Stuck between cultures

sunzt

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This article kinda sums up my life growing up in the US as an asian immigrant child trying to fit in between two cultures. I can relate to her experiences with family, culture, and racism. Anyone ever grew up in the US but who's parents were first generation immigrants? Are your experiences similar?

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When I was eleven, I was called a beloved patriot by three boys at a water park. I was wearing my favorite blue Nike suit, had just gotten my first period a month before, and adored my fish tank of silver guppies, which swam mercilessly back and forth through a sleeve of cool water each night.

I didn’t understand race, and I didn’t understand love.

What I understood was that on Multi-Culti Day in the sixth grade, my mother had made six containers of dumplings for my class. The moisture had condensed on the Tupperware lids in shameful, wet circles; Casey had wrinkled his nose and asked, “What’s that smell?”

What I understood was that I smelled differently. I wasn’t allowed to shave my legs, I didn’t know how to translate “deodorant” into Mandarin, and my favorite meal involved pouring cheddar cheese Goldfish crackers on top of a bowl of rice.

Still, I waved the American flag. Still, I loved comic books and strawberry popsicles. At home, my mother spoke to me in Mandarin and I responded back in English. As an American-born girl of eleven, we had a system. In public, I became the mom — checking out our library books, enunciating English words for her at Kroger’s, translating Mapquest directions so she’d swerve left onto Newport Road. I was the one who taught my mom how to make macaroni and cheese. I told her what to write to my teachers when I was sick and couldn’t come to class. We fell into familiar rhythm. Eventually, she stopped using her Chinese-to-English dictionary and started resorting to me: “You’re the expert,” she’d say, “I don’t know anything.”

At some point along the way, I lost my Chinese.

Chinese, my first language, gradually became my lost language. Born in Seattle to parents who had emigrated from China, I attended preschool in Ann Arbor with almost no knowledge of English. I was placed in a toddler’s ESL class, where we bound picture books in sparkly pink wrapping paper, and I learned the language through flashcards: A IS FOR APPLE, M IS FOR MILK.

At home, then, the rules were softened. As a kid, I’d persuade my mother into buying us “normal” food: vanilla wafers drenched in icing, chicken nuggets, wide hunks of pepper jack cheese. I reprimanded her for braiding my hair with Hello Kitty elastics. All the white girls at my school used simple hair bands of neon blues, pinks. My mother went to Meijer and bought me a jumbo pack of black hair scrunchies the next day. I called my mother a bitch when we fought, mostly out of cruel spite. I knew she wouldn’t understand the curse word. After all, I was the wise, cultured American. She was just the Chinese mom who listened out of love, out of a desire to see her kid not get bullied in a school system that was predominantly white. In retrospect, the games I played as a kid must have been humiliating for my mother: a brilliant woman who’d studied agriculture in college, mastered Japanese, loved butterflies and the smell of lavender perfume.

With my mom, I cultivated a sense of authority that I couldn’t fully grasp in the classroom. Placed next to my all-American friends with mothers who understood that mustard was not a salad dressing, but a condiment; that hot dogs were not literally heated animals with tails; that tampons were more popular than pads … I’d never be the expert.

In school, I was shy. Ate white breads, tossed dumplings in the trash can, raised my hand only when I was sure I could pronounce unknown words exactly right. Played it safe, partly because I was afraid to lose the wicked sense of authority I’d cultivated at home.

Growing up as a minority, I found independence in these mottled, urgent ways. At a water park, at age eleven, being called a beloved patriot was just another new occasion for me to disassemble and learn the English language. To claim it in all its pricking points of ugliness. To be bullied and loved, relentlessly, by the alphabet. beloved patriot, Chigga. Banana. Twinkie. F.O.B. What my Chinese mother could never teach me, I had to learn and seize on my own. What’s more, I felt fiercely protective and embarrassed by her. In the U.S., she was vulnerable, sometimes timid, girlish. Couldn’t hold the language. My job as her American-born daughter was not only to teach, but to also defend.

In middle school, “Yo Mama” jokes infuriated me. My mother was so Chinese she couldn’t eat a hamburger without pinching her nose. She was so Chinese she wore bamboo slippers, pickled sea cucumbers, fried rice. But she was also a badass. Mowed our lawn every week, fixed the broken roof herself. Knit scarves, baked bread. Climbed ladders. Sacrificed her Chinese citizenship for an American passport — not out of duty to the country, but out of duty to my sister and me. “I want to live in the same country as you when I’m older,” she said. At my high school graduation, she recited the Pledge of Allegiance with her left hand over her chest, beaming.

I’ve often been told I’m a part of the “nice” race, the “model minority.” At times, it’s assumed that what I do well, I do because I’m Asian — not because I was raised by one of the strongest, most intelligent women I know. It’s frustrating when I find myself settling into these expectations. Annoying when I find myself hyper-aware when breaking out of them. I am a daughter of immigrant parents, and I am infinitely dimensional, in-love, in-pain, exhausted, roaming. Growing up. Chinese is my blood, and in a way, it defines many of my decisions and my movements through this world. But it does not lay the entire groundwork for what I choose to chase, demolish — what I choose to give, or give up.

At Pizza House last year, I was told half-jokingly, “You’re like our token Asian friend!” Pepperoni circles swam in rainbow grease, and I sizzled. I’m not — and will never be — anybody’s token anything. I’m my mother’s daughter, and I’m my own brain, my own bossy heart. In high school, I was encouraged to pursue a career as an English professor because “You’ve got that whole Asian thing going for you. You stand out!” As a Chinese-American woman, I have been exoticized, categorized and stereotyped by friends, peers, strangers, teachers, co-workers, crushes. My Chinese mother has been called “cute” when she stutters in English. We’ve both been sliced up.

Being angry about racial inequality is easy. Navigating, processing, and articulating race — that’s hard. It’s a project I don’t know how to undertake without stammering, fearful to offend … even as a woman of color, talking about my race feels bulky and terrifying. As a Chinese-American, I feel frequently caught in liminal space, floating in-between myth and a self-inflicted series of rules.

I am frequently asked, “Where are you really from?” and I’m always quick to respond, almost heatedly, “Here.” I was born on American soil. I love this country, with its chocolate creams and dirty politicians and bodies of saltwater. But I am also indebted to my mother, and to her country, which both is and isn’t my own. As my mother’s daughter, I am built with her history of red stamps, her girlhood during the Cultural Revolution, her brick walls. Our sacrifice, our shame. I am American, plus Chinese. That identity is plural, stretched. Beautiful weight. And that love. It’s plural, too.
 

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Don't know what that's like. Maybe it's because I have a bunch of Asian friends but can relate to anyone.

Also, kind of sounds like a bunch of nonsense.
 
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skim milk

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I'd say all immigrants experienced this. Millions of people had to live "between two cultures" myself included so not sure what the big deal is really.
 

Mai72

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There is a fantastic you tube video of Chinese Americans who go back to China to work and to find their roots.

Their mothers and fathers are against them going back because when they left China it was much different then it is today. When they are in China the people there are expecting them to act as if they were Chinese and not Chinese/American.
 
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sunzt

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There is a fantastic you tube video of Chinese Americans who go back to China to work and to find their roots.

Oh I'd hate to work in China. To visit and enjoy the food and culture sure, but the work environment is way too competitive and cut throat.

And yes, they expect Chinese looking people to be Chinese, not some hybrid. They really look down on people like that.
 

Mai72

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@sunzt

When I was in South Korea I had children tell me that they were always teased by their own peers because their skin was too dark. One boy was called the mayor of Africa. I thought it was a very sad situation, and it just reminded me that this type of thing just doesn't happen exclusively in America.
 

sunzt

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@sunzt

When I was in South Korea I had children tell me that they were always teased by their own peers because their skin was too dark. One boy was called the mayor of Africa. I thought it was a very sad situation, and it just reminded me that this type of thing just doesn't happen exclusively in America.

I admit, i lol'd at "mayor of Africa". Yeah, kids can really be a-holes to foreigners or mixed race people. Thanks for putting that into perspective.
 

Mai72

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I admit, i lol'd at "mayor of Africa". Yeah, kids can really be a-holes to foreigners or mixed race people. Thanks for putting that into perspective.

It wasn't a child who was from a different culture. He is Korean and his peers are Korean. It reminds me of the black population making fun of other blacks who act like Uncle Toms. In the case I described earlier his peers made fun if him because he looked African.
 

clamum

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Sounds a little over dramatic but it was written well. And maybe it's not overly dramatic, I'm just a cracker from Michigan.
 

jaedaliu

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I can understand what they went through, but I can't relate.

The neighborhood I grew up in was 65% white, 30% asian, and 5% hispanic. (gross simplification) There's more asian and other ethnicities now, but same idea, there were plenty of others with very similar cultural identities.

Now, my wife (who grew up in a 75% hispanic, 5% asian, and 20% white neighborhood) is a doctor in an area with very few asians. Most of her patients tell her about their one asian friend when they first meet; expecting my wife to know this other asian person.

It must not be easy to forge an identity when you love your parents, but are also embarrassed of their actions/customs.
 

Scarpozzi

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Racism isn't exclusive to whites
I once went to Memphis on business. I was there with a business associate. We went to a BBQ place and were the only white people there. After waiting 10 minutes, I politely asked someone if they were going to take our order. The response was, "You just don't get it, do you?"

I still don't.
 

Svnla

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@sunzt

When I was in South Korea I had children tell me that they were always teased by their own peers because their skin was too dark. One boy was called the mayor of Africa. I thought it was a very sad situation, and it just reminded me that this type of thing just doesn't happen exclusively in America.


I have been both to Korea and Japan and numerous nations in Asia but have not been to mainland China yet.

Koreans have a strange notion of they = "pure blood" >>> everyone else that are not.

Asians in other countries feel darker skin folks = poors/peasants/lower class/beneat them. The women do everything to protect themselves from the sun during the daytime such as cover from head to toes. Imagine cover yourselve in hoodie and layers of clothes in 90+ degree (or higher) during the day <yike>.
 
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This article kinda sums up my life growing up in the US as an asian immigrant child trying to fit in between two cultures. I can relate to her experiences with family, culture, and racism. Anyone ever grew up in the US but who's parents were first generation immigrants? Are your experiences similar?

I have a friend down the street; she's first-generation and her husband is American, so their kids have both cultures. I think the kids have had some struggles in school. But then again, school is kind of horrible socially, unless you're one of the "cool" kids. Kids don't have filters on their mouths like most adults have in the workplace and don't realize the long-term effects that hurtful things have on people; it's a form of bullying & racism for sure. And I've found it's the opposite in the workplace - no one really cares anymore. There will always be some degree of peer pressure, racism, etc. but the adult world is generally a lot different than the school world (thank goodness). Probably in no small part due to laws, HR, and legal implications.

I think everyone struggles with something growing up, too. I was the pale white nerdy kid in school, before being a geek was semi-cool like it is today. But you have to grow a thick skin if you're going to get by without being stressed-out. The author bristled at being called the "token Asian friend", and yet I wonder if she hunts down her "computer nerd buddy" when her computer acts up, you know? You can get uptight about it or you can roll with it. I think I was offended for a period of time at being called a nerd, but once I accepted it (and realized that it wasn't so much of a personal attack as much as most people saying it in a friendly way) it was really no big deal.

Plus, every time someone calls me a geek, I get +10HP of Life Power :biggrin:
 

Kaido

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I have been both to Korea and Japan and numerous nations in Asia but have not been to mainland China yet.

Koreans have a strange notion of they = "pure blood" >>> everyone else that are not.

Asians in other countries feel darker skin folks = poors/peasants/lower class/beneat them. The women do everything to protect themselves from the sun during the daytime such as cover from head to toes. Imagine cover yourselve in hoodie and layers of clothes in 90+ degree during the day <yike>.

Wait, I'm a muggle??
 

Mai72

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I have been both to Korea and Japan and numerous nations in Asia.

Korean have a strange notion of they = "pure blood" >>> everyone else that are not.

Asians in other countries feel darker skin folks = poors/peasants/lower class/beneat them. The women do everything to protect themselves from the sun during the daytime such as cover from head to toes. Imagine cover yourselve in hoodie and layers of clothes in 90+ degree during the day <yike>.

My Korean coworkers would run under the tree so they could escape the sun. Then they would look at us white folks as if we were nuts for standing in the bright sun. White skin is idolized in Asia. White skin equals beauty, power, youth, and money. You can't buy a facial cream in Asia without it having some type of whitening agent.
 

Kaido

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My Korean coworkers would run under the tree so they could escape the sun. Then they would look at us white folks as if we were nuts for standing in the bright sun. White skin is idolized in Asia. White skin equals beauty, power, youth, and money. You can't buy a facial cream in Asia without it having some type of whitening agent.

Wow, I had no idea! Kind of wild how different the cultures are. I was always made fun of growing up (and still am LOL) for being so pale. I have some Icelandic in me, so I just have really white skin naturally, even if I spend a lot of time outdoors (but judging by my post count, let's be serious here haha).

Racism & class distinction is such a weird thing. The more I learn about other cultures, the more I think America doesn't have it that bad. I've lived all over the United States - California, Florida, Connecticut, Michigan to name just a few - and have never really run into heavy racism. Florida probably had the most because it was a southern state, but even that was more of a backwoods kind of thing. I can understand the social habits that people grew up with back in the day and why it's hard for some older folks to overcome that, but even grade school was such a melting pot everywhere that I grew up that it was never really a big issue.
 

Kaido

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I think just growing up is kinda rough. Kids don't hesitate to make fun of people for having a different skin color, talking differently, not wearing what everyone else is wearing, etc.

It's also kind of eye-opening when you get older, once you understand the social situations that some kids were going through. There were always a few kids in elementary & middle school who acted out like crazy & whose parents were useless to talk to in parent-teacher meetings; you didn't realize until you got older that some of them were drug addicts, alcoholics, abusive, irresponsible, etc. and that their kids were getting the brunt end of that and getting no leadership or discipline in the home, so how could you expect a kid to NOT act out? They didn't stand a chance from the get-go!
 

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I am Chinese born and moved to the US when I was 4. I consider myself an American. Yet, I've never really had many of the issues described in this thread. I am not sure if I am lucky, or perhaps unobservant. I have not ever really been directly insulted due to my race, the only real moments I remember is when gaming online (which hardly counts), and one isolated incident in middle school with people I didn't know and never saw again. Even throughout high school and middle school, I was never picked on because of my race, or really picked on in general.

There is always some minor racial element in life, but I cannot say it has affected me much. I strongly identify as an American, and the only ones who give me crap about that are my parents, jokingly. Of course, there is the occasional "I'm good at math" or "bad driving" jokes from friends, but do people actually take them seriously and offensively? I don't really know what to say.
 
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Eug

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Now, my wife (who grew up in a 75% hispanic, 5% asian, and 20% white neighborhood) is a doctor in an area with very few asians. Most of her patients tell her about their one asian friend when they first meet; expecting my wife to know this other asian person.
Heh. What area? That kind of thing is very uncommon where I live now - Toronto - which isn't a surprise given that about half the population in this city are born outside of Canada.

On the flip side, I visited Taiwan a while back and got asked several times by people if I knew a Canadian they had met... just because I was from Canada. What's even more stupid is that Canadian they met often was in another city halfway across the country. I'd remind them that Canada has over 30 million people.
 

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My parents are from Mexico, and I was brought here when I was a few months old. Never experienced any racist behavior from anyone. I never felt like a minority either when I was in school or now.

The only times I felt caught in between was when I was young and around my mother. Having to translate for her, having to explain things that do not make sense to someone from her culture, etc. When my parents divorced and my Dad married an American-born American, who can only speak English, I went to live with him, and these issues disappeared. Now I pretty much never speak Spanish, and when I have to, I have trouble.

I identify as American with some Mexican influences. I don't think that blood means a thing, so I disregard it.
 
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