Students Say Diversity Is More Important Than Free Speech

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Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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Gawd. Fascist whining about free speech belies their intent entirely which is to suppress free speech when & if they gain the power to do so. They don't believe in free speech other than as a mechanism to gain power.
 

Snarf Snarf

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Loaded question, and a poorly worded one at that. Asking for a black and white answer to a very grey issue tells us little about what any of these young people think. For example they asked which is more important, but they don't quantify that diversity could have a value of 10 and freedom of speech a value of 9.9 in levels of importance to them.

On the subject of blocking hate speech, that has always been the function of society and not of the government. We choose what is socially allowable and what isn't by letting it be known that certain things are no longer okay. There's a reason why you can't start dropping n-bombs in public today, there's a line where your speech crosses over into harassment or inflammatory behavior. Where that line gets drawn is entirely up to us.

This anti free speech narrative is a conservative talking point to push back on normal social progress. This is not a new phenomenon associated with millennials, it has always existed but with limited reach before the social media era.
 
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Jhhnn

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Loaded question, and a poorly worded one at that. Asking for a black and white answer to a very grey issue tells us little about what any of these young people think. For example they asked which is more important, but they don't quantify that diversity could have a value of 10 and freedom of speech a value of 9.9 in levels of importance to them.

On the subject of blocking hate speech, that has always been the function of society and not of the government. We choose what is socially allowable and what isn't by letting it be known that certain things are no longer okay. There's a reason why you can't start dropping n-bombs in public today, there's a line where your speech crosses over into harassment or inflammatory behavior. Where that line gets drawn is entirely up to us.

This anti free speech narrative is a conservative talking point to push back on normal social progress. This is not a new phenomenon associated with millennials, it has always existed but with limited reach before the social media era.

Well, yeh, but they're so persecuted! They demand that the govt protect their rights to say any hateful thing they want & they're more than willing to create civil disorder to force them to do so. It's why they picked Charlottesville & Berkeley. That's where they found maximum resistance from their fellow Americans. They came ready to rumble, not to talk.
 

zinfamous

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It's a strange way to ask the question but still pretty telling. This even moreso though:

Well, I agree that it is very telling that they would ask the question in a "strange" way....by "Strange" you mean "leading," right?
 

Jhhnn

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Yes, we know you love that false equivalency. I'm no great fan of Antifa. Other than protests against the G20, for example, they respond to fascists rather than staging confrontations on their own. You won't see them marching into conservative strongholds like the Alt-right did to progressives in Charlottesville & Berkeley. That's deliberate provocation & we all need to acknowledge it.
 

UNCjigga

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Guess it goes to show we can't trust college educated voters, or anyone under the age of 21 to vote, amirite??

Time to take away their voting rights? I guess it's the same thing as restricting rifle sales for anyone under 21, right?

Trying to figure out where the triggered Right is going with this...
 

Jhhnn

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Guess it goes to show we can't trust college educated voters, or anyone under the age of 21 to vote, amirite??

Time to take away their voting rights? I guess it's the same thing as restricting rifle sales for anyone under 21, right?

Trying to figure out where the triggered Right is going with this...

They're going for the "You're the real fascists!" routine, obviously.
 

soundforbjt

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Guess it goes to show we can't trust college educated voters, or anyone under the age of 21 to vote, amirite??

Time to take away their voting rights? I guess it's the same thing as restricting rifle sales for anyone under 21, right?

Trying to figure out where the triggered Right is going with this...
Triggered Right is probably scared by the upcoming student protest concerning school safety/guns in Washington, Fox has been complaining constantly about it. They are scared because students reminded them that they can vote too.
 

Stokely

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Which is more important to you, breathing or drinking? Please choose one!

And if you say one is more important, it obviously means you are completely against the other!
 
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UglyCasanova

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Yes, we know you love that false equivalency. I'm no great fan of Antifa. Other than protests against the G20, for example, they respond to fascists rather than staging confrontations on their own. You won't see them marching into conservative strongholds like the Alt-right did to progressives in Charlottesville & Berkeley. That's deliberate provocation & we all need to acknowledge it.

"Fascist" has become a pretty broad term to encompass anyone they don't agree with, just like "commie" or "socialist" has on the right. Antifa has started some shit, I don't see what the difference is between what they do vs what the alt right group in Chancellorsville did (is there a difference?).
 

soundforbjt

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"Fascist" has become a pretty broad term to encompass anyone they don't agree with, just like "commie" or "socialist" has on the right. Antifa has started some shit, I don't see what the difference is between what they do vs what the alt right group in Chancellorsville did (is there a difference?).
Murder? Would you call that a difference?
 

UglyCasanova

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Which is more important to you, breathing or drinking? Please choose one!

And if you say one is more important, it obviously means you are completely against the other!


Yeah i get that argument, it's been made numerous times in this thread. They likely asked it like that because trade offs of one vs the other is being made on college campuses, social media, and the like. The two have for some reason become at least somewhat intertwined.
 

repoman0

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Which is more important to you, breathing or drinking? Please choose one!

And if you say one is more important, it obviously means you are completely against the other!

Amazing that this isn't anyone's first thought upon reading those results.
 

Jhhnn

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"Fascist" has become a pretty broad term to encompass anyone they don't agree with, just like "commie" or "socialist" has on the right. Antifa has started some shit, I don't see what the difference is between what they do vs what the alt right group in Chancellorsville did (is there a difference?).

So lame. Antifa does not assert the supremacy of one race over another. That difference is fundamental.
 

justoh

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May as well compare free speech to cereal. Inside highered? What does that even mean? Nice source, OP. And if these kids wanted diversity then why do they all seek conformity so readily, as well as censorship? The whole point of free speech is to hear what others have to say. Uniformity isn't diversity, silly gooses.
 

unseenmorbidity

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https://www.insidehighered.com/news...ity-inclusion-more-free-expression-study-says






Pretty striking and downright frighting if accurate. Freedom of speech being one of the cornerstones of democracy, it's amazing that people think like this. The First Amendment under attack, what a time to be alive!
The first amendment is already on life support.

Social media is the new forum of discourse, and it's heavily moderated. Twitter was just recently bragging about censoring Bernie supporters in 2016.

Then you have the USA "news" media being owned by like 6 corporations, and they take money from the us govt. Clearly they won't have an agenda...
 

UglyCasanova

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I agree. I realize they are private companies so can do what they want, but ethically since they have become the dominant form of communication (and certainly enjoy the benefits of being so) they shouldn’t be in the business of censoring speech they don’t like. It really is on a lifeline and unfortunately many don’t care or worse root for its demise.
 
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