Okay Woosta talk about missing the whole point of my post to you. You stated that the Strikeforce HW division is FAR BETTER than the UFC. You have done nothing in your reply to establish that. You spent the whole post misinterpreting many things I posted and defending Strikeforce HW division but not showing how they are "far better."
Yes Fedor is 32-3 but he is also 0-2 in his last two fights. He had his ass handed to him by Silva who in your own words "is a legit top 10, arguably top 8 guy." I would agree with that assessment. So Fedor got his ass handed to him by a guy who is arguably a top 8 guy and Brock got his ass handed to him by Cain who is universally accepted as the top HW right now. You called Brock a joke yet you still want Fedor in the top 10? MMA is like all fighting sports, it's what have you done for me lately. So let be clear 32-3 is extremely impressive, it makes him in my mind the greatest HW in MMA thus far. However ranking are based on recent results.
I never said Werdum wasn't a top 10 fighter, I just pointed out that he got KO'ed in the first round by JDS. I also never said that it automatically made JDS better than all the people Werdum has beaten. To be clear though a first round KO does make him better than Werdum. Your logic that Werdum holding a win over Fedor and JDS does not automatically means that Werdum should be ranked higher is frankly ridiculous. Head to head competition counts more than any other factor in rankings. Besides, JDS can't fight Fedor because Fedor's wacky management would never allow him to fight a UFC fighter.
Also as far as Werdum having beaten more top competition than JDS and Cain, that is again a ridiculous statement. Werdum is 33 and started in 2002. JDS is 26 and Cain is 28. They haven't been fighting as long. He also has more losses than both of them combined. So what.
I also never said the UFC is steroid free. All the fighters you brought up only one is a UFC HW. The discussion is about HWs. You are correct that Overroid has never tested positive, however I am interested as to what you think about your man crush Fedor asking for a third party to administer a drug test to Overroid before agreeing to fight him. Do you think that Fedor was "grasping at straws?" Overroid was losing routinely to LHWs until he mysteriously bulked up and gained tons of muscle mass in a short time. His talk of eating horse meat reminds me of the old days of Hulk Hogan telling kids to take their vitamins. Well we all know now what was in the Hulkster's vitamins. Also, Barnett is not your typical steroid guy he is the ONLY person in MMA history to test positive 3 times for anabolic steroids. His license is still revoked in California.
I brought up K1 because I knew you couldn't name a top 10 MMA opponent of Overroid so I knew the next step would be to talk about the K1 Grand Prix so I just headed you off at the pass. I never said Kharitonov isn't legit I said he hasn't fought much over the last 4 years and his biggest victory in those 4 years is over Arlovski who has a glass jaw. As to how legit or how good he is we will see as the tourney progresses.
Obviously you didn't do your research in comparing Rogers and Carwin. Yes they are both big hitters but Carwin has a ground game. In 12 victories, 7 are KOs and 5 are submissions. Rogers has 11 victories, 9 by KO, 1 by sub and 1 decision. Also Mir may not like to get hit, but he hasn't lost his last 4 fights 3 by KO the way Glass Joe Arlovski has.
Please tell me what you base your evaluation of Josh Barnett as a top 7 HW on? Is it his victory over Geronimo dos Santos (one of Lyoto Machida's sparring partners), or Mighty Mo (6'1" 280lbs 40 year old with a 3-2 MMA record), Gilbert Yvel (36-16 record), Pedro Rizzo (19-9 MMA record), Jeff Monson (40 year old UFC washout), or maybe Hidehiko Yoshida (41 year old with 9-8 MMA record)? That is all his opponents since 2006 when lost to Big Nog at Pride Shockwave 2006. Sorry but I don't think that level of competition qualifies you for top 7.
Yes this show had 1.1 million viewers, but by stacking the left side of the bracket they have already ousted their biggest draw in Fedor. If they would have put him against a weaker opponent they could have saved their biggest drawing fight which obviously would have been Overroid versus Fedor. Now the soonest that fight will happen is next year IF Fedor decides to continue his career since Overroid will most likely be occupied with this tourney. If Overroid loses to Werdum or Silva then it could happen before the end of the year but the draw of a Fedor versus Overroid match with both coming off loses won't have the appeal it would have had if the tournament would have been structured properly.
You see the reason it backfired wasn't because of the show's ratings it backfired because it is going to screw with the future of Strikeforce. The only division where they have any chance of saying they have better fighters than the UFC is HW. If they ruin their biggest draws in the division, then their ratings will decline and they won't be able to pay their top fighters to keep them. It's simple economics. That is why I also brought up Kharitonov being a relative unknown outside of hardcore MMA fans. Oh and why would I talk about WWE stars and marketability when the UFC does more in PPV buys than the WWE now.
LOL so you bring up past losses of Anderson Silva a middleweight in a discussion of heavyweights. The funny thing is you use Silva as an example and can't even get the facts right. Okami was awarded the fight with Silva on a DQ because Okami was knocked out by an illegal kick. Okami is almost universally accepted as the 2nd or 3rd best middleweight in the world in the rankings that hardly makes him a "can."
Ryo Chonan was getting his ass handed to him by Silva when Silva became careless and got caught with a flying scissor heel hook in 2004. Also your labeling him as a "can" is again incorrect. Chonan was the DEEP middleweight champion. He has beaten Hayato Sakurai (who at one time was considered the best P4P in the world), Carlos Newton (former UFC WW champ), and Joey Villasenor. He has losses to Dan Henderson, Karo Parisyan, and Ricardo Almeida. To use your own favorite statement, he has faced more top 10 opponents than Brett Rogers and Josh Barnett combined. Yes he lost to Daiju Takase in his 10th fight with a surprise upset submission in 2003 and in his first professional fight in Brazil in 2000.
Besides his last real loss was in 2004. JDS beat Werdum in October 2008. There is a little time difference there. But to make matters worse I never said that JDS beating Werdum made him automatically better than all the people Werdum beat. It just makes him better than Werdum.
I like how you try the smart ass remark about not knowing the UFC draws more viewers while ignoring the point I was making that the UFC will continue to draw the better prospects because most people want to fight where they will be seen. Way to to try to dodge the point.
But then again you dodged the whole point of my post. I asked you to tell me how Strikeforce HW division is "far better" as you put it. So far you have failed miserably at that.