Student's classroom rant goes viral

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Wreckem

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That's incredibly stupid to focus on that one fact while completely overlooking the actual content of his message.

The content of his message is misguided/misdirected.

Texas teachers have little latitude in teaching. They teach directly out of standardized curriculum binders. And to me it seems this is about STARR prep. Its normal operating procedure in Texas to hand out packets for STARR prep. Its review packets, it stuff they should have already learned during the year.
 

TheAdvocate

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His enthusiasm, if genuine, should be harnessed. Hard to tell without prior context and familiarity with his attitude in class.

However, I cannot help noticing that the teacher made zero effort to even get out of her seat. I'm buying that she's lazy and it is just a job. Her attitude seems to be as bad as he states, even if he takes it too far.
 

ibex333

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What I don't get, is how people choose what to react to and what to ignore. for years, thousands of people talk about how education in america sucks in certain places, how teachers are horrible, how students don't learn nothing, and how the board of ed doesn't give a damn... yet it is ignored.. But then all of a sudden, this particular video gets so much attention! I just don't get what is so special this time... It's not like any of this is new.

I remember back when I went to High School, we had a mathematics teacher who immigrated from Carribean Islands. His accent was so horrific that it was hardly possible to understand anything that he was talking about, but even if he was crystal clear, I still wouldn't be able to get anything out of his classes, because his teaching methods involved writing a bunch of stuff on the board with back turned to the class mumbling to himself as he went along. Then he would stop and expect people to actually do something... solve problems, etc, etc.

One day,this brave girl from 1st row raises her hand and says: "But I don't understand ANYTHING!!!".

Do you know what this bastard's reply was? He says.. "Well, that's your problem...". And that right there pretty much sums up his teaching that whole semester.

The rest of my Mathematics teachers were pretty much the same in that they thought, without actually teaching anything. The only kids that really succeeded, were the ones that would sit home with the book, and study, study study, pretty much self education, without the teacher taking any role in the learning process. Some parents FORCED thir kids to succeed by paying for tutors, and making kids go every week.

I could never study 100% on my own, so I developed a burning, passionate hate for Mathematics, and it always came back to bite me in the ass for the rest of my life. It keeps coming back to this day. : (

Why is it that the media never paid any attention to people like me? What makes this kid in the video so damn special?
 

yhelothar

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Because he actually had the balls to stand up to it and make a calm, rational, heartfelt rant about it. It also helped that we're in the age of smartphones/internet where it could easily be recorded and shared.
 

SheHateMe

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....and he probably still won't finish HS.

We don't know what the circumstances of his rant was. Maybe, he was just being a disruptive little shit. Maybe this is a class for all the knucklehead kids in the school who are too stupid and disruptive to be in a regular class. He is EIGHTEEN IN TENTH GRADE. They are allowing him to be there for whatever reason (he is an adult. He should go to Night School not regular school). Maybe, this is some sort of outreach program/special class.

Maybe...just maybe...this teacher has tried with this class and they just don't care, so she doesn't care.

Maybe the teacher did actually suck. We don't know the details yet.




People will have forgotten about this video within a month.
 
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....and he probably still won't finish HS.

We don't know what the circumstances of his rant was. Maybe, he was just being a disruptive little shit. Maybe this is a class for all the knucklehead kids in the school who are too stupid and disruptive to be in a regular class. He is EIGHTEEN IN TENTH GRADE. They are allowing him to be there for whatever reason (he is an adult. He should go to Night School not regular school). Maybe, this is some sort of outreach program/special class.

Maybe...just maybe...this teacher has tried with this class and they just don't care, so she doesn't care.

Maybe the teacher did actually suck. We don't know the details yet.





People will have forgotten about this video within a month.

Why is it always the teachers fault, regardless of teachers suckage? The teachers only obligation is to give you the notes. I don't care who you are, if you expect passionate teachers that wave their arms in circles while singing songs like this is fucking Sessame Street teaching - you're in for a rude awakening when you're in a class of 1000 in College - or 100 even.

If you can't get it from the professor, study up and hit the books. If you're too stupid to be able to read a book, then there's nothing a teacher is going to do for you that is any better.
 

Zeze

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Mar 4, 2011
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Everytime I see people bitching about US' education, I think about my life in Korea.

The Koreans go to school 7am-4pm, Mon-Sat from Jr High. Then they immediately go to 'Hakwon' which is afterschool classes/tutoring at third-party companies you pay out of pocket. It's the cultural norm to go or you WILL fall behind. Those easily last 2-3 hours. So I remember I'd leave home at 7AM, come home at 4:30PM to eat early dinner, then go to Hakwon from 6-9PM.

That was Jr High. I was fucking 11 yo.

HS is at its worst. You study day and night with no life. 7AM to 11PM-midnight. I distinctly remember asking my mom what these HS kids were doing at bus stop at middle of the night. She told me they just coming home from studying.

All you do is memorize endless and endless crap, only to spew it back in tests. There are minimal presentations or real creative ways to approach subjects. It's same math, science, and literature over and over and over. 55-60 students per teacher.

No pep rallys, no homecoming dances, no proms, no fundraisers, or activities of any kind from school. You're just a mindless drone with no life. Sure, the kids still find ways to have fun- go to karaoke, play pool, go out, etc..... but NOTHING value of relaxing comes from school. They have the highest student suicide rate in the world I believe. Japan and China are similar too.

Thank god I left that shit and came here just after 1 semester of Jr High (when shit was just about to get real). I still remember doing math assignments in some Jr High school in New Hampshire. I was like wtf, I learned this 2 years ago as a 4th grader.

That was more than 20 years ago. I think the quality of education got better. But studying-til-you-die system hasn't changed one bit.
 
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alkemyst

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Where the fuck is your justification? Because some dumb fuck dropout made a speal? He managed to realize that working at Burger King isn't going to get him very far? Oh wow, this kid sure knows! He is VERY deep minded

It says absolutely nothing other than the teacher often passes out papers/worksheets - What the fuck do you want? To dance around in a circle while waving her arms as if it's something magical?

At Waggy's kids school the average 1st grader is 8-9 years old.

Sort of tells the whole story right there.
 

Juddog

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Everytime I see people bitching about US' education, I think about my life in Korea.

The Koreans go to school 7am-4pm, Mon-Sat from Jr High. Then they immediately go to 'Hakwon' which is an afterschool classes/tutoring at third-party companies. Those easily last 2-3 hours. So I remember I'd leave home at 7AM, come home at 4:30PM to eat early dinner, then go to Hakwon from 6-9PM.

That was Jr High. I was fucking 11 yo.

HS is at its worst. You study day and night with no life. 7AM to 11PM-midnight. I distinctly remember asking my mom what these HS kids were doing at bus stop at middle of the night. She told me they were studying.

All you do is memorize endless and endless crap, only to spew it back in tests. There are minimal presentations or real creative ways to approach subjects. It's same math, science, and literature over and over and over.

No pep rallys, no homecoming dances, no proms, no fundraisers, or activities of any kind from school. You're just a mindless drone with no life. Sure, the kids still find ways to have fun- go to karaoke, play pool, go out, etc..... but NOTHING value of relaxing comes from school. They have the highest student suicide rate in the world I believe. Japan and China are similar too.

Thank god I left that shit and came here just after 1 semester of Jr High (when shit was just about to get real). I still remember doing math assignments in some Jr High school in New Hampshire. I learned that shit 2 years ago as a 4th grader.

Reading your statement makes me understand why companies like Samsung are out there innovating and crushing the competition - American schools are just plain lazy. My school sucked; it was boring most of the time and I couldn't learn at what I was capable of because the whole class learned at the lowest common denominator.
 

alkemyst

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It's not so much american schools are lazy as it's been the parents creating that.

When you people get all uppity that your lunger couldn't make the varsity team and demand they get to play first string, get A's, etc is when we all suffer.
 

Mxylplyx

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Whether the kid had a point or not, showing that kind of blatant disrespect to a teacher was unheard of when I was growing up. Is that kind of attitude towards a teacher tolerated these days?
 

IronWing

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Whether the kid had a point or not, showing that kind of blatant disrespect to a teacher was unheard of when I was growing up. Is that kind of attitude towards a teacher tolerated these days?
It's encouraged. Every problem a child might have in life is the fualt of the teacher or school. Parents have no responsibility and it would be truly horrifying to expect them to.
 

Zeze

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Reading your statement makes me understand why companies like Samsung are out there innovating and crushing the competition - American schools are just plain lazy. My school sucked; it was boring most of the time and I couldn't learn at what I was capable of because the whole class learned at the lowest common denominator.

Samsung and all other companies are corrupt and rotten to the core. You should know that.

Sure they're great at what they do, and I'm proud of them. But at what cost?

Korea's whole school & work culture is soul crushing. You are born, study endlessly, get a bit of break in college (name gets you jobs), then work 90 hr shifts until you die.

Then you find out your friend lives a MUCH better life than you because his dad went to Seoul National university and he got in through blatant corruption of bribing and 'old boy' hook-ups. Same goes for his unexplainable promotions at work place.

In US, you see lots of bright entrepreneurs FRESH out of college. They succeed and make bank because they know how to think like a well-rounded human being. You don't see that shit in Korea. The kids graduate hoping to join the big Samsung/LG/Hyundai.

I have fond memories of my first school dance with my crush in 7th grade, school trips, pep rallies, going to parties, senior prom, plenty of life experiences. And those US kids that succeed? They had the same memory too.
 
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lxskllr

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Samsung and all other companies are corrupt and rotten to the core. You should know that.

Sure they're great at what they do, and I'm proud of them. But at what cost?

Korea's whole school & work culture is soul crushing. You are born, study endlessly, get a bit of break in college (name gets you jobs), then work 90 hr shifts until you die.

Then you find out your friend lives a MUCH better life than you because his dad went to Seoul National university and he got in through blatant corruption of bribing and 'old boy' hook-ups.

In US, you see lots of bright entrepreneurs FRESH out of college. They succeed and make bank because they know how to think like a well-rounded human being. You don't see that shit in Korea. The kids graduate hoping to join the big Samsung/LG/Hyundai.

I'm starting to think you're a terrorist. Every real American knows $>*
 

Mxylplyx

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Everytime I see people bitching about US' education, I think about my life in Korea.

The Koreans go to school 7am-4pm, Mon-Sat from Jr High. Then they immediately go to 'Hakwon' which is afterschool classes/tutoring at third-party companies you pay out of pocket. It's the cultural norm to go or you WILL fall behind. Those easily last 2-3 hours. So I remember I'd leave home at 7AM, come home at 4:30PM to eat early dinner, then go to Hakwon from 6-9PM.

That was Jr High. I was fucking 11 yo.

HS is at its worst. You study day and night with no life. 7AM to 11PM-midnight. I distinctly remember asking my mom what these HS kids were doing at bus stop at middle of the night. She told me they just coming home from studying.

All you do is memorize endless and endless crap, only to spew it back in tests. There are minimal presentations or real creative ways to approach subjects. It's same math, science, and literature over and over and over. 55-60 students per teacher.

No pep rallys, no homecoming dances, no proms, no fundraisers, or activities of any kind from school. You're just a mindless drone with no life. Sure, the kids still find ways to have fun- go to karaoke, play pool, go out, etc..... but NOTHING value of relaxing comes from school. They have the highest student suicide rate in the world I believe. Japan and China are similar too.

Thank god I left that shit and came here just after 1 semester of Jr High (when shit was just about to get real). I still remember doing math assignments in some Jr High school in New Hampshire. I was like wtf, I learned this 2 years ago as a 4th grader.

That was more than 20 years ago. I think the quality of education got better. But studying-til-you-die system hasn't changed one bit.

While the intense focus by many Asian cultures on studies obviously produces many well educated individuals, particularly in science and engineering, I think the limitations it places on individual expression and creativity demonstrates why western art and culture is so much more marketable around the world. Could an Asian country have produced Apple or Disney? While I do think Americans should adopt a more culturally reinforced focus on education, I'd hate to see us become like I've seen described in Korea or China. It sounds miserable, in a culture that probably intensely frowns upon any expression of misery.
 
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While I do think Americans should adopt a more culturally reinforced focus on education, I'd hate to see us become like I've seen described in Korea or China.

There are many ways to break an egg. Reinforcing the value and quality of education in the US does not mean we have to turn our schools into clones of what you might see in China.
 

Miramonti

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Oh the irony!

The Making of Modern America

History comes alive for Duncanville educators

Engaging problem based learning activities that take students back in time are in the future for Julie Phung’s social studies classes this year. She received a few lessons herself this summer on how to bring modern American history to life in the classroom.

Phung and fellow Duncanville High School world history instructor Ted Ford attended “The Making of Modern America,” a three-day education forum that drew more than 40 Texas educators this past June to the Southern Methodist University campus in Dallas.

“The historical event I got the most from and that came alive was (when I heard) the professor of economic history speak on the depression and how FDR managed the situation,” Phung explains.

Ford’s favorite topic was World War II, especially since the forum’s schedule marked the anniversary of one of its most important battles. “It was done on the anniversary of D-Day, and veterans from WWII were invited to participate. Excellent presentation!” he explained.

Educators also collaborated in small groups, discussing new ways to help students meet the 2012-2013 state-required testing goals while keeping them engaged in their learning.

Phung’s group specifically focused on finding new challenges for students with the latest online tools. “I plan to use some of the internet resources they spoke of to help create enrichment activities such as games, and also ways to help our students incorporate more reading into the social studies daily classroom.
”

Attendees had the opportunity to hear lectures and receive one-on-one guidance from world-renowned professors, including Pulitzer Prize-winning historians David M. Kennedy of Stanford University and David M. Oshinksky of the University of Texas at Austin, and Pulitzer finalist H.W. Brands of UT Austin.

Ford appreciated their knowledge. “It made the event! I really enjoyed listening to experts who specialize in the subjects that we teach give practical information and suggestions to make us better in the classroom.”

Phung took home new ideas in problem based learning initiatives, and hopes to ask students to use what they learn about history to look for solutions to modern issues. “Medical research is so under-discussed, and given the current situation with the new health care law this is an opportune time to remind students how far we have come in our country in the last 75 years in the areas of medicine and technology!”

Phung will teach World History and Asian American Studies, and Ford will teach US and World History during the 2012-2013 school year.

Fail!
 

wirednuts

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While the intense focus by many Asian cultures on studies obviously produces many well educated individuals, particularly in science and engineering, I think the limitations it places on individual expression and creativity demonstrates why western art and culture is so much more marketable around the world. Could an Asian country have produced Apple or Disney? While I do think Americans should adopt a more culturally reinforced focus on education, I'd hate to see us become like I've seen described in Korea or China. It sounds miserable, in a culture that probably intensely frowns upon any expression of misery.

good point, but could america create a NEW disney today? we cant even remake alice in wonderland right. we need lsd to come back
 

Jodell88

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While the intense focus by many Asian cultures on studies obviously produces many well educated individuals, particularly in science and engineering, I think the limitations it places on individual expression and creativity demonstrates why western art and culture is so much more marketable around the world. Could an Asian country have produced Apple or Disney? While I do think Americans should adopt a more culturally reinforced focus on education, I'd hate to see us become like I've seen described in Korea or China. It sounds miserable, in a culture that probably intensely frowns upon any expression of misery.
Umm wut? Asian art and culture > western world IMO.

Also, you have downplayed the importance of Asian companies in your life. If Sony never made the Walkman, you would not have the iPod that you have today.

As for the "Asian Disney" see Studio Ghibli, who I have not seen a bad movie from.
 

HamburgerBoy

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Also, you have downplayed the importance of Asian companies in your life. If Sony never made the Walkman, you would not have the iPod that you have today.

lolno. I'm sure there were people that dreamed of backpacks to carry record players in the early 20th century, let alone once more portable media formats were developed (by German and American companies like Phillips, RCA, etc). In fact, a cursory glance at Wikipedia tells me that some German-Brazilian dude invented the first portable media cassette player, so lol.
 
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