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randay

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obviously its the horse meat. i think they need to start testing for it. suspend anyone who eats it. its the only way to make a level playing field.
 

Woosta

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People completely underestimate great genetics combined with proper eating and years of strictness. Some people are just naturally freaky genetically gifted.

He was starving himself to make LHW... he ALWAYS had the frame to look like Goku. He was in his early 20s.. now he's 30ish and unless he fails a piss test I say he's completely legit.

PS: I'll address Crazee soon.
 
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QueBert

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People completely underestimate great genetics combined with proper eating and years of strictness. Some people are just naturally freaky genetically gifted.

He was starving himself to make LHW... he ALWAYS had the frame to look like Goku. He was in his early 20s.. now he's 30ish and unless he fails a piss test I say he's completely legit.

PS: I'll address Crazee soon.

yes, because great genetics will lead to a persons skull getting 40% larger. If it's not roids, he has some sort sort of disease.
 

snoopdoug1

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People completely underestimate great genetics combined with proper eating and years of strictness. Some people are just naturally freaky genetically gifted.

He was starving himself to make LHW... he ALWAYS had the frame to look like Goku. He was in his early 20s.. now he's 30ish and unless he fails a piss test I say he's completely legit.

PS: I'll address Crazee soon.

So you know that Overroid has been eating properly? You know he has great genetics? You know he was starving himself to make LHW? Unless he's your personal friend I don't know how you could KNOW all of that.

That said - he hasn't failed a test yet so I can't say he's doing the juice... it does look like it though.
 

Duder1no

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Fedor may step back into the tourney

there's talks of him facing the loser of Overeem vs Verdum
 

TheNinja

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Oh, I see how it works. Its double elimination for ONE fighter when things don't go how they planned.

When that 1 fighter is the cash cow of Strikeforce and especially M-1 Global....I guess ya, he gets another shot. I'm a HUGE Fedor fan, but this would kill the legitimacy of the tournament.

Shane Del Rosario right won the first shot at the tournament IF someone gets hurt and/or can't continue. He should keep that right regardless of the Fedor situation.

If they are just talking about Fedor vs the loser of Overeem/Werdum as a sort of "superfight" outside of the tourney, them I'm all for it though.
 

TheNinja

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So you know that Overroid has been eating properly? You know he has great genetics? You know he was starving himself to make LHW? Unless he's your personal friend I don't know how you could KNOW all of that.

That said - he hasn't failed a test yet so I can't say he's doing the juice... it does look like it though.

Of course he was starving himself, or at least eating less. People act like you pop a few steroids and all of a sudden you gain 30 pounds of muscle. Even IF he was on steroids he obviously upped his caloric intake BIG TIME and worked out hardcore that's a fact. Another fact, he has good genetics. If he didn't, I don't care if he took 2 semi truck loads of steroids, he's not getting as big as he is with that little body fat unless he has decent genetics.

Again, I'm not saying he's legit, but I'm not ruling out the fact that he isn't just b/c "he looks huge and ripped".
 

snoopdoug1

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Of course he was starving himself, or at least eating less. People act like you pop a few steroids and all of a sudden you gain 30 pounds of muscle. Even IF he was on steroids he obviously upped his caloric intake BIG TIME and worked out hardcore that's a fact. Another fact, he has good genetics. If he didn't, I don't care if he took 2 semi truck loads of steroids, he's not getting as big as he is with that little body fat unless he has decent genetics.

Again, I'm not saying he's legit, but I'm not ruling out the fact that he isn't just b/c "he looks huge and ripped".

Which lift do you do to increase skull size?
 

the DRIZZLE

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Of course he was starving himself, or at least eating less. People act like you pop a few steroids and all of a sudden you gain 30 pounds of muscle. Even IF he was on steroids he obviously upped his caloric intake BIG TIME and worked out hardcore that's a fact. Another fact, he has good genetics. If he didn't, I don't care if he took 2 semi truck loads of steroids, he's not getting as big as he is with that little body fat unless he has decent genetics.

Again, I'm not saying he's legit, but I'm not ruling out the fact that he isn't just b/c "he looks huge and ripped".

People don't say he took steroids only because of his size. Its not like he was completely untrained and gained 30lbs in a year. He had already been training for years and then gained 30-40lbs of muscle in a year. Thats just not possible just by upping your caloric intake.
 

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If they are just talking about Fedor vs the loser of Overeem/Werdum as a sort of "superfight" outside of the tourney, them I'm all for it though.
My definition of super fight is a bit different. It does not involve both participants having lost their last fights.
 

Duder1no

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Shane Carwin twitter defends Fedor Emelianenko's legacy



"I have nothing but respect for Fedor. We all lose, that is the one thing you can be sure of in MMA. He is still a GOAT imo ... you lose two fights and end up with a 31-3 record and people question his relevance. I do not get it. HoF inductees are 19-10 & 25-15."

Only as good as your last fight? Not according to former UFC heavyweight number one contender Shane Carwin, who defends the career of Strikeforce heavyweight attraction Fedor Emelianenko via his official Twitter account.

The "Emperor" was "Last" in the promotion's heavyweight grand prix tournament, falling to Antonio Silva on Feb. 12 in East Rutherford, NJ, to drop to 1-2 as a Strikeforce employee.

Carwin also compares the Russian juggernaut's 31-3 record to some of his Zuffa brethren like Randy Couture, who stands tall in the UFC Hall of Fame with a record of 19-10.

The outspoken Carwin has taken a stance ... are you on his side?
 

RPD

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It's nice his wwbma or whatever belt (which was supposed to be up for grabs every fight) has mysteriously not been on the line the last two losses.
 

QueBert

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It's nice his wwbma or whatever belt (which was supposed to be up for grabs every fight) has mysteriously not been on the line the last two losses.

True but to be fair to Fedor, neither Werdum or Bigfoot want any part of the embarrassment which is the Wamma belt. Funny how Fedor acts like he doesn't fight for belts, but he's more than happy to display his Wamma one.
 

waggy

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It's nice his wwbma or whatever belt (which was supposed to be up for grabs every fight) has mysteriously not been on the line the last two losses.

last loss was in a tourney so yeah it shouldn't have been up.
 

Crazee

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last loss was in a tourney so yeah it shouldn't have been up.

The loss before that wasn't a tourney so he shouldn't have it then it wouldn't have been up in the tourney anyway unless Werdum put it up against Overroid.
 

QueBert

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The loss before that wasn't a tourney so he shouldn't have it then it wouldn't have been up in the tourney anyway unless Werdum put it up against Overroid.

Fedor make his own rules, his WAMMA belt's only on the line w hen he feels like it. Hell he could very well pop back up in this tourny even after he got his ass smashed. He apparently gets a lot of privileges no other MMA fighter does. Watch him get back in the tourny, lose again and somehow still show up in the finals a 3rd time.
 

Crazee

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Fedor make his own rules, his WAMMA belt's only on the line w hen he feels like it. Hell he could very well pop back up in this tourny even after he got his ass smashed. He apparently gets a lot of privileges no other MMA fighter does. Watch him get back in the tourny, lose again and somehow still show up in the finals a 3rd time.

I know the WAMMA belt is a joke. I was just pointing out that even if he gets a walk for not putting it on the line in a tourney he doesn't get a walk for the Werdum fight. The sad thing is that Fedor has been an incredible fighter, but it's things like this, his wacky management, and possibly getting back into this tourney that will tarnish his legacy if they aren't careful.

I have a lot respect for Fedor as a fighter and I think he is unquestionably the greatest heavyweight MMA has seen thus far. He needs to decide if he is going to do what is necessary (change his training) to see if he can get back to the top or if he is going to continue to do business as usual and watch his legacy get tarnished.
 

duragezic

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Fedor plans to compete at the Russian Sambo Championships this week? Dude just got pounded on and two weeks later wants to compete in sambo? What a beast!

I know he took 3rd in the 2008 World Champs, but he went back and won the 2009 Russian one, but I can't find if he even then went to the World championship. Then in 2010 he injured his hand thus took sixth in the Russian championship so it makes sense he wouldn't be going to the world championship for 2010 but not sure what happened in 2009.
 

Pantlegz

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Shane Carwin twitter defends Fedor Emelianenko's legacy





Only as good as your last fight? Not according to former UFC heavyweight number one contender Shane Carwin, who defends the career of Strikeforce heavyweight attraction Fedor Emelianenko via his official Twitter account.

The "Emperor" was "Last" in the promotion's heavyweight grand prix tournament, falling to Antonio Silva on Feb. 12 in East Rutherford, NJ, to drop to 1-2 as a Strikeforce employee.

Carwin also compares the Russian juggernaut's 31-3 record to some of his Zuffa brethren like Randy Couture, who stands tall in the UFC Hall of Fame with a record of 19-10.

The outspoken Carwin has taken a stance ... are you on his side?

I don't think anyone can come up with a better heavy weight, looking and their entire career, than Fedor. He is an absolute beast and his legacy will be hard to top. I mean the guy has gone 31-3 in MMA that is basically perfect, like he says Couture has a record basically 2:1 and is still considered one of the greats, how could you count Fedor out? The argument I would make is if Fedor wants to stay relevant he needs to change up his training, which I highly doubt will happen. It is kind of like saying that Royce Gracie isn't/wasn't a great fighter because Hughes beat him. Royce in his prime was a monster, and basically made the sport what it is today. Him losing is due to 2 factors, imo, his age and more importantly he didn't change up his training. I think Fedor is going to have a hard time keeping up with the 'new age' of fighters. Styles change, strategies change, fighters have to change with them or get left behind.
 
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