I don't know why people have such a problem with the opponents Fedor has faced. When you look at other top ranked HWs like Dos Santos, Cain, etc... they only have a few wins against top opponents.
he has fought bigger and won. But not this time.
though i do agree size trumps speed and skill nearly every time. Fedor finally fought someone with size and skill.
also fedor is at the end where Silvia is at the start.
Fedor has fought more top 10 guys in the last 4 years than any other HW. Can you statistically refute my statement? If so please do it. Otherwise you are simply wrong.
Fedor way to pass up MILLIONS from UFC for a 1-2 record in SF. DONE. Hes used goods now.
Can you statistically prove your statement? You are the one that made the statement, shouldn't you support the facts?
Just admit it. You are a Fedor fanatic, and it clouds your judgment to see things how they really are. I could rip off a list of 25 people in the HW and LHW division that would destroy Fedor.
I don't know why people have such a problem with the opponents Fedor has faced. When you look at other top ranked HWs like Dos Santos, Cain, etc... they only have a few wins against top opponents.
Just did. See the edited post.
There aren't 25 HW/LHWs that can destroy Fedor. Even Fedor haters would laugh at that statement, that's blind zealous Fedor hatred right there.
It's a shame there's so much hatred towards a man so humble and professional, a legend.
His time in Affliction was weird. I would have thought him to be the highest paid by far. Against Tim Sylvia, Fedor's base pay was $300k while Tim's was $800k!! Heck Big Ben Rothwell almost got as much as Fedor. Arlovski got $750k.
Then he wins and is the WAMMA champ, yet in the next event, he still got $300k while Arlovski got $1.5 million (!!!). The Affliction salaries were all pretty crazy, but Fedor's was relatively very low I thought. I know there are a lot of other parts of his compensation, but man his base pay never seemed that high.
Yeah I'm a Fedor fan but I can understand criticisms about him. But to say he's fought cans while these other guys have all top wins is false. And to say 25 LHW/HW would destroy him is just absurd.They make strawman arguments.
Yeah, that statement is silly. I would say they are 10 people who can hang with the guy as he is currently with the fighting going either way. After seeing Anderson Silva's performance in UFC 126, I actually tend to believe even at a catch weight, he would destroy Fedor. Silva is so damn fast, I just cannot believe it. You blink and then guy does a leg stomp on you. Seriously, the guy is blazing fast and that is coming from a guy who wanted to see Vitor win.
Oh well, the next superfight that I want to see is GSP Versus Silva. I put my money on Silva, personally, although GSP is incredable as well.
Just did. See the edited post.
There aren't 25 HW/LHWs that can destroy Fedor. Even Fedor haters would laugh at that statement, that's blind zealous Fedor hatred right there.
It's a shame there's so much hatred towards a man so humble and professional, a legend.
That is a pretty simplistic look at it. For all we know, he made 10 million at SF. Without being at the negotiations how can anyone make such such a statement? Do you know what Fedor was going to make? Really? Do you know what he makes now?
I bet you hate Jon Jones and think Shogun is going to destroy him. I know your type. You've been an MMA fan for an X amount of years, longer than most. You like the "old guard", and if you see new fighters or fans endangering what you believe to be true you get very defensive.
I"m not a Fedor hater, I like watching him fight. I think he's exciting and willing to take chances. But he's just not the level of a lot of the fighters today. He failed to adapt to the changing times and now he looks like a shadow of his former self.
I"m not a Fedor hater, I like watching him fight. I think he's exciting and willing to take chances. But he's just not the level of a lot of the fighters today. He failed to adapt to the changing times and now he looks like a shadow of his former self.
I don't hate Jon Jones; he's actually one of my favorite fighters. Go read any of my posts mentioning him - I have always given him props. I think he has the best chance out of *ANY* LHW to beat Shogun. When Machida was on his undefeated streak I said Bones would beat him. I do however favor Shogun but Bones is easily my 2nd fav LHW.
And as for the people who say I'm so anti-UFC, if I was then I'd have Mousasi as a favorite against UFC's Shogun or UFC's Bones, right? No. I have Machida, Shogun, Rampage, Bones as heavy favorites over Mousasi/Feijao. The best LHWs are definitely in the UFC.
I think Wanderlei Silva would lose to any top 10 LHW nowadays. He's definitely past his prime and he's one of the fighters from the "old guard" who is really nearing retirement.
I support my fighters but I'm not blind and dumb.
Rua
Machida
Evans
Jackson
Jones
Couture
Griffin
Barry
Carwin
Dos Santos
Lesnar
Mir
Mitrione
Nelson (yes he could)
Valesquez
All could beat Fedor. I think fedor has a 50/50 shot against a few of them. But most I would consider him a sizable underdog. Those are just the guys in the UFC that could stomp him. I wont even go into the other promotions.
You certainly are blind and dumb when it comes to Fedor.
Fedor has fought more top 10 guys in the last 4 years than any other HW. Can you statistically refute my statement? If so please do it. Otherwise you are simply wrong.
Bigfoot
Werdum
Arlovski
Sylvia
Rogers
5 top 10 HWs and 3-2 against them.
Cain Velasquez: Big Nog, Brock Lesnar
Brock Lesnar: Mir, Carwin, Cain, Couture
JDS: Werdum, maybe Nelson if you count him
Carwin: Lesnar, Mir
Mir: Carwin, Brock, Big Nog
Rua
Machida
Evans
Jackson
Jones
Couture
Griffin
Barry
Carwin
Dos Santos
Lesnar
Mir
Mitrione
Nelson (yes he could)
Valesquez
All could beat Fedor. I think fedor has a 50/50 shot against a few of them. But most I would consider him a sizable underdog. Those are just the guys in the UFC that could stomp him. I wont even go into the other promotions.
That is actually a fair statement. I think MMA has evolved, just like any sport. Just like I laugh when people say the 1972 Dolphan's would beat any NFL team today. It is just silly, there is like a 50 weight increase across the entire team per person, and they are faster and quicker! I just shake my head when I hear people make those statements. For their time, the team was awesome. But this is today people, and they are now better.
Fedor was a great fighter for his time. His time has now past. We should not disrespect him like many do. The guy had a great run. Beat a lot of talent, and also beat a lot of no-names. Not a lot different than any other fight, right?
Oh well, bummer that some people are so one sided that includes "Fedor can do no wrong", and also "Fedor was never any good" Stop with the BS people.
Well, that list is someone silly because anyone 'could' beat fedor. It isn't who 'could beat him' but who would beat him. I don't agree with that list. Doesn't matter though, as this is down to opinion.
Which does remind me. Nelson is one of my favorite fighters. If he would have adapted in the JDS fight, I think he could have pulled a win. The guy kept a defensive stance that allowed massive uppercuts. Probably the strongest chin in the sport.
I'm not one of those that thinks "he was never any good". For a 2 or 3 year span he was a top 3 heavyweight. But he's never been the P4P king that other people try give him credit for.