Study - more and more young men are playing video games instead of getting jobs

Svnla

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As of last year, 22 percent of men between the ages of 21 and 30 with less than a bachelor's degree reported not working at all in the previous year — up from only 9.5 percent in 2000. Overall, only 88 percent of men between the ages of 25 and 54 are working or looking for work, the third-lowest among 34 developed countries, according to the White House's Council of Economic Advisers.

This is not good. Not for those young men, not for the economy.

What will they do if later their parents are no longer able to support them or with them?

Where are all of the motivations and drives?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-video-games-jobs-emploment-20160923-story.html
 

blankslate

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Swallowed up and spit out by politicians doing the bidding of the rich... along with those same rich not telling the vast majority DILLIGAFF about your concerns? Fuck off, I'm a business man on my CELL PHONE.

As reported in a university study
https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...age-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B

Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...els-pass-400-ppm-tipping-point-maybe-for-good
that and they might as well enjoy themselves now that 400 parts per million could very well be a done deal no turning back we've crossed the Rubicon (possibly maybe...)


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Azuma Hazuki

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Gee, I wonder if this has anything to do with most of the entry level jobs being shipped overseas to the Peoples' Republic of Asscrackistan and a good deal of the remaining ones being given to illegals by greedy, unethical bosses because they can?
 
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alcoholbob

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Are streamers considered unemployed? I think some of these guys just live on paypal donations.
 

agent00f

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Gee, I wonder if this has anything to do with most of the entry level jobs being shipped overseas to the Peoples' Republic of Asscrackistan and a good deal of the remaining ones being given to illegals by greedy, unethical bosses because they can?

/pol/ basement dwellers are not going to be picking fruit or day labor in the sun anyway.
 

HamburgerBoy

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We need eugenics more than ever. People that perform simple labor have never been less valuable, yet it probably isn't an exaggeration to say that half of our population is incapable of doing much more than that. We'll probably hit a point where only a tiny minority of geniuses is capable of pushing forward our production and technological edge, where regular work entails incredible understanding, and most of us will need to die.
 

agent00f

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We need eugenics more than ever. People that perform simple labor have never been less valuable, yet it probably isn't an exaggeration to say that half of our population is incapable of doing much more than that.

Trump's your guy.
 

HamburgerBoy

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Trump's the opposite of that. He wants the most worthless people to have jobs at the expense of everything else.
 

Mai72

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Playing video games all day was an issue for me.

I was one of these guys. I'd spend hours in my little apartment playing Skyrim, Madden, etc. I was doing the same when I was in South Korea. I had enough, kicked the habit and have sworn off gaming forever. Even smartphone games. I don't even try to balance games/real life because I can't do it. I've tried and failed multiple times.

IMO, many of these young "men" are playing video games so they can escape their regular boring lives. When I was sitting around all day it was much easier to numb my brain w/ video games, YT videos and Twitch. It takes much more effort to put together your resume and look for employment. Why do that when mom cooks their meals and makes their beds. Why should they get out of their comfort zone when the thought of facing rejection is terrifying. Anyway, they can always look for a job tomorrow. 5 years passes. Then 10. Now what?

Finally, I think a lot of this falls on their parents and the school system. Many of these young "men" who are graduating today are told that they are special. Mommy's little snowflake. These boys get into the real world and they can't take criticism. The real world doesn't give a f*ck. So, these "men" go right back to their nice comfortable homes. Where they can play video games all day.
 
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Maxima1

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/pol/ basement dwellers are not going to be picking fruit or day labor in the sun anyway.

Sure, but if those jobs opened up and were available to US citizens with an increase in wage to attract people, other people could possibly transfer to them.

Finally, I think a lot of this falls on their parents and the school system. Many of these kids graduatibg today are told that they are special. Mommy's little snowflake. These kids get into the real world and they can't take criticism. The real world doesn't give a f*ck. So, these "men" go right back home to their nice comfortable homes. Where they can play video games all day.

There are more people looking for jobs than job openings. There's this farce that we have a shortage of STEM grads. Getting an engineering degree doesn't guarantee at all a job in engineering. Mediocre engineers are a dime a dozen Likewise, getting a degree in the hard sciences will leave you likely even worse off. For example, the job offerings for chemistry are so piss-poor that employers are offering $12 an hour jobs with no bennies in mudane QA stuff for BS and MS holders. Much of it has gone overseas to India and other places. Now we have increasing amounts of JIT work from temporary agencies.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...are-3-unemployed-people-every-job-opening-ob/

"Sperling said that in today’s economy, there are three people looking for work per job available. We crunched BLS numbers and got the same ratio, as did economists. The BLS data has shortcomings, some that would make the ratio higher and some that would make it lower. It also might not accurately reflect what the climate looks like from the perspective of employers or job seekers. Still, these are minor quibbles. We rate his statement True."
 

Mai72

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Sure, but if those jobs opened up and were available to US citizens with an increase in wage to attract people, other people could possibly transfer to them.



There are more people looking for jobs than job openings. There's this farce that we have a shortage of STEM grads. Getting an engineering degree doesn't guarantee at all a job in engineering. Mediocre engineers are a dime a dozen Likewise, getting a degree in the hard sciences will leave you likely even worse off. For example, the job offerings for chemistry are so piss-poor that employers are offering $12 an hour jobs with no bennies in mudane QA stuff for BS and MS holders. Much of it has gone overseas to India and other places. Now we have increasing amounts of JIT work from temporary agencies.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...are-3-unemployed-people-every-job-opening-ob/

"Sperling said that in today’s economy, there are three people looking for work per job available. We crunched BLS numbers and got the same ratio, as did economists. The BLS data has shortcomings, some that would make the ratio higher and some that would make it lower. It also might not accurately reflect what the climate looks like from the perspective of employers or job seekers. Still, these are minor quibbles. We rate his statement True."

Maybe they need to adapt? There are many more who are actually doing well. I gave a friend in sales. Hecsamells life insurance. No college. Broke $150k so far. He has 3 streams of income.

There is money out there. Maybe they should learn how to hustle instead of waiting for things to happen. It's not going to happen unless you're willing to work 12-16 hour days. Hustle your face off until you make your dreams a reality. You see, we've been conditioned to go to college and when we graduate our life will be all set up for us. We will make good money, have a family and never have to worry about anything.
 

agent00f

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Aside from all the self-fellatio and the over-simplification of what a gene does, does what he said really bother you? You don't believe that some people are born smarter, more extroverted, etc? Do you believe that we were all "created equal"?

There tends to be a lot of overconfident dumb people fixated on this, easily led to presumably do something about it. Frankly it doesn't even make any sense since it's only beneficial for the smart ones to have a permanent underclass underneath, and not so advantageous to the dummies for something to be done about them.
 

werepossum

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Why should they work? It's government's job to seize all the wealth and redistribute it fairly.
 

HamburgerBoy

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There tends to be a lot of overconfident dumb people fixated on this, easily led to presumably do something about it. Frankly it doesn't even make any sense since it's only beneficial for the smart ones to have a permanent underclass underneath, and not so advantageous to the dummies for something to be done about them.

The key is doing something about them before they've reached a developmental stage capable of processing that something is being done about them.
 

woolfe9998

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We need eugenics more than ever. People that perform simple labor have never been less valuable, yet it probably isn't an exaggeration to say that half of our population is incapable of doing much more than that. We'll probably hit a point where only a tiny minority of geniuses is capable of pushing forward our production and technological edge, where regular work entails incredible understanding, and most of us will need to die.

While its certainly true that technology has and will continue to progressively eliminate the need for manual labor, and even simple non-manual labor, technology also over time improves productivity, meaning there may well be plenty of resources to distribute to those who don't work even after making sure that everyone who works lives quite well. That, however, requires a political paradigm shift, and a leftward one, by today's standards. Or we can go with eugenics and make sure these undesirables are never born.

Your way sounds rather dystopic to me.
 

HamburgerBoy

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While its certainly true that technology has and will continue to progressively eliminate the need for manual labor, and even simple non-manual labor, technology also over time improves productivity, meaning there may well be plenty of resources to distribute to those who don't work even after making sure that everyone who works lives quite well. That, however, requires a political paradigm shift, and a leftward one, by today's standards. Or we can go with eugenics and make sure these undesirables are never born. Your way sounds rather dystopic to me.

I'm very skeptical that we will hit that post-scarcity utopia without significant depopulation. One of the main reasons is that there are limits to human need; Marxists have predicted an inevitable uprising of the underclasses in light of inequality for over a century in all countries, but you only see it where real suffering (starvation, slavery, etc) occurs. Like everything else, human standards exist on a bell curve, and as long as enough of the population is content with cheap fast food and cheap entertainment, they will never work more than it takes to fill those needs. We might (and almost certainly will) figure out how to exploit alternative energy sources better, and how to automate our basic consumption further, but we'll be limited by popular demand overall. No one will ever invent a porno holodeck if man of the 22nd century decides 3d goggles and a robotic fleshlight are good enough. Our productivity per capita is as high as ever iirc, but only because of technology, which everyone aside from the inventor class uses as a crutch to spend less man-hours on actual work. The most optimistic view I can take is that the 0.1% of the best minds will be happy enough to create just for the fun of it, but even then, I think you may begin to see a plateau of human curiosity or a wall where even geniuses can't push any further.

All of that is just a bit of a tangential rant anyways since we're not very close to approaching that. Wages continue downwards, skilled jobs are increasingly replaced by the billions from the developing world eager to take them, or by robots that are even cheaper than human wage-slaves. Meanwhile the population continues to grow exponentially, and living space is more cramped and expensive. I don't see anything dystopian about encouraging one-child policies or informing mothers than their fetus will grow up to be a defective human, if it means that those actually alive have an improved quality of life. If a person is going to be born, they may as well be born an ubermensch. Far less dystopian to me than a future of 50 billion consumers living in entertainment pods fully dependent on advances in genetic modification to keep staple crop production on par with demand.
 

Maxima1

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Maybe they need to adapt? There are many more who are actually doing well. I gave a friend in sales. Hecsamells life insurance. No college. Broke $150k so far. He has 3 streams of income.

There is money out there. Maybe they should learn how to hustle instead of waiting for things to happen. It's not going to happen unless you're willing to work 12-16 hour days. Hustle your face off until you make your dreams a reality. You see, we've been conditioned to go to college and when we graduate our life will be all set up for us. We will make good money, have a family and never have to worry about anything.

Your example is an exception. The job market does not have a glut of jobs like that. Capitalism doesn't care about people getting employed, and your expectations are a bit lofty and unreasonable. The median IQ is 100. Even then, most people aren't job creators even if they have a high salary/wage. So....
 

Jhhnn

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Why should they work? It's government's job to seize all the wealth and redistribute it fairly.

When the Job Creators have automation & foreigners do nearly all the work, what is a constructive alternative to govt redistribution of both work and income?

Technological progress dictates that we need new ways of looking at employment, whether we like it or not. Moralistic hurf burf isn't that at all, no matter how emotionally appealing that might be.
 
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