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jaedaliu

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Heh. What area? That kind of thing is very uncommon where I live now - Toronto - which isn't a surprise given that about half the population in this city are born outside of Canada.

On the flip side, I visited Taiwan a while back and got asked several times by people if I knew a Canadian they had met... just because I was from Canada. What's even more stupid is that Canadian they met often was in another city halfway across the country. I'd remind them that Canada has over 30 million people.

Pawtucket, RI. It's where fictional Family Guy beer is brewed.
 

Eug

Lifer
Mar 11, 2000
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Never heard of that town until today.

Some Google info that didn't surprise me:

The racial makeup of the city was 75.39% White, 7.31% African American, 0.30% Native American, 0.85% Asian, 0.06% Pacific Islander, 10.75% from other races, and 5.34% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 13.90% of the population.

Some Google info that surprised me a bit:

According to the 2000 census, 20.6% of Pawtucket residents are French or French-Canadian.[8] Like nearby cities Providence, RI; East Providence, RI; Fall River, MA; & New Bedford, MA; Pawtucket hosts a significant population from across the former Portuguese Empire (11.6%)[8] plus an extremely significant Cape Verdean population. The segment from Cape Verde Islands was featured in this Zip Code USA article from National Geographic magazine.

Pawtucket is also one of the few areas of the United States with a significant Liberian population, mostly refugees from Charles Taylor's regime. Rhode Island has the highest per capita Liberian population in the country.[citation needed] Pawtucket has a very high concentration of West Africans.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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Well...if all youse damned ferriners would jest stay in yer own damned countries instead of coming to the US of A...and polluting our pure bloodlines...

I have a shit-ton of relatives on reservations. They hate all of you...yellow, black, white...perhaps the whites the most of all.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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Speaking as a white American, all I can say is that majority rules. This country is set up (for right or wrong) to be inclusive of all foreign cultures. We'll take anyone and for the most part allow them to be themselves. But with that inclusion to outsiders comes the duty of assimilation. It is YOUR (and by "your" I mean any race or culture, not just Asian) responsibility to fit in and if you choose to remain an outsider to THIS country then you will be treated as an outsider. It's that simple. We have too many different cultures mingling here to expect anyone to try to adapt to them all. The foreigners who complain that we do not adapt to them are just as guilty. You never see African immigrants embracing the culture of the Samoan immigrants and the Russians don't try to understand the Koreans. And nobody wants anything to do with those darned Canadians.

You have a wide variety of choices. You can keep your culture, you can adapt to this one, you can straddle the line and you can stay wherever you came from. Whatever floats your boat. But to come here to take advantage of the opportunities here and then whine that here is too much like here and not enough like "there" is hypocritical. If you want to be an American, act like an American. If not, it's your choice.
 
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Eug

Lifer
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Speaking as a white American, all I can say is that majority rules. This country is set up (for right or wrong) to be inclusive of all foreign cultures. We'll take anyone and for the most part allow them to be themselves. But with that inclusion to outsiders comes the duty of assimilation. It is YOUR (and by "your" I mean any race or culture, not just Asian) responsibility to fit in and if you choose to remain an outsider to THIS country then you will be treated as an outsider. It's that simple. We have too many different cultures mingling here to expect anyone to try to adapt to them all. The foreigners who complain that we do not adapt to them are just as guilty. You never see African immigrants embracing the culture of the Samoan immigrants and the Russians don't try to understand the Koreans. And nobody wants anything to do with those darned Canadians.

You have a wide variety of choices. You can keep your culture, you can adapt to this one, you can straddle the line and you can stay wherever you came from. Whatever floats your boat. But to come here to take advantage of the opportunities here and then whine that here is too much like here and not enough like "there" is hypocritical. If you want to be an American, act like an American. If not, it's your choice.
There was another point to that article that should be noted (despite its perhaps overly dramatic style).

Some relatively new immigrants in certain areas can just go about working hard and minding their own business, and a subset of the locals may still treat them like crap.

A guy I know wouldn't stay in his relative's condo in the southern US because his wife was Chinese (although grew up in Canada), and if you can believe it the relative's condo had a rule that mixed race couples were not allowed. Instead he just rented a hotel room, and they went out for dinner. That totally shocked me, esp. considering it's the 21st century.

I would assume that condo's rule is illegal, but that didn't stop them from having the rule, and nobody contested it.
 

Leyawiin

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My parents moved to California from Oklahoma around that late 1930s. They were just middle school age kids, but were expected to work in the fields after school. During the summer they lived in camps with canvas "tent cabins" and outhouses as they followed the agricultural work up and down the Pacific Coast. Apples in Washington, peaches and cotton in California. I was told how they were called "Okies" by the locals everywhere and sometimes were treated with contempt (especially in Washington). Once the US got involved in WWII their families moved to the Bay Area to work in the shipyards and things got better. Basically, things weren't a bed of roses for them for part of their lives even though they are white and our families have been here for several centuries. Everyone has to deal with shit regardless who they are.
 

Tango

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I think just growing up is kinda rough. Kids don't hesitate to make fun of people for having a different skin color, talking differently, not wearing what everyone else is wearing, etc.

Not really, unless they are taught to by their families. I recently talked to a psychiatrist friend of mine whose kid is currently in elementary school. The kid goes to an extremely culturally and ethnically diverse institute where the majority of students come from very culturally open families, and his mother was telling me how basically they are are associating nothing to physical appearance, more or less how kids in ethnically homogeneous countries in Europe associate nothing to eyes color. Kids might after all have certain preconceptions because they parrot ideas that hear/observe in adults around them, mostly in their families.
She is actually interviewing the kids for an academic article.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Can't relate. ABV to first gen VN immigrants.

Maybe it's because there were so many of us that immigrated at the same time to the same place so my parents prob suffered the brunt of the racism
 

sunzt

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Nov 27, 2003
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Speaking as a white American, all I can say is that majority rules. This country is set up (for right or wrong) to be inclusive of all foreign cultures. We'll take anyone and for the most part allow them to be themselves. But with that inclusion to outsiders comes the duty of assimilation. It is YOUR (and by "your" I mean any race or culture, not just Asian) responsibility to fit in and if you choose to remain an outsider to THIS country then you will be treated as an outsider. It's that simple. We have too many different cultures mingling here to expect anyone to try to adapt to them all. The foreigners who complain that we do not adapt to them are just as guilty. You never see African immigrants embracing the culture of the Samoan immigrants and the Russians don't try to understand the Koreans. And nobody wants anything to do with those darned Canadians.

You have a wide variety of choices. You can keep your culture, you can adapt to this one, you can straddle the line and you can stay wherever you came from. Whatever floats your boat. But to come here to take advantage of the opportunities here and then whine that here is too much like here and not enough like "there" is hypocritical. If you want to be an American, act like an American. If not, it's your choice.

Wow, that was some tangent rant. I don't think you understood the point of the article (if you read it at all). It is not about "America is not like there" and was not asking for Americans to adapt. Geez.

Being an American doesn't mean abandon everything else you knew about where you came from or your heritage. For most first generation immigrants, it means fitting into American culture while also appreciating your own heritage. I guess that's a hard concept for some to grasp.

Assimilation doesn't mean that someone is only allowed to act, speak, and do as you do. It's about fitting into another culture as best as one can while mixing in your own culture and heritage along the way as it has always been in America.
 

dighn

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Aug 12, 2001
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At least she can call herself American and be 100% correct. I moved to Canada at 12 and have since lost my Chinese citizenship. I identify more with Western culture and values and like to think of myself as Canadian, but I'm still Chinese in many ways and know that I'm not really 100% Canadian. I speak English with a slight but identifiable accent, and my Chinese is lacking in expressiveness. Now that's stuck between cultures These days I just think of myself as a citizen of Earth.
 

Jodell88

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Speaking as a white American, all I can say is that majority rules. This country is set up (for right or wrong) to be inclusive of all foreign cultures. We'll take anyone and for the most part allow them to be themselves. But with that inclusion to outsiders comes the duty of assimilation. It is YOUR (and by "your" I mean any race or culture, not just Asian) responsibility to fit in and if you choose to remain an outsider to THIS country then you will be treated as an outsider. It's that simple. We have too many different cultures mingling here to expect anyone to try to adapt to them all. The foreigners who complain that we do not adapt to them are just as guilty. You never see African immigrants embracing the culture of the Samoan immigrants and the Russians don't try to understand the Koreans. And nobody wants anything to do with those darned Canadians.

You have a wide variety of choices. You can keep your culture, you can adapt to this one, you can straddle the line and you can stay wherever you came from. Whatever floats your boat. But to come here to take advantage of the opportunities here and then whine that here is too much like here and not enough like "there" is hypocritical. If you want to be an American, act like an American. If not, it's your choice.
A couple reasons why America sucks is right here folks.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Apr 19, 2001
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Being an American doesn't mean abandon everything else you knew about where you came from or your heritage. For most first generation immigrants, it means fitting into American culture while also appreciating your own heritage. I guess that's a hard concept for some to grasp.

No, the hard concept to grasp is that most of us don't give one tiny mosquito shit about your culture. It's a two way street. You don't give a shit about the Ethiopians culture, the Samoans culture, the Peruvians culture or the Turkish culture. You have not the slightest bit of concern about them and how they fit in, but expect sympathy about your own personal travails. Not going to happen.

You're free to keep your culture, nobody confiscates sombreros, vuvuzelas and bamboo slippers at the border. So quit whining about how tough it is. EVERY immigrant faces the same thing in EVERY country and has since the beginning of time. It's the way the world works, you adapt to the new surrounding, not the other way around. You're not special and your experiences are neither unique nor unbearable. Literally billions of people have managed to do it successfully.
 

sunzt

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No, the hard concept to grasp is that most of us don't give one tiny mosquito shit about your culture. It's a two way street. You don't give a shit about the Ethiopians culture, the Samoans culture, the Peruvians culture or the Turkish culture. You have not the slightest bit of concern about them and how they fit in, but expect sympathy about your own personal travails. Not going to happen.

You're free to keep your culture, nobody confiscates sombreros, vuvuzelas and bamboo slippers at the border. So quit whining about how tough it is. EVERY immigrant faces the same thing in EVERY country and has since the beginning of time. It's the way the world works, you adapt to the new surrounding, not the other way around. You're not special and your experiences are neither unique nor unbearable. Literally billions of people have managed to do it successfully.

^Exhibit A of America's welcoming arms. "Make sure you adopt my culture, but f your own!"

Lol thank god America's immigration policy wasn't built by you. Contrary to your worldly belief, most Americans are very willing to experience other cultures, food, music, and people. That's why there are so many cultural districts in each city all over the USA and neighbors making friends with neighbors from different countries all over the world exchanging food, gifts, stories, and cultures. Hell, there's even a St. Patrick day. Maybe it's hard for you to see all the influence that different cultures have stamped over America with your blinders on, but hey thanks for the love and support anyway. It makes America such a welcoming place to new immigrants to meet people like you.
 

jaedaliu

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No, the hard concept to grasp is that most of us don't give one tiny mosquito shit about your culture. It's a two way street. You don't give a shit about the Ethiopians culture, the Samoans culture, the Peruvians culture or the Turkish culture. You have not the slightest bit of concern about them and how they fit in, but expect sympathy about your own personal travails. Not going to happen.

You're free to keep your culture, nobody confiscates sombreros, vuvuzelas and bamboo slippers at the border. So quit whining about how tough it is. EVERY immigrant faces the same thing in EVERY country and has since the beginning of time. It's the way the world works, you adapt to the new surrounding, not the other way around. You're not special and your experiences are neither unique nor unbearable. Literally billions of people have managed to do it successfully.

Do you need a hug?
 

Newell Steamer

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I am the 1st American born of Greek immigrants in my family.

As far as I'm concerned, I am American. And, the family I raise will be American as well. It will be up to them to decide if they want to retrace their roots.
 

sunzt

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I am the 1st American born of Greek immigrants in my family.

As far as I'm concerned, I am American. And, the family I raise will be American as well. It will be up to them to decide if they want to retrace their roots.

Do you speak Greek? If not, did your parents try to teach you?
 

Leyawiin

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^Exhibit A of America's welcoming arms. "Make sure you adopt my culture, but f your own!"

It makes America such a welcoming place to new immigrants to meet people like you.

As brutally direct his comments are he does make a few valid observations about assimilating. Anyway, opinions voiced in a forum rarely have anything to do with how one conducts themselves in public. Personally I think legal immigration should be scaled way back (like 75%) and the focus should be on skilled, educated individuals and less on family reunification or blind luck. Illegal immigration shouldn't be tolerated and the southern border needs to be locked down by whatever means to stop the majority of it. The country is expected to hit over 400 million by 2050. It had 200 million in 1970. That's just too much of an increase in a country that was already settled and developed. It puts a strain on the quality of life (jobs, schools, health care, infrastructure) and the environment. Regardless of my personal opinion on current immigration quotas I would never cop an attitude with anyone from another country. I'm about as friendly and nice as one can be. Politics and policies are one thing - people are another.
 

alkemyst

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Feb 13, 2001
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Well...if all youse damned ferriners would jest stay in yer own damned countries instead of coming to the US of A...and polluting our pure bloodlines...

I have a shit-ton of relatives on reservations. They hate all of you...yellow, black, white...perhaps the whites the most of all.

What about the one's sending them their Indian pay each year?
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Jun 19, 2004
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Racism isn't exclusive to whites

Racism doesn't depend on skin color period. I grew up in the Midwest I think at the time, there was exactly one black kid in the entire school. We were Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish, Irish, Polish and, German. We were white as white can be. Many kids had grandparents living with them from the "old country." Adults rarely spoke to someone from another culture. Older adults would cross the street to avoid someone from a different culture. "Everyone knew " that Irish and Poles were at the bottom of society. As kids we didn't know or care and, played, ate and, listened to the stories of the adults. Most families regularly ate foods from their respective cultures so, as kids we got exposed to many different foods. The only thing uniting the various cultures was a burning desire to be American now.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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And a burning desire for sex. I bet a lot of those people are Norwegian/Irish/Swedish or Polish/German/Finnish mutts by now.

In those days, dating outside your culture would get the evil eye from granny and the tongues a wagging at coffee klatsches.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Lol thank god America's immigration policy wasn't built by you.


ROFL, be thankful that America has an immigration policy at all. Tell me in detail how a Mexican family or an Iranian family would be welcomed into your beloved motherland and how your country would go out of it's way to make their experience as friendly as possible. Then and only then complain about how terrible you have it here.

You're in the country that does the MOST for immigrants from all cultures, the country that makes things the EASIEST on anyone that wants to ditch their homeland and you're still whining about how tough it is. That's just pathetic. Nowhere on earth are immigrants more welcome and that still isn't enough for you. What exactly do you expect to happen? You want over 300 million people to meet you at the border, sing Kumbaya and pledge to adopt all your customs just to make things easier? Get real.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

IN MEMORIAM
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Not to pick on Asian cultures but, they're right up there with Afghans, Pakistanis and, the Romani for being the most rigid and unaccepting of different cultures.
 
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