Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Originally posted by: thehstrybean
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Originally posted by: thehstrybean
Originally posted by: Yzzim
Originally posted by: ivol07
But film-makers Cameron and Jacobovici claim to have amassed evidence through DNA tests
When did we get a sample of Jesus' DNA to compare?
From the Holy Grail Indiana Jones found...of course!
No, Indy contaminated it...sorry...
Besides, The Davinci Code taught us all that the Holy Grail wasn't exactly a cup anyway!
Doesn't mean Indy didn't contaminate it.
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Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Even if it all turned out to be true, Christians would refuse to believe it. Religious people never, ever let facts get in the way of dogma.
examples? and please, anything other than evolution.
World only being 4000 years old, great flood, sodom and gomorrah, hail of fire, angels with the ability to fly, other planes of existance (heaven/hell), resurrection, etc.
Christians can accept all of those. Fundys don't, so please don't confuse the rational religious person with a fundy...
so what are your views on what jimmj68 believes? does he classify as a fundy? jw. not sure what I'm trying to bring out of it yet.
What is the rational religious person? Where does the evidence of god and jesus come from? Kierkegard talked about that alot in his essays. Is the rational religious person simply someone who believes in god? If so what is his dogma? What are his rules for living life? If his only belief is in a god then they are probably a deist which is for all intents and purposes an agnostic or atheist. They don't believe god intervenes in this world yet that he's there. So if god doesn't intervene then the rituals many perform are rendered useless. Anyway fundies are christians and most christians are atheist/agnostic if they know nothing more than that there is a god and jesus.
*sigh*...I wasn't going to get into the religious side of it, but I'll answer your questions.
The only thing that jimmy said that I can see (unless I'm reading the wrong post) is that someone will always make the Bible sound more and more correct by denying Christ, a sign of the end times. Yes, Rev. says Jesus will be coming when people denounce his name. Yes, jimmy is right in saying that every day, more and more people deny him. Europe used to be a stronghold of Christianity, but now it's largely atheistic. I really don't have an opinion on the end. We'll know it when it happens. I'll just say that...
Down here (the south), fundys are a really big thing. Most of the ones here are the extreme Church of God, Church of Christ, and some Baptist (READ: snake handlers). Usually these are the people who stand up, shake hands, speak in tongues, etc. Now that's great, and I'm not criticizing them at all. Some people feel God in different ways, but for someone who was raised a Presp., it's just not my speed. Anyways. The rational person is willing to change their beliefs based on logical thought. Many people that I know refuse to change what they believe based on logic. Once again, not a bad thing, it's just a personal thing. Fundies are the people who stand outside of funerals protesting soldiers deaths and stand on the side of the road condemning you to hell if you don't believe EXACTLY what they believe. In my opinion, those are fundys. Dogma are the beliefs of a people than cannot be questioned, so someone who allows logic to change their beliefs doesn't really have a dogma, per se.
It really varies from person to person, but many Christians are logical, everday people who let logic and rational thought influence their beliefs. I do, and a lot of people who talk with me about religion think I'm an agnostic or even atheist. I'm not really anything. I grew up Presp, like I said, and over time logic changed a lot of what I believed, except for the core stuff. Christ is the Son of God who came to earth, died for my sin, rose on the 3rd day, promises eternal life, etc. This may or may not be dogma, but the more in-depth things, like unconditional election and predestination are logical based, to me.