Subway Sandwiches chicken about 50% actual chicken

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The problem is the fact that they put all sorts of fillers and without these 3rd party tests we would not know. In some cases it's stuff that's bad (like the petroleum product that is used in their bread). If something says it's chicken, it should be only chicken. The whole idea that they can shove any fillers they want in our food should not be allowed. There needs more regulations on that. Or at very least regulate it on the same level as mom and pop shops are regulated... which is super extreme. Corporations need to stop getting free breaks. Soy is not as bad as some other stuff that gets put into our food, but it's still not that great for you. Something about how it messes up your hormones or something.

If a mom and pop shop was doing something like this they'd get slapped pretty hard. Heck, even if they don't, in lot of cases they're simply not allowed to sell stuff period. Like those ladies that were selling baked goods on Facebook and got arrested for it. The stuff they were selling was more than likely much better for you than stuff that comes out of a chain. At least it's normal ingredients in it. The issue is the government is more worried about licensing and other bureaucratic BS like that than the actual safety of the food. It makes it very hard for a small shop to survive as the requirements are too high when corporations can do what they want because they're so big.

Bullshit, they legally have to say this. Yes, they have tried to get away with not having to but the FDA has routinely stopped that. Like the chocolate deal. Same with "cheese product" instead of real cheese. There's tons of that.

You can't just say "it's bad" because it is nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be. In fact it absolutely is safe for consumption in how it was used (dosage matters entirely), but you hear "chemical" and lose your mind because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

See, that's the thing. Chicken you're eating isn't fucking chicken because it's typically breaded and seasoned, meaning you absolutely are not eating 100% chicken even when they aren't doing anything like you claim (about using fillers and shit), and the regulations force them to have to abide by that. They can say 100% chicken when they source it. But there's a reason why they typically say "we start with all/whole/full chicken and then bread it in our special secret recipe", because they legally cannot claim it's 100% chicken when they're breading it.

You REALLY need to actually start to know what the fuck you're talking about on basically every single subject. You consistently are way off. Do you even listen to yourself? Seriously. Your first paragraph is going "they need more regulations!" and then your second one is saying they need less. WTF? I know it's because you are woefully misinformed of so much of this stuff, but you really really really need to stop just taking stories on the slanted way you do. This is a major problem on both the right and the left, and both are so fucking horribly ignorant when it comes to topics like these, just often in total opposite directions that its absurd.

The women on Facebook weren't arrested, they were sued though. And that happened because they refused to stop doing it after being told that they were doing it on a level that required them to follow regulations for food sale. That's why.

Mom and Pop shops can do all the same food bullshit that corporations do. No idea why you think that. And lots of them do, and lots of them are sourcing their stuff from middlemen providing the same shit to major chains.

I highly doubt the shit they were selling was any healthier. Home made doesn't not mean it's any healthier. Same with "from scratch". It certainly can, but it often doesn't. Like when people say "we used to eat so much healthier", straight up bullshit. Cracked has had several articles on recipes that used to be common, and holy shit they're full of disgusting stuff (and lots of process things). We're talking stuff like meat in jell-o. Even when they'd eat "healthy" they'd slather butter and lard on veggies and shit (if you think that's healthy then you're outright delusional). Among many many other things that made food absolutely worse in the past.

What pisses me off the most about people like you is that there are legitimate situations that resemble some of the things you believe, but you then project that across the entirety of the industry and believe every single thing that supports your beliefs on the subject versus actually knowing what the situation is. And then you go around supporting politicians that actively are doing the opposite of what you want done because again you let your ignorance and willfulness to make things support what you want to believe that you can't see it.
 
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I'm pretty sure having opinions on very subjective matters like food is still allowed here.

I like fast food. Of chains that serve sandwiches I've been to Arby's, Quiznos, Panera Bread, Cosi, Jersey Mike's, Subway. I have yet to try Firehouse or Potbelly but both are easy enough for me to get to. Subway was easily the worst with Arby's coming in a close second.

Expanding to include all types of fast food chains, Subway is still the worst to me, and you can add in Smashburger as a shitty chain also. I've tried Carls Jr, Rallys, Whataburger, Five Guys, McD's, Wendys, Burger King, In n Out, Sonic, Jack in the Box, Fuddruckers, Jonny Rockets, Red Robin, Shake Shack and probably some more. Smashburger was acceptable once at an airport, we were famished. So I went back and it was flavorless. I finished it but I had to make myself, I didn't want to waste money.

Last time I ate at Subway I got a Cold Cut Combo with plenty of toppings for flavor. The toppings look appealing, but that's it. It's the last meal I can remember that I had no urge to continue eating shortly after starting it. The only other meal in recent history I didn't want to eat was a chicken sandwich I got from a local bodega - I bit into it and it was rancid. I had to spit it out. Subway was not on that level obviously, it was just bad.

That's my take on things.

Really? And yet, you're the one saying absolutes. After all, I'd never been to a real deli. And you're "pretty certain that Subway is the ultimate piece of crap" that doesn't sound like opinion, that is you literally saying that you're certain of something which is not a subjective opinion.

Also, you are outright insane about Jersey Mike's. I ate there last night to see what the hubub you were making about it was. Wow, possibly the worst value at a sandwich shop I've ever had. I have gotten a sub with more toppings and at minimum equal (and often times considerably more) meat every single time I've eaten at Subway. And it cost me easily twice as much at Jersey Mike's.

They wanted $15 for a 15" BLT sub, oh and it would be $1 extra for cheese (might've been more on the large sub, on the regular which is half that size it was $1 extra). I could literally get 2 (not long ago, I could get a foot long BLT for $5 there, so could've gotten 3) "footlong" BLT subs (with cheese) for that price at Subway. And there was nothing special at all about the flavor of Jersey Mike's (tried a bite of others' turkey and cheesesteak and it was just typical chain level across the board, nothing special at all). In fact, for you calling Subway bland, I really have to wonder if you smoke crack before eating Jersey Mike's as they had every bit as bland and also far less options for toppings. 3 bland (white American, swiss, and provolone) cheeses? Bland white onions, bland mayo. Pickles were good (but nothing special, better than Subway's though). Didn't try the chili pepper topping they had. And then they had stock banana peppers and jalapenos (well and shredded lettuce and sliced tomato too).

You really are not being objective at all if you think Jersey Mike's is some crazy good sub but Subway is bland. Considering Jersey Mike's was easily double the price for equal food as Subway, it is absolutely absurd to say it's amazing and Subway is garbage. Either you're eating out of Subway's dumpsters or those shops need shut down. Or maybe they're putting crack in the Jersey Mike's places out there.

And again, I don't even think Subway is amazing, its just fast food sub sandwich. Frankly I think even they are overpriced. But damn are these other places even worse.
 

Ns1

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I just don't see how you can come to the conclusion that JM is bland, given the explosion of oregano, oil, and vinegar at the end. Add the relish and seriously the vinegar levels are borderline out of control.

But, respect for trying it out and hey, different strokes for different folks.
 

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I just don't see how you can come to the conclusion that JM is bland, given the explosion of oregano, oil, and vinegar at the end. Add the relish and seriously the vinegar levels are borderline out of control.

But, respect for trying it out and hey, different strokes for different folks.

there was a jersey mike's across the street, ate there a few times. not a bad sandwich but too expensive... that one shut down a while back.

anyone here try panera bread? there isn't one near me but it looks pretty good.
 

Red Squirrel

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Sure if you ask maybe they have to say it, but they'll just go around the question and say "it does contain some seasonings and other products but it is up to our standards". The issue is that most people would not even think of asking. When you buy something that says it is something, you would expect it to be that something. Seasonings and stuff are normal. But 50% of something else, not really.

I would also not really consider breading as being "a filler" as it's on top of it. That's almost like a condiment and is normal. The problem is what is IN the chicken. When you buy something and it says chicken, most would assume that it's chicken and not question it. Not half chicken and half of who knows what. Ok so in this case it was soy which is not THAT bad, but it's the principle. Not to mention people who may be allergic to that, who would not even think of asking, because who would think it would be in there. I can't recall what it was, but some other food item was found to use cellulose as a filler, now that's probably worse. It's mostly shredded newspaper and possibly fire retardants, so maybe not THAT harmful, but it still does not belong in food. Companies need to stop being allowed to do this kind of crap just to maximize profits.

Then there's the whole pink slime stuff, which is pretty nasty as well, thankfully it's illegal here, for now. If Trudeau does indeed sign the TPP then we can kiss all our food regulations good bye.

My biggest issue with all this is how the smaller shops like local businesses are regulated 6 ways to Sunday, but yet these corporations can do whatever the hell they want to our food because they're so big.

Most people don't go get fast food thinking it's going to be good for them, but there should still be regulations to ensure that there are not fillers or crap being added to deceive customers. If something is being sold as chicken, it should be chicken.
 

louis redfoot

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bottom line: if your chicken/turkey isn't stringy or has bubbles, it's processed (ie a hot dog). not that i have a problem with hot dogs, just don't pretend.

always look for whole cut: it should be stringy, shred

 

cbrunny

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Subway should sue. And the CBC should be embarrassed of this clusterfuck and ashamed. And Trent University should stop talking about this before they get sued too. CBC will lose. $210 mil is steep, but they deserve what's coming. CBC really grinds my gears to begin with, so I have no sympathy for them in this case.
 

Red Squirrel

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http://www.businessinsider.com/subway-chicken-scandal-2017-3

TFW you get sued for libel.

i hope subway loses.

just because that's my money CBC is playing with.

It's a piss off that they can even be sued for that. That is one of the things so wrong with the justice system. This is going to be a long drawn court case and going to cost CBC a lot of money regardless of if they win or not.

CBC simply laid out some facts from a study. You should not be able to sue someone for saying facts.
 

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It's a piss off that they can even be sued for that. That is one of the things so wrong with the justice system. This is going to be a long drawn court case and going to cost CBC a lot of money regardless of if they win or not.

CBC simply laid out some facts from a study. You should not be able to sue someone for saying facts.

BS. They thought they had some sort of smoking gun and wanted to drop a bombshell for ratings. They should have confirmed their results using the correct methods before they went around slinging falsities. They won't even issue a retraction (according to that business insider article). If they had retracted after it and apologized, I doubt Subway would have gone through with suing them due to the publicity involved in doing so. However, CBC refuses to retract their obviously false narrative (I'm presuming because their idiot lawyers told them it would make them look more culpable in their inept, libelous actions).

They gambled and lost. Now, they will rightfully lose in court.
 

cbrunny

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It's a piss off that they can even be sued for that. That is one of the things so wrong with the justice system. This is going to be a long drawn court case and going to cost CBC a lot of money regardless of if they win or not.

CBC simply laid out some facts from a study. You should not be able to sue someone for saying facts.
uhh... what do you think a "fact" is?
 

Red Squirrel

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BS. They thought they had some sort of smoking gun and wanted to drop a bombshell for ratings. They should have confirmed their results using the correct methods before they went around slinging falsities. They won't even issue a retraction (according to that business insider article). If they had retracted after it and apologized, I doubt Subway would have gone through with suing them due to the publicity involved in doing so. However, CBC refuses to retract their obviously false narrative (I'm presuming because their idiot lawyers told them it would make them look more culpable in their inept, libelous actions).

They gambled and lost. Now, they will rightfully lose in court.

uhh... what do you think a "fact" is?



Wait is there new developments on this? Was the study found to be false? Ex: a separate independent study? (I won't accept anything that comes from Subway, of course they're going to send a piece of real chicken to the lab to be tested).

From what I gathered it was not CBC themselves that did the study, it was just them reporting the results. Don't shoot the messenger. I would not necessarily fault the scientists either provided they used right methodology etc and did not lie about the results, which I can't see why they would.
 

Kaido

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It's a piss off that they can even be sued for that. That is one of the things so wrong with the justice system. This is going to be a long drawn court case and going to cost CBC a lot of money regardless of if they win or not.

CBC simply laid out some facts from a study. You should not be able to sue someone for saying facts.

The problem is, they published the story from a single, independent study (from a university, no less). What is stopping anyone else from doing a one-off study about something similar & making headlines? Subway's business is now hurt due to facts that may or may not be true. Who's to say that particular chicken that day wasn't stored in a bin to marinate because the minimum-wage worker was feeling lazy? Did they get chicken from multiple restaurants? Did they have other labs independently verify their findings before taking it to a public news corporation? Subway has different claims:

https://consumerist.com/2017/03/07/subway-fires-back-at-50-chicken-claim/

The tests, conducted by Maxxam Analytics in Canada [PDF] and Elisa Technologies, Inc. in Florida [PDF], used an enzyme-linked process to quantify how much soy was in Subway’s chicken, Ars Technica reports.

The two labs conducted separate tests to determine the amount of soy protein in the chicken samples. One lab used an antibody that binds to soy flour proteins, while another test used known concentrations of soy proteins for comparison.

Both labs determined that less than 1% soy protein was present in all samples. Subway claims that this 1% is a result of marinades and spices used on the chicken.

Specifically, Elisa detected 3 parts-per-million or less of soy proteins and Maxxam detected 5.3 ppm of soy protein in the chicken. Subway contends that either figure translates to less than 1% soy content in the chicken.

The traces of soy, Subway says, are the result of a small percent of remaining marinade ingredients, which help keeps the chicken moist and flavorful.

So two independent labs using reproduceable, industry-standard techniques vs. one college report. tbh, it's not looking real good for CBC. But maybe they made $300 million off advertising on that segment, so getting sued for $200 million still leaves with them a profit, who knows?
 

cbrunny

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Wait is there new developments on this? Was the study found to be false? Ex: a separate independent study? (I won't accept anything that comes from Subway, of course they're going to send a piece of real chicken to the lab to be tested).

From what I gathered it was not CBC themselves that did the study, it was just them reporting the results. Don't shoot the messenger. I would not necessarily fault the scientists either provided they used right methodology etc and did not lie about the results, which I can't see why they would.
Fake news to you I guess, since it doesn't fit with your narrative?
 

Red Squirrel

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The problem is, they published the story from a single, independent study (from a university, no less). What is stopping anyone else from doing a one-off study about something similar & making headlines? Subway's business is now hurt due to facts that may or may not be true. Who's to say that particular chicken that day wasn't stored in a bin to marinate because the minimum-wage worker was feeling lazy? Did they get chicken from multiple restaurants? Did they have other labs independently verify their findings before taking it to a public news corporation? Subway has different claims:

https://consumerist.com/2017/03/07/subway-fires-back-at-50-chicken-claim/



So two independent labs using reproduceable, industry-standard techniques vs. one college report. tbh, it's not looking real good for CBC. But maybe they made $300 million off advertising on that segment, so getting sued for $200 million still leaves with them a profit, who knows?

Hmmm ok then, I had not heard that other independent studies had indeed been done. I had heard of one where Subway sent a sample, but I would not qualify that as independent. If these ones just went to a random subway and ordered a sub and used that chicken then I'd say it's valid. But with science you need to repeat it, so idealy they should probably run this study a bunch more times with samples from different stores on different days before drawing conclusions on either side. That goes for the original study, as it sounds like it was maybe not scientific enough. But if it's 2 vs 1 in favour of being real chicken then perhaps the CBC one is wrong after all. That said, at the time, they thought those were facts, so I still don't think they should be held liable. But perhaps they should do a redaction and talk about the other studies, once more samples are tested.

Imagine if you could sue The Weather Network every time they're wrong about the forecast. Wait, can we make a class action lawsuit for that? I'm in.
 

cbrunny

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http://business.financialpost.com/n...e-cbc-for-report-claiming-chicken-is-half-soy

TORONTO — The CBC says it has been served with a statement of claim from Subway over a TV report.

A spokesman for the broadcaster will only say the CBC will defend itself against the lawsuit.

Subway reacted angrily after a CBC “Marketplace” report in February said chicken at many of the chain’s southern Ontario outlets was roughly half soy.

Subway called the report false and misleading.

It said its own analysis found only trace amounts of soy in its chicken.

The CBC said it stood by its report, saying the DNA tests were done by independent and credible experts.

Lawsuit filed. CBC stands by its decision. Idiots.
 

Svnla

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Just had a foot long subway today because I did not want to fight the traffic to buy lunch. Ordered one of Spicy Italian for $5.xx plus tax so the total price as little over $6.

Not horrible but not great either. Probably will not be back for another month or so.
 

AznAnarchy99

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Just had a foot long subway today because I did not want to fight the traffic to buy lunch. Ordered one of Spicy Italian for $5.xx plus tax so the total price as little over $6.

Not horrible but not great either. Probably will not be back for another month or so.

Yeah Subway is usually my emergency meal as well if I'm too cheap to do Postmates that day.
 

slag

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I'm trying to go meat free for a month, 4-17 to 5-17. So far, no problem, but its only been 2 days. I will add that the veggie sammich from Schlotzsky's is very good. I didn't even notice there wasn't any meat on it it was that good. Tonight we are having eggplant parmesan. Never had it, but it looks like it might be good.
 

cbrunny

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eggplant parm is fantastic when cooked properly. we went meat free for a while a few years back. its a refreshing change.
 

ponyo

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I'm trying to go meat free for a month, 4-17 to 5-17. So far, no problem, but its only been 2 days. I will add that the veggie sammich from Schlotzsky's is very good. I didn't even notice there wasn't any meat on it it was that good. Tonight we are having eggplant parmesan. Never had it, but it looks like it might be good.
One month? I wouldn't make it past couple of days max. Good luck.
 

Kaido

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eggplant parm is fantastic when cooked properly. we went meat free for a while a few years back. its a refreshing change.

It really is. I've done the whole bit (vegetarian/vegan/raw vegan/fruitarian) and it introduced me to a whole lot of great-tasting foods. You also don't feel so heavy eating fresh veggie dishes vs. meat dishes (although I've come to value that heaviness because there are some days when you just want to come home, eat a massive burger, and take a nap lol). Eggplant parm, lentil soup, etc. are all really great. One of my personal top 3 chocolate-chip cookie recipes is actually 100% vegan & everybody loves it:

http://catch42.pbworks.com/w/page/78284306/Chocolate Chip Cookies
 

Kaido

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I'm trying to go meat free for a month, 4-17 to 5-17. So far, no problem, but its only been 2 days. I will add that the veggie sammich from Schlotzsky's is very good. I didn't even notice there wasn't any meat on it it was that good. Tonight we are having eggplant parmesan. Never had it, but it looks like it might be good.

Serious Eats has a ton of good recipes if you don't mind doing the meal prep yourself. A few to look at:

Pancakes
Lemon-blueberry scones
Ramen
Spring rolls
Wheat thins
Chocolate-frosted graham cracker-style cookies

Lots of good pre-made stuff at Whole Foods & Trader Joe's too.
 

Kaido

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One month? I wouldn't make it past couple of days max. Good luck.

The hardest part is the meal prep, or if you don't want to do meal prep, the cost. The frozen pre-made stuff can get pretty expensive. And it depends on why you're going vegan...eating boca burgers & tofutti ice cream isn't really going vegan for health reasons, haha.
 

slag

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Serious Eats has a ton of good recipes if you don't mind doing the meal prep yourself. A few to look at:

Pancakes
Lemon-blueberry scones
Ramen
Spring rolls
Wheat thins
Chocolate-frosted graham cracker-style cookies

Lots of good pre-made stuff at Whole Foods & Trader Joe's too.

I'm using that site already. It's my go to, but thanks for the link. No whole foods or Trader Joes, but we do have a world market that has lots of vegetarian options. Thanks again, friend. I don't mind the meal prep, that's like half the fun part.
 
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