Stupid Textbooks are a ripoff

virtueixi

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I can understand some science texts, but Calculus I & II? After a term of use, the book is now worthless. The new book is very much the same except they changed the homework problems so you HAVE to buy it. Not to mention the book blows. I wonder how much money the school makes at the student's expense every year?:roll:
 

E equals MC2

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I used to work at a campus bookstore during college. The most ridiculous price was some 30 page engineering book that rang up as $120~

Jesus christ. That's like $4 per page! I'd just photocopy 30 pages and return the book. Those thieves.
 

thepd7

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Originally posted by: virtueixi
I can understand some science texts, but Calculus I & II? After a term of use, the book is now worthless. The new book is very much the same except they changed the homework problems so you HAVE to buy it. Not to mention the book blows. I wonder how much money the school makes at the student's expense every year?:roll:

A lot, but if they didn't make it that way they would raise tuition. Anyhow, find friends in the same major. Me and a bunch of my friends are all EE and we share/pass down books like crazy.
 

Maximus96

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When I was still in school about 3.5 to 4 years ago, all my classes has $100+ books because they were all engineering books and they keeps churning out new editions?some classes had two books. consider yourself lucky at $70.
 

thepd7

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Originally posted by: E equals MC2
I used to work at a campus bookstore during college. The most ridiculous price was some 30 page engineering book that rang up as $120~

Jesus christ. That's like $4 per page! I'd just photocopy 30 pages and return the book. Those thieves.

LOL so many people did that at my school (copied books, UTD) that you can't return EE textbooks now on or off campus bookstores, LOL.

Also, international editions on ebay are your friend. $40 instead of $100.
 

tfinch2

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Sell it on Half.com. I guarantee you'll make back more than the university would have gave you even if they were using the book. I bought all my books online this semester, it was about $250. I already sold all 4 for a little more than $200 and the semester isn't even over.
 

Sureshot324

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Buy an old edition and photocopy the homework assignments ftw! At least the good profs don't assign homework from the textbooks.
 

virtueixi

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Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: virtueixi
I can understand some science texts, but Calculus I & II? After a term of use, the book is now worthless. The new book is very much the same except they changed the homework problems so you HAVE to buy it. Not to mention the book blows. I wonder how much money the school makes at the student's expense every year?:roll:

A lot, but if they didn't make it that way they would raise tuition. Anyhow, find friends in the same major. Me and a bunch of my friends are all EE and we share/pass down books like crazy.

It's a state school!!! I actually did start sharing some texts this term.
 

BobDaMenkey

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Yeah, consider yourself lucky. My discrete math book was $95 at the start of the semester. I got $10 for it, because a new edition is coming out. Good gumdrops.

I shoulda just ebayed the sucker, but I didn't want to keep carrying it around.
 

mindmaniac

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I'm lucky my university has textbook rental for each class. It's included in my tuition and when that is only $3,000 a year who could complain, public universities rock.
 

Theb

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Yeah textbooks prices/revisions are ridiculous. I made a long blog post on ideas for driving prices down. I'll copy and past it here.
It?s almost universally agreed on at college campuses that textbooks are updated too frequently, and the updates don?t include any new information or really make the book any better. New editions are almost exclusively a way to sell more books. But what can you do about it?

Some of the professors at my school have decided to help. The math department has agreed to use the same edition for the next ten years. So books written to teach Calculus, a subject invented 300 years ago, will get a ten year run. I was able to buy a used Calculus textbook, and I?ll be able to sell it back at the end of the term. This is an excellent deal for me. Should we be worried about a sudden increase in panhandling as the authors of math textbooks are forced into the streets? It doesn?t concern me. There was a time long ago when authors only revised their books when new information needed to be added or a number of errors needed to be fixed. Chapter-shuffling every year is a relatively new idea.

If you?re a textbook author and you genuinely feel like you need to fix mistakes and add information you overlooked every year then maybe you?re in the wrong profession. Writing is a hard job, that?s why everyone isn?t doing it. If your subject hasn?t changed, but you?ve had to revise your book 7 times and you still haven?t gotten it quite right maybe it?s the author that needs to be updated.

I had to take a communication class this last term. The professor used a book that was two editions old. She is still using the 10th, the latest edition is the 12th. She didn?t order the new edition because she couldn?t find anything that was new or better.

Talk to your department heads and professors about continuing to use old editions. There are lots of old editions in great condition still floating around out there. I don?t see why we should put perfectly good books in a landfill and buy new ones.

Obviously there are some books that need to be updated. A text for any subject related to computers will need to be updated as new software and hardware is released. When archeologists make major discoveries those things should be added to history textbooks. I understand that nobody is perfect. I?m sure many authors read their book after it?s finished and groan at mistakes and things they should have done differently. I think one or two revisions are reasonable

There?s also the high cost of textbooks to consider. We?re told that it?s expensive to create books, but why are some excellent books apparently produced so much cheaper than crappy books. Here?s an example. For my programming classes the required book was Java Software Solutions by Lewis and Loftus. The book costs $90-$100 and it?s terrible. It uses a friendly compiler (jGRASP) and the examples are in color. Those are the only good things I can say about this book. The book I actually learned Java/programming from isJava: A Beginner?s Guide by Herbert Schildt. This book is fantastic and costs $25-$35. I highly recommend it. One more Java book I?ll mention is Head First Java by Kathy Sierra and Bert Bates. I?ve heard excellent things about this book. It has way more reviews on Amazon.com than Java Software Solutions (109 vs 3). Head First Java?s average review is half a star higher than Java Software Solutions and it costs less than half as much. So talk to your professors. Point out the things you don?t like about your textbooks and recommend other ones.

The key here is students talking to professors. Ask them to continue using old editions. Recommend less expensive books. I think most professors will be open to this. If a professor is particularly obstinate about getting the new edition of a crappy book for no good reason then encourage students not to take his or her class. Also consider visiting RateMyProfessors.com and letting other people know which professors are open to listening to students and which aren?t
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JS80

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Originally posted by: E equals MC2
I used to work at a campus bookstore during college. The most ridiculous price was some 30 page engineering book that rang up as $120~

Jesus christ. That's like $4 per page! I'd just photocopy 30 pages and return the book. Those thieves.

that's part of the reason why they charge $120 for a 30 page book.
 

Baked

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Originally posted by: E equals MC2
I used to work at a campus bookstore during college. The most ridiculous price was some 30 page engineering book that rang up as $120~

Jesus christ. That's like $4 per page! I'd just photocopy 30 pages and return the book. Those thieves.

Bwahahahhahha, I used to copy a sh!t load of CS books for my friends. Those motherfvckers are $200+ a book, 300 pages. Good thing they're spiral bound. So I just take out the spiral and pop the suckers into giant photo copy machines.
 

SampSon

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Textbooks are a scam. The vast majority of them don't need to be updated 1/10th the number of times they are. It's a big circle jerk of money.
Don't let anyone tell you that schools would raise tuition if textbook revenue went down, because that is a crock of sh!t.
 

Britboy

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I either buy the international edition (new or used) or the regular edition used off amazon.com then sell them on amazon when I'm done. It's cost me almost as much in shipping as it has for the net cost of the books. In other words, my text books have hardly cost me anything.
 

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uhh, the schools don't make the money, its the publisher. They do this on purpose to keep churning out new books.
 

waggy

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you can tell which professors get kickbacks also. When one proff gets new textbooks EVERY semester when there is NO reason (such as history and math). then trying to find the changes in the two is a pain. there will maybe one or two pages different.

soo glad I'm out of college heh
 

SZLiao214

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Arg, i have 5 books to sell. Only ended up using 3 of them. Hopefully i can find some people who want to buy it.
 

brtspears2

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I love it when the professor puts up his own book for his class, and when you try to sell it back, it is clearly worthless.
 

Theb

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My Complex Systems Prof has been photocopying lots of stuff for us this term. It's great because he wants us to read a bunch of books, but only like one or two chapters from each one. It's got to be a lot of extra work for him, maybe he has a student aide though.
 
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