Subaru BRZ STI disapointed.. only 200hp no Turbo

brainhulk

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i am hoping they are just milking the fanboys/early adopters. and that we will see more power later for this platform
 

satyajitmenon

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2500lbs + 200hp + RWD? Should be a fun car.

Although it would be nice if the STi version came with a turbo.
 
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Ok so it's competiting with miata/solstice/etc.. Hopefully it's priced accordingly.

Is that engine turbocharged in any other car?
 

nismotigerwvu

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RWD....2500 pounds....stock ~200HP.....sounds a lot like a stock SR 240 to me....and that sounds awesome
 

Bignate603

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2500lbs + 200hp + RWD? Should be a fun car.

Although it would be nice if the STi version came with a turbo.

That's my thoughts too. Horsepower on its own isn't really important, it's hp/weight that really matters. With it being that light 200 hp will feel more powerful than most people think. It won't be an absolute screamer, but it will be quick and fun. I do expect that we'll see a more high powered version later on, and if it shares a basic engine design with other subarus I wouldn't be surprised if we'll see people mixing and matching components to make far more powerful versions.
 

satyajitmenon

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Ok so it's competiting with miata/solstice/etc.

Only if it comes in a 'vert version. So far, no 'vert designs/prototypes released.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1112_2013_subaru_brz_prototype_first_drive/

The BRZ has the same sweet-natured nimbleness as a Mazda Miata or a Porsche Boxster. That sensation is helped by the fact that, like the Miata and the original Boxster, the BRZ's engine simply cannot outdrive the chassis. It only takes a few miles along your favorite canyon road to start wishing you had 100 more horses to play with. The car stays flat through the turns, and when pushed very hard it will oversteer, but the onset is smooth and progressive. The low mass--Subaru says production cars will weigh a feathery 2500 pounds--means you can brake later for turns, carry lots of speed through them, and still nail apexes like a sharpshooter. The BRZ rewards neatness: Get it right and we bet you can hang with the more-powerful AWD WRX through the twisties.

The 2.0-liter boxer delivers healthy mid-range punch, though a little more top-end bite would be welcome. The tach is redlined at 7400 rpm, but there's little point hanging on much past 7000 as the power delivery goes flat. The engine idles quietly, but develops a pleasing muted throb, like an STI wrapped in cotton wool, when you get active with the gas pedal. Our prototype was fitted with the automatic transmission. It felt crisp and clean in regular driving, and responsive in manual mode, matching revs on the downshifts when you fanned the left-hand paddle.

Subaru engineers quietly concede there's more power to come from the boxer four, though they won't confirm whether a turbo is in the works. They admit the BRZ structure has been engineered from the get-go to allow for a convertible version, so you can bet we'll see a softtop model within the next few years.
 
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Vert or not, your quote explains it best - that the engine can't overcome the chassis. This is different from a 350z class 2 seater that has a better than 10:1 power weight ratio.. This is like a miata, 240sx, that class of car.
 
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punjabiplaya

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rev happy, lightweight, nimble, awesome

but there's still a part of my brain yelling, "NEEDS BOOST."
 

Throckmorton

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Not enough power by modern standards, but at least it's better than the 160hp Miata! And there are guys on the Miata forums who swear up and down that more power would make the Miata worse, because "it's not about horsepower". Really? So why does Mazda make compact FWD cars with 300hp turbocharged engines?
 

NutBucket

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Is that engine turbocharged in any other car?
Nope. Its an all-new design IIRC.

The thing that makes boost tricky are the j-shaped rods. This:


I believe part of the motivation for using rods like these was to make the engine slightly narrower while allowing engineers a bit more stroke. These rods are currently used in the NA Forester engine. I'm 100% not sure if the BRZ motor uses the same rods but it seems likely based on info on the web.
 

satyajitmenon

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Nope. Its an all-new design IIRC.

The thing that makes boost tricky are the j-shaped rods. This:


I believe part of the motivation for using rods like these was to make the engine slightly narrower while allowing engineers a bit more stroke. These rods are currently used in the NA Forester engine. I'm 100% not sure if the BRZ motor uses the same rods but it seems likely based on info on the web.

Do the J-shaped rods mean they can't handle the stress of forced induction?
 

Aharami

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I read the article on it in this month's MT. This will likely be the base version with an STi version coming farther down the line. MT had a lot of good things to say about this car
 

PricklyPete

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I think this car is absolutely fantastic. Sure a boosted version later on would be nice...but a flat 4 putting out 200HP in a light car that is a treat to steer. Count me in.
 

JCH13

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I think it'll be awesome. I believe the designers focused on low weight and low CoG, so it has a lot of things going for it. I think it looks pretty sweet too.

TheRockMorton - Mazda made the MS3 to compete in the hot-hatch segment and made the Miata to revive the dying roadster segment, two very different goals. It isn't all about HP for some people. Though HP is fun (don't get me wrong, I turbo'd my Miata for a reason) it is only one dimension of vehicle performance and enjoyment. Good brakes, steering, balance, shifting feel, and suspension add a lot of fun when you're not going in a straight line, and that's more than enough for some people.

Besides, Subaru/Toyta will make a killing on new engines when tuners start to boost and inevitably blow up the engines. And there is always the "slap an STI engine in it" option. :awe:
 

roguerower

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Wow, that is one badass looking car. Wonder what sticker price will be...

I agree with JCH that HP isn't the end game for everyone. I know it isn't quite the same, but when I bought my Street Triple R I could have opted for a new Speed Triple with has a larger engine, more HP/Torque, but it loses some of the flexibility/steering/balance of the lighter Street R.
 

Throckmorton

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I think it'll be awesome. I believe the designers focused on low weight and low CoG, so it has a lot of things going for it. I think it looks pretty sweet too.

TheRockMorton - Mazda made the MS3 to compete in the hot-hatch segment and made the Miata to revive the dying roadster segment, two very different goals. It isn't all about HP for some people. Though HP is fun (don't get me wrong, I turbo'd my Miata for a reason) it is only one dimension of vehicle performance and enjoyment. Good brakes, steering, balance, shifting feel, and suspension add a lot of fun when you're not going in a straight line, and that's more than enough for some people.

Besides, Subaru/Toyta will make a killing on new engines when tuners start to boost and inevitably blow up the engines. And there is always the "slap an STI engine in it" option. :awe:

Yeah, handling is more than enough for some people... But why is power granted to "hot hatch" ricers, but not sports car drivers?
 
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