stunning new archeological evidence on Jesus' life

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: jimmyj68
Everyday some idiot makes the Bible more credible. Cameron is today's idiot. Anyone who claims to be Christian (Christian, meaning one who believes in and follows the teachings of Jesus of Nazerth, the CHRIST - CHRIST was not his last name it was what and who he was) is knowledgeable enough of the Bible to know and expect all manner of claims denying the Christ. As we pass further into the centuries, 21st, 22nd etc., the claims will grow wilder and louder and seem evermore irrefutable. Check the Book Revelations - we now live in the "end times.":clock:

Jeremiah is also a good reference -

Most people have logic. Most people don't defend irrefutable ideas as well.

and again christianity tries to subvert logic yet again. well that can be said of most religions. If reasoning makes us human then we should deny it and become animals?

Claims are validated and invalidated through logic and if through logic these claims are irrefutable then they are true. So if you say the claims are irrefutable then you must succumb to them by logic. Otherwise you deny it. nice to know that Christians want to be (dogs), etc. :laugh:

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: jimmyj68
Everyday some idiot makes the Bible more credible. Cameron is today's idiot. Anyone who claims to be Christian (Christian, meaning one who believes in and follows the teachings of Jesus of Nazerth, the CHRIST - CHRIST was not his last name it was what and who he was) is knowledgeable enough of the Bible to know and expect all manner of claims denying the Christ. As we pass further into the centuries, 21st, 22nd etc., the claims will grow wilder and louder and seem evermore irrefutable. Check the Book Revelations - we now live in the "end times.":clock:

Jeremiah is also a good reference -

Most people have logic. Most people don't defend irrefutable ideas as well.

and again christianity tries to subvert logic yet again. well that can be said of most religions. If reasoning makes us human then we should deny it and become animals?

Claims are validated and invalidated through logic and if through logic these claims are irrefutable then they are true. So if you say the claims are irrefutable then you must succumb to them by logic. Otherwise you deny it. nice to know that Christians want to be (dogs), etc. :laugh:

You did a good job butchering logic in this post.

 

[Shawn]

sweet

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Even if it all turned out to be true, Christians would refuse to believe it. Religious people never, ever let facts get in the way of dogma.

examples? and please, anything other than evolution.

They only accepted that the world was round when reality beat the piss out of them, not to mention the universe revolving around us...etc.

You could come up with rock solid evidence that Jesus was nothing more than a normal preacher and that the Bible was nothing more than an elaborate book of fables and fanatics would dismiss that evidence as BS. Why? Because faith doesn't rely on reality, it relies on personal choice to believe something which cannot be proven or disproven by reality.

The entire world believed it was flat and at the center of the universe. It wasn't just Christians.

How about the age of the earth then? 6000 years anyone?

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: jimmyj68
Everyday some idiot makes the Bible more credible. Cameron is today's idiot. Anyone who claims to be Christian (Christian, meaning one who believes in and follows the teachings of Jesus of Nazerth, the CHRIST - CHRIST was not his last name it was what and who he was) is knowledgeable enough of the Bible to know and expect all manner of claims denying the Christ. As we pass further into the centuries, 21st, 22nd etc., the claims will grow wilder and louder and seem evermore irrefutable. Check the Book Revelations - we now live in the "end times.":clock:

Jeremiah is also a good reference -

Most people have logic. Most people don't defend irrefutable ideas as well.

and again christianity tries to subvert logic yet again. well that can be said of most religions. If reasoning makes us human then we should deny it and become animals?

Claims are validated and invalidated through logic and if through logic these claims are irrefutable then they are true. So if you say the claims are irrefutable then you must succumb to them by logic. Otherwise you deny it. nice to know that Christians want to be (dogs), etc. :laugh:

Yeah, and I'm sure that comparing Christians to dogs is a great way to have them listen to your line of reasoning :disgust:

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: jimmyj68
Everyday some idiot makes the Bible more credible. Cameron is today's idiot. Anyone who claims to be Christian (Christian, meaning one who believes in and follows the teachings of Jesus of Nazerth, the CHRIST - CHRIST was not his last name it was what and who he was) is knowledgeable enough of the Bible to know and expect all manner of claims denying the Christ. As we pass further into the centuries, 21st, 22nd etc., the claims will grow wilder and louder and seem evermore irrefutable. Check the Book Revelations - we now live in the "end times.":clock:

Jeremiah is also a good reference -

Most people have logic. Most people don't defend irrefutable ideas as well.

and again christianity tries to subvert logic yet again. well that can be said of most religions. If reasoning makes us human then we should deny it and become animals?

Claims are validated and invalidated through logic and if through logic these claims are irrefutable then they are true. So if you say the claims are irrefutable then you must succumb to them by logic. Otherwise you deny it. nice to know that Christians want to be (dogs), etc. :laugh:

Yeah, and I'm sure that comparing Christians to dogs is a great way to have them listen to your line of reasoning :disgust:

they listen? :Q

and it was simply a proof of my argument. That christianity is preaching animalization if you can really call it that so yes a dog is a good example. What's wrong with a dog? It's fun, loving, and a human companion but essentially not a human. A human's best friend but not a human. and on and on.

 

[Midlander]

Originally posted by: slash196
I'm surprised to see so many people brush this off. Wait, no I'm not.

How about you wait and examine the evidence before you dismiss it as bunk? Obviously there's a large burden of proof here, and Cameron obviously feels confident enough that he's willing to stake his entire reputation on it.

Sorry. I'm not going to get accept a single "proof" coming out of Hollywood. His reputation is for making money on movies. He has no credibility in the scientific arena.

 

[Pocatello]

Faith is stronger than the truth. But I suspect this is just another story about Jesus that is no closer to the truth than the bible.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: Midlander

Originally posted by: slash196
I'm surprised to see so many people brush this off. Wait, no I'm not.

How about you wait and examine the evidence before you dismiss it as bunk? Obviously there's a large burden of proof here, and Cameron obviously feels confident enough that he's willing to stake his entire reputation on it.

Sorry. I'm not going to get accept a single "proof" coming out of Hollywood. His reputation is for making money on movies. He has no credibility in the scientific arena.

so basically you choose to be ignorant. I doubt this very much nevertheless if you will not accept then you are choosing ignorance.

 

[JackBurton]

This is shocking news, I always thought Jesus was gay. Always hanging around twelves dudes, never seen "with" a woman. Come on now.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: Midlander

Originally posted by: slash196
I'm surprised to see so many people brush this off. Wait, no I'm not.

How about you wait and examine the evidence before you dismiss it as bunk? Obviously there's a large burden of proof here, and Cameron obviously feels confident enough that he's willing to stake his entire reputation on it.

Sorry. I'm not going to get accept a single "proof" coming out of Hollywood. His reputation is for making money on movies. He has no credibility in the scientific arena.

so basically you choose to be ignorant. I doubt this very much nevertheless if you will not accept then you are choosing ignorance.

Your argument is emotional. Are you honestly going to instantly believe whatever James Cameron puts into a movie?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Even if it all turned out to be true, Christians would refuse to believe it. Religious people never, ever let facts get in the way of dogma.

yup, because religious people never did change from geocentrism





anyway, jesus's name wasn't even jesus, as that is an anglified version of a greek amalgamation meaning 'god of jews.' sounds like they found the tomb of joshua and his family.




and cameron should really get around to making aquaman.

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: Midlander

Originally posted by: slash196
I'm surprised to see so many people brush this off. Wait, no I'm not.

How about you wait and examine the evidence before you dismiss it as bunk? Obviously there's a large burden of proof here, and Cameron obviously feels confident enough that he's willing to stake his entire reputation on it.

Sorry. I'm not going to get accept a single "proof" coming out of Hollywood. His reputation is for making money on movies. He has no credibility in the scientific arena.

so basically you choose to be ignorant. I doubt this very much nevertheless if you will not accept then you are choosing ignorance.

Damn... I guess we better put out an APB on John Connor than, huh?

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: Midlander

Originally posted by: slash196
I'm surprised to see so many people brush this off. Wait, no I'm not.

How about you wait and examine the evidence before you dismiss it as bunk? Obviously there's a large burden of proof here, and Cameron obviously feels confident enough that he's willing to stake his entire reputation on it.

Sorry. I'm not going to get accept a single "proof" coming out of Hollywood. His reputation is for making money on movies. He has no credibility in the scientific arena.

so basically you choose to be ignorant. I doubt this very much nevertheless if you will not accept then you are choosing ignorance.

Your argument is emotional. Are you honestly going to instantly believe whatever James Cameron puts into a movie?

oh I don't think I could get any less emotional when I really don't care... that's right. I like debate and I don't really care about which topic. If he refuses to believe something when it is proven with a decent amount of certainty then yes he is choosing ignorance. Attack the argument. Not the man. And if you look at what I said I said "I doubt this very much..."

elfenix btw sure they changed... but only after one of galileo's friends became pope. He kind of helped to shift it. but if religious beliefs can be wrong once then it is possible that they are wrong more then once or wrong altogether.

imo anything that claims absoluteness will fail because the only absolute is technically god.

 

[jimmyj68]

We don't want to and won't get into a long diatribe about the animalistic bent of Christians, but be warned (or cautioned), logic is not a panacea, and is not a part of the teachings of Christ.

Logic prompted Eve to eat the forbidden fruit - Satan tried to use logic on Christ during his 40 days of fasting. Logic justifies all manner of evil and sin in the mind of the logical thinker. Logic is the fruit of the forbidden fruit. After eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (logical thinking) Adam and Eve found it logical that they must hide from God and cover their nakedness (a word born of logic).

So - who is the source of logic??? Who is the source of truth??? You will not and are incapable of understanding that logic and truth are opposite factors.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: jimmyj68
We don't want to and won't get into a long diatribe about the animalistic bent of Christians, but be warned (or cautioned), logic is not a panacea, and is not a part of the teachings of Christ.

Logic prompted Eve to eat the forbidden fruit - Satan tried to use logic on Christ during his 40 days of fasting. Logic justifies all manner of evil and sin in the mind of the logical thinker. Logic is the fruit of the forbidden fruit. After eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (logical thinking) Adam and Eve found it logical that they must hide from God and cover their nakedness (a word born of logic).

So - who is the source of logic??? Who is the source of truth??? You will not and are incapable of understanding that logic and truth are opposite factors.

so why are you explaining if I will not understand/incapable of understanding? Do you mock me?

if you would like to rephrase then I have a few questions. If you wish not to then please, I do not wish to waste any more of your time.

do you mean fruit of the forbidden tree? What passages can you quote me in the bible about good and evil thinking? I'm curious. And please do explain the word born of logic. Do you mean applying naked+ness?

And also how do you define truth as that is essential to your claims.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Even if it all turned out to be true, Christians would refuse to believe it. Religious people never, ever let facts get in the way of dogma.

examples? and please, anything other than evolution.

They only accepted that the world was round when reality beat the piss out of them, not to mention the universe revolving around us...etc.

You could come up with rock solid evidence that Jesus was nothing more than a normal preacher and that the Bible was nothing more than an elaborate book of fables and fanatics would dismiss that evidence as BS. Why? Because faith doesn't rely on reality, it relies on personal choice to believe something which cannot be proven or disproven by reality.

The entire world believed it was flat and at the center of the universe. It wasn't just Christians.

Yes but Christians excelled at suppressing scientific knowledge or exploration and alternative ideas. If we are to hold ourselves to a higher standard than "the whole world" then why not question the status quo? Are we no better than barbarians where we cannot question something which has no basis in fact and only in faith?

Personally, I believe in God, so don't even try to pigeonhole me. However, I do not believe in Christ's divinity, nor the "divine inspiration" of the Bible. Christ was nothing more than a missionary, and a good one at that, who has been used and abused by those who seek more power. The Bible is their tool to do so.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: jimmyj68
We don't want to and won't get into a long diatribe about the animalistic bent of Christians, but be warned (or cautioned), logic is not a panacea, and is not a part of the teachings of Christ.

Logic prompted Eve to eat the forbidden fruit - Satan tried to use logic on Christ during his 40 days of fasting. Logic justifies all manner of evil and sin in the mind of the logical thinker. Logic is the fruit of the forbidden fruit. After eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (logical thinking) Adam and Eve found it logical that they must hide from God and cover their nakedness (a word born of logic).

So - who is the source of logic??? Who is the source of truth??? You will not and are incapable of understanding that logic and truth are opposite factors.

What a great way to suppress free will and thought. Sermons like this are no better than brainwashing.

 

[thehstrybean]

Wow. This thread brought out the haters and trolls...

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: thehstrybean
Wow. This thread brought out the haters and trolls...

proof required

 

[Kirby64]

Originally posted by: thehstrybean
Wow. This thread brought out the haters and trolls...

Grab a lawnchair. I'll bring the popcorn.

 

[JulesMaximus]

James Cameron made a movie about my gardener? Hmm, who'd have thought he lead such an interesting life. He mows my lawn once a week, drives a beat up old Nissan pickup and barely speaks any English...I don't see how the subject matter is all that interesting but hey, who am I to question Hollywood?

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: jimmyj68
We don't want to and won't get into a long diatribe about the animalistic bent of Christians, but be warned (or cautioned), logic is not a panacea, and is not a part of the teachings of Christ.

Logic prompted Eve to eat the forbidden fruit - Satan tried to use logic on Christ during his 40 days of fasting. Logic justifies all manner of evil and sin in the mind of the logical thinker. Logic is the fruit of the forbidden fruit. After eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (logical thinking) Adam and Eve found it logical that they must hide from God and cover their nakedness (a word born of logic).

So - who is the source of logic??? Who is the source of truth??? You will not and are incapable of understanding that logic and truth are opposite factors.

well I've given ample to change his post and sadly he has not. unless he is writing a super-long post then I apologize but I would like everyone to see that he is using logic in his post.

Logic prompted eve to eat the forbidden fruit
Satan tried to use logic on Christ during his 40 days of fasting
After eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil(logical thinking) Adam and Even found it logical that they must hide from God and cover their nakedness

They are unconnected unless you logically connect them seeing that logic is not only mentioned but that examples are being used showing how evil logic really is.

If I may be so bold I'll state that I now know why many christians refuse to justify their beliefs. To justify is of course to use logic and that is too evil. Even explanations are evil. funny though how many great thinkers(religious) in history have been scholars as well. The 3 arguments for the existence of god all use logic, infact their argument is based on it and the church awarded them sainthood. :thumbsup:

It always seems like I end threads on anandtech hehe.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: slash196
I'm surprised to see so many people brush this off. Wait, no I'm not.

How about you wait and examine the evidence before you dismiss it as bunk? Obviously there's a large burden of proof here, and Cameron obviously feels confident enough that he's willing to stake his entire reputation on it.

Cameron has a reputation in the archeological world?

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: thehstrybean

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: ivol07

But film-makers Cameron and Jacobovici claim to have amassed evidence through DNA tests

When did we get a sample of Jesus' DNA to compare?

From the Holy Grail Indiana Jones found...of course!

No, Indy contaminated it...sorry...

Besides, The Davinci Code taught us all that the Holy Grail wasn't exactly a cup anyway!