to get the crouching lp, mp, fp, lp, fp sequence down pat so I can start the tick with the simple jab HHS or just jab if it misses. I wish I took piano lessons as it would help quite a bit. I'm just going to have to train my hand and finger muscles while I work and watch TV so I can get that sequence down without thinking. If I still can't get it, I'm going to give up on Honda as that's critical move to playing Honda effectively.

Have you checked out Mike Ross clips on youtube? Easily the best honda in the US right now.

Also instead of hitting fp, have you tried drumming lp and mp to get HHS out? I personally find I can drum it out a lot faster that way.
 

ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
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Originally posted by: Dangerer

Have you checked out Mike Ross clips on youtube? Easily the best honda in the US right now.

Also instead of hitting fp, have you tried drumming lp and mp to get HHS out? I personally find I can drum it out a lot faster that way.

I haven't checked him out although I've heard he's the best US Honda player. The clips I've seen are the ones that showed the jab HHS like this and this.

I tried both methods, and I'm more accurate with the lp,mp,hp,lp,hp method. I tried drumming lp and mp but I tend to mess up and the light version of the HHS comes out which has no range. My finger speed is still painfully slow and my success rate is only like 15-20% right now. I picked Honda because I thought he had easy button presses... I might have to give up on him if I can't improve my finger strength and dexterity pretty soon.
 

JoPh

Diamond Member
Aug 8, 2002
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gg chrono. gens crossup is weird as hell... finally squeaked a victory in even if it was agaisnt gen
 

pontifex

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Dec 5, 2000
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do you guys play with friends at your place, only online, or what? Was at target today and thought about getting SF4 but I don't have any one to play it with. i'd just be playing strangers online. don't know if that takes away some of the fun or not.
 

WraithETC

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May 15, 2005
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Online can be funner than friends in this situation because its always 1 vs 1 anyways. Its not like a team based game where communication is key. The majority of people are terrible at fighters so chances are your friends probably aern't very good which means after awhile they won't want to play you because you've gotten better over time.

Now the difference is offline vs online. Online theres a fair amount of bullshit and compensation you eventually make due to any lag at all. Offline there is obviously no lag so you get better gameplay because you can actually use more techniques without fear of getting lag owned.
 

JoPh

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Aug 8, 2002
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i just play random people online and chrono from here. since i am awful i tend to lose a lot. but i oh well. my playing time has died down. its fun overall though.
 

JJChicken

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Originally posted by: pontifex
do you guys play with friends at your place, only online, or what? Was at target today and thought about getting SF4 but I don't have any one to play it with. i'd just be playing strangers online. don't know if that takes away some of the fun or not.

it hasn't for me
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: Dangerer
looks pretty damn solid, did u dual pcb mod it for both consoles?

yea, that switch in the middle front hole is what tells it which console to work for. my other happ one is like that as well, so now i have 2 joysticks that will work on both consoles
 

EvilYoda

Lifer
Apr 1, 2001
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Alright, after months of not touching the game, I just ordered a TE stick on gamestop.com. FINALLY, I can get my ass kicked by you guys!

It'll probably take a week or so for shipping, it seems...their "processing" was listed at like 5-10 days.
 

bl4ckfl4g

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Madcatz SF4 Xbox360 TE fight sticks in stock at bestbuy.com

Just ordered one. I like the button layout better on it than my HRAP EX.
 

RyanPaulShaffer

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Jul 13, 2005
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I had a lovely time playing online the other day...I'm ranked like 600 something, and my matches went something like this:

1600, 2400, 1800, 1300, 2500, 5000, 2200, 1200, 800, 600

:roll:
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
I had a lovely time playing online the other day...I'm ranked like 600 something, and my matches went something like this:

1600, 2400, 1800, 1300, 2500, 5000, 2200, 1200, 800, 600

:roll:

so why don't you search by similar skill instead of quickmatch? that will solve the problem. and i'm assuming yo uare talking about Ranked mode.

on another note, i hit 9k last night in Championship mode, hoping to make it to g1-A by next weekend if I have time heh. it was funny cause i was helping my wife with some work stuff, and between helping her i would just jump into matches. i was playing very well for playign very casually last night and won like 2 championships and came runner up another time.
 

RyanPaulShaffer

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
I had a lovely time playing online the other day...I'm ranked like 600 something, and my matches went something like this:

1600, 2400, 1800, 1300, 2500, 5000, 2200, 1200, 800, 600

:roll:

so why don't you search by similar skill instead of quickmatch? that will solve the problem. and i'm assuming yo uare talking about Ranked mode.

on another note, i hit 9k last night in Championship mode, hoping to make it to g1-A by next weekend if I have time heh. it was funny cause i was helping my wife with some work stuff, and between helping her i would just jump into matches. i was playing very well for playign very casually last night and won like 2 championships and came runner up another time.

Actually, I create matches...hmm...that might be my problem, though my understanding with trying to match by skill is that it "tries its best" to get a similar match, meaning you still have a very good chance to get 600 VS 5000 if there aren't enough people on.

:-\
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
I had a lovely time playing online the other day...I'm ranked like 600 something, and my matches went something like this:

1600, 2400, 1800, 1300, 2500, 5000, 2200, 1200, 800, 600

:roll:

so why don't you search by similar skill instead of quickmatch? that will solve the problem. and i'm assuming yo uare talking about Ranked mode.

on another note, i hit 9k last night in Championship mode, hoping to make it to g1-A by next weekend if I have time heh. it was funny cause i was helping my wife with some work stuff, and between helping her i would just jump into matches. i was playing very well for playign very casually last night and won like 2 championships and came runner up another time.

Actually, I create matches...hmm...that might be my problem, though my understanding with trying to match by skill is that it "tries its best" to get a similar match, meaning you still have a very good chance to get 600 VS 5000 if there aren't enough people on.

:-\

if you create a match people can find you easily in quickmatch so you can be matched with anyone. if you search based on similar skill it works pretty well. i've seen discrepencies of like 1k or so but that's it, and that was once i hit over 3k.
 

EvilYoda

Lifer
Apr 1, 2001
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Alright, so let me ask some questions: those of you on PS3, how do I go about seeing if people are online? I've never used the PS3/PSN for anything other than a blu-ray player. I know there's a list of handles in the OP - do I just add them as friends?

Other than that, when do people play? I'm in Phoenix, so I'm on PST right now.
 

RyanPaulShaffer

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Jul 13, 2005
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Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
I had a lovely time playing online the other day...I'm ranked like 600 something, and my matches went something like this:

1600, 2400, 1800, 1300, 2500, 5000, 2200, 1200, 800, 600

:roll:

so why don't you search by similar skill instead of quickmatch? that will solve the problem. and i'm assuming yo uare talking about Ranked mode.

on another note, i hit 9k last night in Championship mode, hoping to make it to g1-A by next weekend if I have time heh. it was funny cause i was helping my wife with some work stuff, and between helping her i would just jump into matches. i was playing very well for playign very casually last night and won like 2 championships and came runner up another time.

Actually, I create matches...hmm...that might be my problem, though my understanding with trying to match by skill is that it "tries its best" to get a similar match, meaning you still have a very good chance to get 600 VS 5000 if there aren't enough people on.

:-\

if you create a match people can find you easily in quickmatch so you can be matched with anyone. if you search based on similar skill it works pretty well. i've seen discrepencies of like 1k or so but that's it, and that was once i hit over 3k.

Thanks for the tip! :thumbsup:
 

NaOH

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Mar 2, 2006
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are there any retailers that sell the joysticks? I'm looking for TE or a cheap place to get one of the HORIs
 

NaOH

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Mar 2, 2006
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NM, I found this one available Text. Is there a lot of soldering involved to upgrade this one? I figure, I'd use it for a while and then upgrade down the line as I learn.
 

Dangerer

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Mar 15, 2005
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depends on the parts you get. Sanwa OBSF-30 would snap in without the need of soldering or even using a screw driver. The JLF stick also requires no soldering, just a screw driver. I'd recommend a TE stick anyway since the SE sticks feel kind of cheap and upgrading them costs near as much as buying a TE outright.
 
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