Sugar substitutes and Type 2 Diabetes.

Remobz

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As of today, what is the verdict on sugar substitutes? Safe or not?

People with Type 2 Diabetes need some some sort of sugar substitutes.

Advice please.
 

Kaido

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It's more about 'protein-loading & sugar quantity' than 'safe or not', from what I understand. It's only not safe if you bomb yourself with sugar & have no protein etc beforehand. I work with a lot of diabetics who eat whatever they want, they're just careful about having a protein snack beforehand (the lower in saturated fat, the better) & don't overdue it with the quantity of sugar or carbs they consume. Bread & milk are going to have a similar effect that sugars are going to have.

The approach to diabetes has kind of changed from "never eat sugar or carbs" to simply making a dietary adjustment. It's different for everyone, and everyone's tolerance levels vary, but that's the gist of what I've been told from my Type II friends. Like you can sub out a dessert treat for bread or whatever.

Are you looking for sugar options for yourself, or for someone else? There are some alternatives available, but not everyone has the palette for them. For example, some people like stevia, but I find the aftertaste to be horrible.
 
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shortylickens

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My doctor told me that artificial sweeteners trick the brain and can also screw with your blood sugar and/or insulin.

He is a GP, not a specialist. But he's always taken good care of me.
 

kage69

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Stevia is what you want. Honey and (real) maple syrup are both good white sugar alternatives IMO, but still rate too high on the glycemic index for some people I know.

Just steer clear of aspartame, Splenda, and anything to do with 'corn sugar.'

If you consume honey that's produced locally, supposedly it helps with allergies too.
 

Kaido

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If you consume honey that's produced locally, supposedly it helps with allergies too.

There's never been a single study that has shown honey to be effective against seasonal allergies, but after like ten people at work swore by it, I finally bought an (oddly expensive) jar of local honey last year and started eating a spoonful or two a day by itself or in a smoothie or whatever.

For the first time in my life, I did not experience seasonal allergies. No itchy, burning red eyes & no running or congested nose. I hate to use psuedo-science for recommendations, but it apparently worked for me & I will definitely be using it again this spring :biggrin:
 

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There are many sugars substitute and artificial sugar that are promise to deliver zero calories sweetness and taste like sugar. But some times we bombarded with health scares , the name of this sugar substitute are NutraSweet, Splenda, Truvia etc.
 

kage69

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There are many sugars substitute and artificial sugar that are promise to deliver zero calories sweetness and taste like sugar. But some times we bombarded with health scares , the name of this sugar substitute are NutraSweet, Splenda, Truvia etc.

Ten post! You give iPod now?
 

kage69

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There's never been a single study that has shown honey to be effective against seasonal allergies, but after like ten people at work swore by it, I finally bought an (oddly expensive) jar of local honey last year and started eating a spoonful or two a day by itself or in a smoothie or whatever.

For the first time in my life, I did not experience seasonal allergies. No itchy, burning red eyes & no running or congested nose. I hate to use psuedo-science for recommendations, but it apparently worked for me & I will definitely be using it again this spring :biggrin:

Nice! It worked for my wife like it did for you. Good call on taking it via a cold medium, instead of cooking all the goods in scalding tea, my crone of choice says that's key. I'd say it dropped my Claritin use maybe 75%. Gonna keep it up too, I hear it improves with time. Taking allergy pills sucks, seems like they all make me feel tired and irritable to various degrees. What's not to like about honey?
 

Kaido

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Nice! It worked for my wife like it did for you. Good call on taking it via a cold medium, instead of cooking all the goods in scalding tea, my crone of choice says that's key. I'd say it dropped my Claritin use maybe 75%. Gonna keep it up too, I hear it improves with time. Taking allergy pills sucks, seems like they all make me feel tired and irritable to various degrees. What's not to like about honey?

Yeah, I didn't use Claritin at all last year. I mean, I had some other issues I was working on with my food allergies in general, but it was pretty dramatic to go from the usual assortment if dry, itchy eyes & running or stuffy nose to being able to breathe & not have eye discomfort on a regular basis :thumbsup:
 

RossMAN

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How does stevia compare to agave nectar which is available from CostCo B&M for cheap.

I won't ask which is healthier, which isn't as bad for you?
 

Zivic

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There's never been a single study that has shown honey to be effective against seasonal allergies, but after like ten people at work swore by it, I finally bought an (oddly expensive) jar of local honey last year and started eating a spoonful or two a day by itself or in a smoothie or whatever.

For the first time in my life, I did not experience seasonal allergies. No itchy, burning red eyes & no running or congested nose. I hate to use psuedo-science for recommendations, but it apparently worked for me & I will definitely be using it again this spring :biggrin:


I believe honey is a sort of super food.... and best of all, it is kind of just there for us. we need to just go get it.

your comment had me thinking:
I am a farmer, and my wife sells at the local farmers market...at one market she sells next to a honey vendor. one of the last markets of the season she brought home a jar of what the vendor said was the best honey they make. it was in a small, maybe 6 oz jar. Very light in color compared to most of the honeys I have eaten. I don't know what it was about it, but that 'ish was GOOD. I eat a serving or two of honey most days, and I usually buy what is labeled as local at store, but it doesn't compare. Anyways, I need to track some more of that down...

I know I consume a fair amount of artificial sweeteners in my protein shakes, BCAA, and other supps I take. I have no aversion to any. I do buy into the belief that they trigger some sort of brain/insulin response, so I personally would strategically avoid them if you are a diabetic. I know my lifestyle and diet isn't the norm, but I think it just comes down to not consuming soda pop, most breads as well as most pastas. If you can avoid carbs out of an overly processed type, dealing with type II diabetes shouldn't be too difficult........

^^^ that said, if they had that type of dietary control, they likely wouldn't have diabetes in the first place
 

blackdogdeek

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Apologies for continuing the thread derail, but for those of you who know honey, if I wanted to try to ward off my spring tree pollen allergies, would I try to find a local honey harvested in the same time frame (ie - april/may)?
 

Kaido

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your comment had me thinking:
I am a farmer, and my wife sells at the local farmers market...at one market she sells next to a honey vendor. one of the last markets of the season she brought home a jar of what the vendor said was the best honey they make. it was in a small, maybe 6 oz jar. Very light in color compared to most of the honeys I have eaten. I don't know what it was about it, but that 'ish was GOOD. I eat a serving or two of honey most days, and I usually buy what is labeled as local at store, but it doesn't compare. Anyways, I need to track some more of that down...

What you're looking for is probably Tupelo honey. Easiest way to get it is from Y.S. Ecobees off Amazon, which is a good starter jar for under $10 shipped:

http://www.amazon.com/Tupelo-YS-Eco-...dp/B003BI2EUW/

I recently started ordering bulk & get it from Smiley honey now:

http://www.smileyhoney.com/

Either way, make sure it's the "Tupelo" honey (the bees dope up on tupelo trees, which makes the honey crazy delicious). Interesting little article on it here:

http://www.thekitchn.com/whats-so-special-about-tupelo-83436

The stuff is so good it hardly resembles what you usually associate with honey. It's super awesome! Also, it's better straight-up than as a baking ingredient...the flavor goes back to regular honey if you add it to food, but if you add it ON food (like on vanilla ice cream or a pizzelle cookie or whatever), the taste is amazingly potent & good.
 

Kaido

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Apologies for continuing the thread derail, but for those of you who know honey, if I wanted to try to ward off my spring tree pollen allergies, would I try to find a local honey harvested in the same time frame (ie - april/may)?

I haven't gotten into it that deeply, and I have no idea when or where mine came from other than it was from somewhere in my area since it was from some small local farmer. All I can say is that I took it & last year I didn't get pollen-death like I usually do. Again, I hate to recommend things that don't have stuff like multiple double-blind trials & long-term studies backing it up, but at worst, you have an extra jar of delicious honey to eat, you know? Worth a shot either way.

I'd imagine the closer you can get to your particular area (and heck, timeframe) the better results you'd get, but we're already in pseudo-science area, so hey, what the heck
 

Kaido

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I know I consume a fair amount of artificial sweeteners in my protein shakes, BCAA, and other supps I take. I have no aversion to any. I do buy into the belief that they trigger some sort of brain/insulin response, so I personally would strategically avoid them if you are a diabetic. I know my lifestyle and diet isn't the norm, but I think it just comes down to not consuming soda pop, most breads as well as most pastas. If you can avoid carbs out of an overly processed type, dealing with type II diabetes shouldn't be too difficult........

^^^ that said, if they had that type of dietary control, they likely wouldn't have diabetes in the first place

I don't know if it's so much dietary control as lack of a real education about food combinations...I think people get overwhelmed with all the info they get thrown at them, especially if their energy is wiped from their blood sugar issues. For example, I did the Fruitarian diet over the summer for a few months, which is basically pure sugar, and felt awesome. No negative results from my physical (and my teeth didn't rot out, which was a bonus!). Low fat plus high fiber makes the high sugar/calories/carbs work without any negative repercussions. If you ever want to read a really interesting book on sugar, check out "Potatoes not Prozac":

http://www.amazon.com/Potatoes-Not-P...dp/141655615X/

It says certain people get addicted to sugar, particularly in 4 foods:

1. Sugar (treats)
2. Pasta (converts to sugar quickly in the body)
3. Bread (same)
4. Alcohol (same, but with the added buzz of the alcoholic content)

So an alcoholic is the same as the overweight kid stuffing his face with sugar all the time (*raises hand* on the latter) in terms of sugar addiction, which is a pretty interesting concept. And that spiderwebs out into a whole mess of things: you don't want to change your diet because you love what you eat & your crave it, you don't have the energy to even think about trying new recipes, your blood sugar is all over the map, and so on. One interesting thing is that the Fruitarian diet works very well for people who are diabetic, which is counter-intuitive because it's pure sugar & carbs, due to the high fiber & low fat content of fruit.

Anyway, I work with several diabetics and they mostly just manage it through their diet, like eating protein before they eat a bagel, and being careful not to overload their body with too many carbs at once. The hard part is changing your habits & accepting that you can't just eat whatever you want without negative consequences. You don't have to be stuck eating crummy healthfood if you're willing to put in some research, but I think a lot of people have that barrier of "I love to eat X now and I'll have to eat yucky Y if I change my diet".
 

Raghu

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Alcohol does not convert to blood glucose. It can be oxidized for energy directly by cells. Some alcohol does convert to fat (liver), and in this sense is similar to fructose. Excess alcohol/fructose causes fatty liver disease.

Fructose does not raise blood glucose (insulin) - might be ok in small quantities as a sweetener for diabetics, if they are otherwise in good health (particularly liver).
 

Kaido

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Interesting find on Stevia. http://stevenandersonfamily.blogspot.com/2014/02/my-review-of-trim-healthy-mama-thm-good.html -it may not be good for humans!
I am rethinking my use of it every day but man is it hard to find unbiased information on the internet about low Glycemic sweeteners. AFA I am concerned anything artificial is not an option.
Coconut palm sugar MAYBE ???

Coconut sugar is gross imo, have you tried it? Yuck. But then again, I hate stevia too, can't stand the aftertaste. I've tried them all...coconut sugar, date sugar, etc. Right now I'm using beet sugar (same as sugarcane sugar), simply because I'm allergic to the grass & grains family.
 

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Thanks Kaido, I too have tried a lot of them, and each one seem to have a downside. (taste, GI, cost, liquid nature (ugh). I will try the beet sugar, it is one of the few I have not tried. ThanksI have tried Coconut in muffins and coffee, seem fine (Wholesome Sweeteners brand).
Sorry to hi-Jack Remobz
 
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