Study reveals fat people have 13x number of lost work days, cost employers more than normal people

beer

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http://apnews.myway.com//article/20070423/D8OMI9A80.html

CHICAGO (AP) - Overweight workers cost their bosses more in injury claims than their lean colleagues, suggests a study that found the heaviest employees had twice the rate of workers' compensation claims as their fit co-workers.

Obesity experts said they hope the study will convince employers to invest in programs to help fight obesity. One employment attorney warned companies that treating fat workers differently could lead to discrimination complaints.

Duke University researchers also found that the fattest workers had 13 times more lost workdays due to work-related injuries, and their medical claims for those injuries were seven times higher than their fit co-workers.


Overweight workers were more likely to have claims involving injuries to the back, wrist, arm, neck, shoulder, hip, knee and foot than other employees.

The findings were based on eight years of data from 11,728 people employed by Duke and its health system. Researchers found that workers with higher body mass indexes, or BMIs, had higher rates of workers' compensation claims.

The most obese workers - those with BMIs of 40 or higher - had the highest rates of claims and lost workdays. BMI is a measure of height and weight. A 6-foot, 300-pound person, for example, has a BMI of just over 40.

Study co-author Dr. Truls Ostbye said the findings should encourage employers to sponsor fitness programs.

"There are many promising programs," Ostbye said. "We'd like to see more research about what is truly effective."

James Hill, who heads the Center for Human Nutrition at the University of Colorado, said managers will pay attention to the findings because injuries mean more immediate financial losses than the future health-care costs of diabetes and heart disease.

"When you see that claims rates double, I think that's going to get people's attention," Hill said.

But there isn't enough good information about employer-sponsored programs that work, said John Cawley, an expert in the economics of obesity at Cornell University. Employers don't know whether paying for nutrition counseling, obesity surgery or anti-obesity drugs through health insurance makes economic sense, he said.

"It's now apparent to everybody that obesity is a big problem," Cawley said. "But the research isn't there to know where to get biggest bang for the buck."

Cawley noted that BMI does not distinguish muscle from fat and can equate a buff body builder to a couch potato. Although BMI, a measure of height and weight, is used in most obesity research, Cawley's research has found that blacks are particularly likely to be misclassified as obese by BMI.

New York employment attorney Richard Corenthal cautioned employers not to overreact with discriminatory policies.

"Employers need to be careful not to view this study as a green light to treat obese or overweight workers differently," Corenthal said.

The study, appearing in Monday's Archives of Internal Medicine, got funding from the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health.

Again, how is discrimination against fat people illegal? Time and time again, studies have shown that fat people are less reliable, less respected, and now, far more likely to cost employers more, both in downttime and in increased health care costs.

Are ultimatiums required to solve this? Why should an employer hire someone who is fat and going to cost them more than someone who is normal?

I'm not hating on obesity here, but it is disgusting and coutnerproductive and I hate the fact that my health care costs subsidizing your lifestyle. Since you're costing me money, I want answers.
 

apac

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When software engineers are paid to spend more than 1% of their time doing something besides sitting in a chair, then I could see this working.
 

OutHouse

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humm, i could stand to loose a few pounds and i have 281 hours of vacation time. guess im the exception.
 

DrPizza

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I must be another exception. I've used 1 sick day at my current job in 7 years, and have taken off a grand total of 1/2 personal day. On my former job, I called in sick 2 times in 20 years, and left sick once.
 

Lifted

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It's true.

I'm 5-10, and when I was between 200 - 220lbs for roughly two years or so, I would get sick several times over the winter, and maybe once or twice throughout the rest of the year. Now that I exercise and have dropped down to the 165 - 170 range, I was sick a total of 1 day all winter, and I wasn't nearly as bad as I was when I was overwieght and out of shape.
 

spidey07

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You're next fatties.

Smokers first, fatties next.

The precident has already been set. I can fire your butt for being fat.
 

BrownTown

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Where I worked this summer they pay you a bonus if you are in good health, and they provide access to a gym and track inside the building for free to get people healthier. It definitely is true that healthy workers are more productive, I doubt there should even be a question there. It is jsut unfortunate like was mentioned earlier how many peoples job require them to sit still all day and therefore haveto put in extra work to stay healthy.
 

yowolabi

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Originally posted by: spidey07
You're next fatties.

Smokers first, fatties next.

The precident has already been set. I can fire your butt for being fat.

The biggest difference is that you can tell if someone is fat just by looking at them. I wouldn't be as worried about being fired for being fat as not being hired because I was fat.
 

vi edit

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The sad part is that I've missed more time from athletic related problems than from actual health related ones.

I missed one day of work because I couldn't wear shoes (had both toes smashed), missed another day because I wrenched my knee, and now I'm missing time doing physical therapy on an achilles injury. All from rec leagues/exercising. :frown:

Getting old blows...things just break easier on you.
 

BoberFett

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Fatasses should also pay higher insurance premiums. They cost our health system at least as much as smokers do.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: yowolabi
Originally posted by: spidey07
You're next fatties.

Smokers first, fatties next.

The precident has already been set. I can fire your butt for being fat.

The biggest difference is that you can tell if someone is fat just by looking at them. I wouldn't be as worried about being fired for being fat as not being hired because I was fat.

The thing is the "healthcare argument" can be used to justify all kinds of discrimination.

Hey you, pre-disposed to sicle cell anemia! I'm not going to hire you. Has nothing to do with you're black, it's a healthcare problem.

See where this leads?
 

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: BrownTown
Where I worked this summer they pay you a bonus if you are in good health, and they provide access to a gym and track inside the building for free to get people healthier. It definitely is true that healthy workers are more productive, I doubt there should even be a question there. It is jsut unfortunate like was mentioned earlier how many peoples job require them to sit still all day and therefore haveto put in extra work to stay healthy.

unfortunate because why? How hard is it to spend 20 minutes in the morning to stay healthy? I'd wager most people waste upwards of an hour everyday (probably a lot more) doing way less productive and meaningless things. The problem is working out takes motivation and doesn't feel good at first, which leaves people with no will power or determination to become fat.
 

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
The sad part is that I've missed more time from athletic related problems than from actual health related ones.

I missed one day of work because I couldn't wear shoes (had both toes smashed), missed another day because I wrenched my knee, and now I'm missing time doing physical therapy on an achilles injury. All from rec leagues/exercising. :frown:

Getting old blows...things just break easier on you.

Here is a suggestion: don't play sports if your body is telling you to stop. If you are that bad or in that bad of condition, you are just asking for it by continuing.
 

Bateluer

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Interesting. I would not be opposed to higher health care and insurance costs for people grotesquely overweight, nor would it bother me if employers had a 'Get Fit or get fired' policy'. But, in keeping with that, employers should offer exercise facilities of some sort, or discounted memberships to gyms or something. You need to provide people with the proper tools to do the job you want them to do.
 

vi edit

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Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Originally posted by: vi_edit
The sad part is that I've missed more time from athletic related problems than from actual health related ones.

I missed one day of work because I couldn't wear shoes (had both toes smashed), missed another day because I wrenched my knee, and now I'm missing time doing physical therapy on an achilles injury. All from rec leagues/exercising. :frown:

Getting old blows...things just break easier on you.

Here is a suggestion: don't play sports if your body is telling you to stop. If you are that bad or in that bad of condition, you are just asking for it by continuing.

Out of curiosity, how old are you?
 

Strk

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Nov 23, 2003
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Originally posted by: apac
When software engineers are paid to spend more than 1% of their time doing something besides sitting in a chair, then I could see this working.

Because everyone is a software engineer? And why wouldn't this work? A lot more goes into being a lard ass than just sitting down 40-50 hours a week.

If people stopped eating deep-fried sugar-coated sugar, dipped in enriched sugary syrup and washed down with a cup of sugar, they wouldn't be so prone to weighing 300lbs+.
 

nonameo

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Originally posted by: Bateluer
Interesting. I would not be opposed to higher health care and insurance costs for people grotesquely overweight, nor would it bother me if employers had a 'Get Fit or get fired' policy'. But, in keeping with that, employers should offer exercise facilities of some sort, or discounted memberships to gyms or something. You need to provide people with the proper tools to do the job you want them to do.

I think time may be a bigger problem than access. It seems that having a stuffed schedule is the "in" thing this century.
 

pontifex

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Dec 5, 2000
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bahahaha...what a load of horse ******

I rarely miss work. The only time I've missed work is due to bad weather (snow) or because I was extremely sick, as in flu type sick, which is extremely rare.

Of the 12 years that I've been working, I have maybe missed 10 days (and this is generous) of work due to being sick.

Its the skinny ass bitches that take off the most.
 

pontifex

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Dec 5, 2000
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Originally posted by: beer
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20070423/D8OMI9A80.html

CHICAGO (AP) - Overweight workers cost their bosses more in injury claims than their lean colleagues, suggests a study that found the heaviest employees had twice the rate of workers' compensation claims as their fit co-workers.

Obesity experts said they hope the study will convince employers to invest in programs to help fight obesity. One employment attorney warned companies that treating fat workers differently could lead to discrimination complaints.

Duke University researchers also found that the fattest workers had 13 times more lost workdays due to work-related injuries, and their medical claims for those injuries were seven times higher than their fit co-workers.


Overweight workers were more likely to have claims involving injuries to the back, wrist, arm, neck, shoulder, hip, knee and foot than other employees.

The findings were based on eight years of data from 11,728 people employed by Duke and its health system. Researchers found that workers with higher body mass indexes, or BMIs, had higher rates of workers' compensation claims.

The most obese workers - those with BMIs of 40 or higher - had the highest rates of claims and lost workdays. BMI is a measure of height and weight. A 6-foot, 300-pound person, for example, has a BMI of just over 40.

Study co-author Dr. Truls Ostbye said the findings should encourage employers to sponsor fitness programs.

"There are many promising programs," Ostbye said. "We'd like to see more research about what is truly effective."

James Hill, who heads the Center for Human Nutrition at the University of Colorado, said managers will pay attention to the findings because injuries mean more immediate financial losses than the future health-care costs of diabetes and heart disease.

"When you see that claims rates double, I think that's going to get people's attention," Hill said.

But there isn't enough good information about employer-sponsored programs that work, said John Cawley, an expert in the economics of obesity at Cornell University. Employers don't know whether paying for nutrition counseling, obesity surgery or anti-obesity drugs through health insurance makes economic sense, he said.

"It's now apparent to everybody that obesity is a big problem," Cawley said. "But the research isn't there to know where to get biggest bang for the buck."

Cawley noted that BMI does not distinguish muscle from fat and can equate a buff body builder to a couch potato. Although BMI, a measure of height and weight, is used in most obesity research, Cawley's research has found that blacks are particularly likely to be misclassified as obese by BMI.

New York employment attorney Richard Corenthal cautioned employers not to overreact with discriminatory policies.

"Employers need to be careful not to view this study as a green light to treat obese or overweight workers differently," Corenthal said.

The study, appearing in Monday's Archives of Internal Medicine, got funding from the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health.

Again, how is discrimination against fat people illegal? Time and time again, studies have shown that fat people are less reliable, less respected, and now, far more likely to cost employers more, both in downttime and in increased health care costs.

Are ultimatiums required to solve this? Why should an employer hire someone who is fat and going to cost them more than someone who is normal?

I'm not hating on obesity here, but it is disgusting and coutnerproductive and I hate the fact that my health care costs subsidizing your lifestyle. Since you're costing me money, I want answers.

yes you are, otherwise you wouldn't make the comments you made, but apparently its ok here.

 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: pontifex
bahahaha...what a load of horse ******

I rarely miss work. The only time I've missed work is due to bad weather (snow) or because I was extremely sick, as in flu type sick, which is extremely rare.

Of the 12 years that I've been working, I have maybe missed 10 days (and this is generous) of work due to being sick.

Its the skinny ass bitches that take off the most.

Don't like facts and statistics do you? You're falling into the "but I'm just fine, so therefore I speak for all fatties!" mentality.

Facts and insurance records don't lie. Fatties are the biggest drain on healthcare there is.
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: spidey07
The thing is the "healthcare argument" can be used to justify all kinds of discrimination.

Hey you, pre-disposed to sicle cell anemia! I'm not going to hire you. Has nothing to do with you're black, it's a healthcare problem.

See where this leads?

IMHO the difference is whether or not something is under your control. Your skin color, genetic predisposition for certain illnesses, or handicap (blind, deaf, paraplegic) are NOT under your control. Being a smoker and being fat (to a certain extent) are.

Originally posted by: pontifex
bahahaha...what a load of horse ******

I rarely miss work. The only time I've missed work is due to bad weather (snow) or because I was extremely sick, as in flu type sick, which is extremely rare.

Of the 12 years that I've been working, I have maybe missed 10 days (and this is generous) of work due to being sick.

Its the skinny ass bitches that take off the most.

I think I'll believe a Duke study over the comments of some random guy on an internet forum
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: spidey07
The thing is the "healthcare argument" can be used to justify all kinds of discrimination.

Hey you, pre-disposed to sicle cell anemia! I'm not going to hire you. Has nothing to do with you're black, it's a healthcare problem.

See where this leads?

IMHO the difference is whether or not something is under your control. Your skin color, genetic predisposition for certain illnesses, or handicap (blind, deaf, paraplegic) are NOT under your control. Being a smoker and being fat (to a certain extent) are.

Meh, I watched the Movie "Gattica" when it first came out thinking "that's pretty messed up right there"

Only to see that is exactly what is happening today. It's not that far off.

Looking for the "fat gene" or the "smoker gene" are only proving that point.
 
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