suggestions for gaming build

faroukabad

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Hi - I need to build for Doom3, I need suggestions for a midrange price. I need a mobo, cpu, memory, ide drive or sata drive, vidcard, and psu? The case comes with a 350 watt psu but I was thinking I should probably upgrade to at least a 450 watt. For the rest I can use my old stuff. I already decided on the Antec Lanboy case. I'l be using the rig for gaming and game development, no internet or office stuff. Oh, yeah, and a reasonably priced soundcard suggestion. I had been looking at the socket 754 stuff, but can't figure out which mobo and which cpu. Other suggestions are welcome.
 

KhoiFather

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How much you willing to spend? That's what we all need to know before we can give you suggestions.
 

faroukabad

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I was thinking around 500-700 bucks, maybe with the vidcard it would probably be closer to 700.
 

faroukabad

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Thanks, that does describe my budget pretty accurately, the 939 stuff would be great but it's economically out of reach for me. That overclock they did was pretty amazing, and the guy reckons it didn't need as much cooling as they gave it to run stable.
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: faroukabad
I was thinking around 500-700 bucks, maybe with the vidcard it would probably be closer to 700.

At that budget, I would get an Athlon XP-M setup (2400+ to 2600+) w/ an Abit NF7-S and 1GB PC3200RAM. That will set you back around $300, which will leave you $400 to buy a 6800GT. Hopefully you'll get good prices and you'll have enough left over for a case, *QUALITY* PSU, HSF, keyboard, and mouse.

I'm suggesting the XP-M because at your budget you want as much graphics performance as possible. The XP-M will probably hit 2400mhz at the least, which is very close to an A64 3200+ performance-wise, if not faster in some cases. Mine runs fine at 2500mhz at 1.80v. If you were to buy an A64, you would have only $200 or so left over to buy your graphics card with. That won't get you any better than a 9800PRO.
 

faroukabad

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Hmmm, so if I want the 64 I'm going to have to try and up the budget a bit. I can see I'm going to need a better video card than I thought. I was thinking the 9800 pro would do it, but realistically probably not.
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: faroukabad
Hmmm, so if I want the 64 I'm going to have to try and up the budget a bit. I can see I'm going to need a better video card than I thought. I was thinking the 9800 pro would do it, but realistically probably not.

Well, I just read that even the 6800U can't even run properly at 1024x768 w/ all the features turned on. That spells disaster for anyone trying to run the game on a 9800PRO IMO. We'll have to wait and see; the article may be total hogwash. Your best bet in this situation is to wait 2-3 weeks for the game to be released before you make your decision.

The 9800PRO is a very capable card in today's games, but forget about it for anything more advanced coming down the pike.
 

faroukabad

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Well, I have a radeon 8500 which is listed in the Doom3 specs as the minimum requirement, so ostensibly I could build and use the radeon until the game actually comes out and is benchmarked, and get a new vid card then. Which would give me time to save up more money towards the vid card. I do like the Athlon XP M idea, though. Thing is, I now have a P3 1 gig, I don't think Doom3 will even run on that. The minimum requirememnt seems to be a 1.6 P4. The Doom3 alpha runs on the P3 at about 15 fps.
 

Illissius

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Even then you would be CPU-limited.
It's dual proc as well, and I've heard rumors that D3 is multithreaded .

EDIT - Goddamnit. Every single post I put
instead of ["Q"], and then I have to go back and edit it :/.

EDIT again - Oh god. And now it decided to interpret the ["Q"] I did in that last sentence :/.... edit again.
 

Cerb

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Originally posted by: SickBeast
Originally posted by: faroukabad
Hmmm, so if I want the 64 I'm going to have to try and up the budget a bit. I can see I'm going to need a better video card than I thought. I was thinking the 9800 pro would do it, but realistically probably not.

Well, I just read that even the 6800U can't even run properly at 1024x768 w/ all the features turned on. That spells disaster for anyone trying to run the game on a 9800PRO IMO. We'll have to wait and see; the article may be total hogwash. Your best bet in this situation is to wait 2-3 weeks for the game to be released before you make your decision.

The 9800PRO is a very capable card in today's games, but forget about it for anything more advanced coming down the pike.
Yeah, but I can make a 5900XT wish it were dead with SS:tSE (1800+ @ 2GHz) at 1024x768. For a game coming out right now, no PC out there should be able to run with all the eye candy at a decent speed. That doesn't mean it won't look better than 99% of other games.

1. They must support current systems. A P4 2GHz or 2000+ w/ a single channel of DDR RAM, and a DX8 video card. They can justify 512MB RAM, but anything more, and too many people would not be able to play it.
2. That doesn't mean it shouldn't also be able to choke a dual 6800U w/ 3.4Es.

Personally, I'd have to recommend a XP-M as well, as you're on a real budget strain w/ a A64, and I'd bet a fair penny you'll be better off with a balanced CPU, RAM and video setup rather than a A64 and skimping elsewhere.
 

gxsaurav

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Guys, plz tell me M I ready overall,

Rig 1
Pentium 4 3.06 GHz with 533 FSB & HT, 512 MB RAM,Soundblaster Audigy, Radeon 9600 Pro with 128 MB RAM( Gigabyte)

Rig 2
Pentium 4 2.4B GHz, 512 MB RAM,Onboard Sound, 845GEBV2 Mobo, Gigabyte FX 5700 with 128 MB RAM non Ultra
 

Cerb

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Rig 1. Lesser video for OpenGL, but there's more CPU (I hope at least single channel PC3200, if not dual), and the Audigy will ease the CPU load. The FX will perform better, but a 2.4B, 845 chipset and onboard sound will hurt a good bit.
 

gxsaurav

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OK, the ram is in dual channel mode in 865GBF mobo,

What if I add FX5700 with 3.06 GHz, will that be fine
 

boran

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sorry I have to say this:
fer gods sake, the game is not out yet, you dont know the minimum nor reccomended specs, nor do you even know if the game is good. so go ahead and spend money for a game that isnt released yet, but imho this is not smart, when you dont need to upgrade (future needs dont count) dont upgrade, prices can only go down (sith some exceptions in the memory department)
 

PsharkJF

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Originally posted by: boran
sorry I have to say this:
fer gods sake, the game is not out yet, you dont know the minimum nor reccomended specs, nor do you even know if the game is good. so go ahead and spend money for a game that isnt released yet, but imho this is not smart, when you dont need to upgrade (future needs dont count) dont upgrade, prices can only go down (sith some exceptions in the memory department)

thank god someone has some common sense here
 

FlameDeer

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You can take THIS rig from Evan as basic guide.

Change to AXP-M, more ram & better display card and that will fit in your $700 budget as a good upgrade.
 

faroukabad

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From PC Gamer magazine, Doom3 review:

"Yeah, I was lucky enough to receive my copy today, so I'll share it with you guys.

1. 6800 is a tad faster than X800 cards. Both run it in full glory

2. The game has four render paths: NV10, NV20, R200, and ARB2. All paths look awesome, even down to a g4mx, but the ARB2 path is the "full package," and is used for the R300+ and Geforce FX+ cards. It does all it's fancy isht in one pass.

3. PCI Express enhances NOTHING.

4. The difference between a 128mb and 256mb card is that the former uses compressed textures whereas the latter only compresses diffuse and specualr maps. In another words, no big deal. However, a 500mb card is needed to run the game in Ultra Quality mode.

5. 512MB is the ideal system total memory. 384 is required, 1GB is nice, but the difference is negligible.

6. Nothing special is included for a 64-bit OS.

7. A 1.5 Ghz processor is the least recommended, but a 2Ghz and above will help since...

8...The sound engine is entirely CPU dependant. Therefore a cruppy soundcard works flawlessly. Not to worry, the enfine only uses a "small percentage of cycles, much less than if the engine relied on a soundcard.

9. The only reccommendation regarding faster framerates is to disable to "advanced special effects option." In other words, upgrade if you have problems.

10. They tie it up by providing three levels of "Doom lovin' PC's"

Low-End:
1.5GhzP4 or equivalent
512MB Ram
Geforce4 Ti 4800 or Radeon 9500

Mid-Range:
2.4GhzP4 or equivalent
1GB RAM
Geforce5950 or Radeon 9800 Pro/XT

High_End: Aka Hardware that doesn't exist, but best guess anyway
3.4GhzP4 or AMD equivalent
2GB RAM
GeForce 6800 Ultra or Radeon X800 XT PE.

In conclusion, the game will run well on a variety of hardware, and Rob Duffy, the lead programmer, says that the game looks real good no matter what, and that it will continue to look better as hardware improves. Like all previous id engines, we'll be playing games based on D3 for another five years down the road.

Enjoy everybody!"


I have been following the development of Doom3 closely for about a year, I've seen the alpha, I know I'm going to like it. I've studied all the info available about editing for the game, of which a fair amount exists because of the alpha leak. All I can say is, I'm ready to start editing for Doom3 as soon as I get my preordered copy, so I'm ready to build.

About the XP-M and the Asus N7N8X mobo, will the stock heatsink fit or would I have to find another model that will?
( edit - it told me me there was dirty words in there so I had to find them all and change them.)
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: faroukabad
About the XP-M and the Asus N7N8X mobo, will the stock heatsink fit or would I have to find another model that will?
( edit - it told me me there was dirty words in there so I had to find them all and change them.)

The stock cooler will fit ANY motherboard AFAIK.

You shouldn't use the stock cooler if you plan to overclock though. The XP-M's get very hot once they hit 2400mhz or so, depending on the voltage used. You should seriously invest $30 in a good Thermalright HSF. Get an SLK-800A at the very least. I prefer the models that clip onto the socket as they make CPU upgrades much easier.

By the way, the XP-M's are all OEM and do not come with a stock cooler. Just get a Thermalright!

The SLK-800A fits both the A7N8X and the Abit NF7-S as I have used mine on both boards.
 

Mik3y

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Originally posted by: JackHawksmoor
What is this "Provantage" place, and how are they selling a Geforce 6800GT for $340!?! Is that for real?

i've seen them for $300, so just look around and u'll get an even better deal.
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
RYU-KEN!!!

Nice finds; you found excellent components at very low prices. You managed to do what I thought was impossible: a 6800GT paired w/ an A64 for ~$700. The only problem I've found so far is that the 6800GT is backordered which is a huge PITA should be avoided IMO. Your A64/motherboard combo is what really intrigues me though; to me that is a better buy than the mobile setup, and that is saying alot.
 
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