Suicide. In general.

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Apr 12, 2010
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Start a Right to Die movement. You'll get my support. I think it's one of the stupidest fucking laws around, if not the stupidest. We aren't anyones slaves here, we're free men and women. Fuck those who think they own us and our bodies.
I would. But my leadership skills leave something to be desired & my communication can come out as verbal vomit before I realize it. Which leave enough room for error to nitpick at all of what's in between the lines.
However if someone else were to start something of the sort I'd pitch in & help out.
However 1 person or a group of peoples deaths won't make an impact. Kevorkian's work seems to have pretty much been panned altogether.

I could write lengthy blog articles on this topic for days on end. But they'd end up as verbal vomit as well.
Where is a petition to put this into effect?
 

lothar

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Do people feel the same way with suicide bombers? If that was the question asked, how will your opinion change? Will your opinion even change at all compared to the suicide types of the "emo" variety?
 

chubbyfatazn

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It takes courage to stay and fight. What would happen to the human race when things inevitably get tough and we all chose to end it? Everyone encounters challenges.

Challenges is too broad a term for this situation. It's not like the challenge of figuring out how to change your first flat when you're already late to work.

With regard to life insurance policies, I thought I read somewhere that for most companies if you offed yourself within two years of taking one out the company wouldn't pay up... there's got to be some clause in there that addresses this.
 

HybridSquirrel

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7 billion people on earth.


If it was someone close to me, then yeah I would be sad but thats just part of life.
 

Beev

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I would only kill myself as an extreme last resort, as in, my life CANNOT be turned around.

If I reach that point I will go on a killing spree before finally dying in a wild police shootout. Huzzah!
 

HybridSquirrel

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I would only kill myself as an extreme last resort, as in, my life CANNOT be turned around.

If I reach that point I will go on a killing spree before finally dying in a wild police shootout. Huzzah!

Please, re-consider that. You are just causing more useless deaths. Suicide by cop is the worst type of suicide around. If you hate yourself, why would you go kill other people?


Suicide I can stand, Suicide by cop people deserve to be anally gaped by a Balrog in hell.
 
Apr 12, 2010
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Bill collector's always go out of their way to stress motherfuckers out.
Them calling me is portion of why I ended up in the psych ward.

Is it possible to file complaints against these companies for undue stress or some such shit?
 

SandEagle

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Aug 4, 2007
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I would only kill myself as an extreme last resort, as in, my life CANNOT be turned around.

If I reach that point I will go on a killing spree before finally dying in a wildyou can police shootout. Huzzah!

please provide an example of when you CANNOT turn your life around? i can't think of any
 

mattpegher

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When I was a teen, about 14 or so, I attempted suicide. I ingested a bottle of aspirin, I remember counting out the pills, 96. Luckily, I vomited most of them up. I experience about 12 hours of agony (metabolic acidosis with respiratory alkalosis), but I survived. I felt so foolish afterward, I didnt even tell my parents what I had done.
Why did I do it, I was not sane. To this day, I know that the reasons that I used to justify my actions were rediculous. But at the time, they seemed real and overwhelming. I realize now that it was a moment of neurotransmitter deficency, that manifest as severe depression. There was no life trauma to blame.
I was soon back to normal mentally and emotionally, and time showed that my fears were baseless.

So the likelyhood that suicidal patients are not making rational decisions is very high, the medical community knows this and so society chooses to protect these patients.
The converse of this is the patient with chronic pain or terminal illness. These patients may be allowed to minimize there suffering even if it hastens their death. It may be hard to know when we should allow them to actual enact their own death, as each case is different.

Depression is a disease, a chemical disease, much like diabetes, one cannot chose not to have it. There are therapies both medicinal and behavioral.
 

SlitheryDee

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I don't feel sorry that they're dead. Obviously that was what they wanted to be.

I feel sorry when I imagine what kind of life they must have had to cause them to want to be dead.

I'm not going to be one of those people who says "You can't die, you have so much to live for" though. Maybe they didn't have anything to live for. Maybe their life could never have been any better. Maybe they made the right choice.

As for me, I'm hanging on to life with everything I have. I think every part of it is wonderful, even the bad parts. My life isn't great. I'm sure some people would think it's dull and sad, but for some reason I'm currently enjoying the fuck out of it.
 

Jaskalas

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Mixed.

A normal, healthy person could hardly understand what prolonged severe pain is like. I am thankful to be healthy, but I sometimes wonder just how much misery I could take. I don't suppose I want to find out, apparently neither do they.
 

ShawnD1

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Start a Right to Die movement.

I think I started a thread about that once...
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2111353

I was driving home from work. As usual, some retard is trying to merge onto a highway going half the speed limit. This time was a bit different. This retard actually came to a full stop because she couldn't merge properly. Then she tries to merge from a dead stop onto a highway while driving a compact car. Classic suicide attempt.

Why do we try to restrict guns? If everyone owned a gun, people could just kill themselves at home instead of going on city streets and hoping an 18 wheeler runs them over. Every other driver's life was put in danger just because this one person wants to die. please support right to die legislation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_die
 

Gooberlx2

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Here is something really relevant, it's a suicide note, it's moving and powerful, it's worth reading, at the end it says only to be republished in it's entirety, so that's what I've done.

http://gizmodo.com/5726667/the-agonizing-last-words-of-bill-zeller

This is a post from Bill Zeller, a talented, depressed programmer who took his own life recently. If you have the time read this completely it's awful, and upsetting, but it will help you understand the mind set of someone suicidal or possibly with a mental health condition and I think that is something that everyone should understand. I'm crying from having read it. RIP.

Exactly the case I was thinking of when this topic came up. Your original thread on that suicide was well discussed. To me, that note well illustrates the torment some people can endure for only so long.
 

SandEagle

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If you owe the mob 10 million, You have aids, the plane is busy falling.... etc etc

owe the mob? move out the country. if they catch you, oh well, you planned on killing yourself anyway.

aids? lot of progress in modern day medicine to treat it. condoms are cheap.

planeis busy falling? yea, u got me there
 

RampantAndroid

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I think the 'law' is fine. If suicide was 'legal', couldn't people just take out massive life insurance policies, off themselves, then leave a fortune for their families?

How about...it'd be legal to kill yourself, but your family only qualifies for a fraction of your life insurance, if any at all.

I'm pretty sure most life insurance policies have clauses about suicide. I'm fine with that. I'm not fine with government or religion trying to define my life. If I decide I'm done, I'm done. No law will stop me. If the gun is in my mouth, I'm not going to pause because it's illegal. I'll pause because I know the pain it'd cause friends and family.
 

zinfamous

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In general, I say it is extremely cowardly thing to do. I feel no sympathy toward people that commit suicide, especially the ones who leave family behind, even more especially the ones with children. It is about as low as a thing as you can do, to abandon your loved ones. Fuck them. No sympathy from this end.

For the record my wife had two brothers who killed themselves. Both had children. I have one brother, if I found out he killed himself, I'd probably want to take a piss on his body.

You're a real wiener.

:thumbsup:
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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owe the mob? move out the country. if they catch you, oh well, you planned on killing yourself anyway.

aids? lot of progress in modern day medicine to treat it. condoms are cheap.

planeis busy falling? yea, u got me there

No where you can hide with a 10 million debt.

Aids = Your fucked

Plane going down = Your fucked
 
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please provide an example of when you CANNOT turn your life around? i can't think of any
I know I'm pushing 50K or more in debt. Probably. I haven't looked since I finished school which was last around 30K, before incurring more debt.
Before incurring those bullshit medical bills, that I shouldn't have been in the hospital for, in the first place, I stayed on top of my own bills & debt. Until a few years ago.
I went to school so I could land a steady job & make decent income. But that hasn't happened.
Last I looked my credit score was around 300. 4 something years ago.
At the rate it is going I will never own a house, or anything nice.
Unless I happen to land a 50K++ job tomorrow, like I was promised when I started college. Or I magically come across a massive amount of money. This current financial situation does not appear to be reversible, at this point.
However, if I were dead, I wouldn't have to pay off debt for which I don't have income to pay & continue living a life of debt & constant harassment from bill collector's. This isn't any way to live.
Yep...
 

RampantAndroid

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I know I'm pushing 50K or more in debt. Probably. I haven't looked since I finished school which was last around 30K, before incurring more debt.
Before incurring those bullshit medical bills, that I shouldn't have been in the hospital for, in the first place, I stayed on top of my own bills & debt. Until a few years ago.
I went to school so I could land a steady job & make decent income. But that hasn't happened.
Last I looked my credit score was around 300. 4 something years ago.
At the rate it is going I will never own a house, or anything nice.
Unless I happen to land a 50K++ job tomorrow, like I was promised when I started college. Or I magically come across a massive amount of money. This current financial situation does not appear to be reversible, at this point.
However, if I were dead, I wouldn't have to pay off debt for which I don't have income to pay & continue living a life of debt & constant harassment from bill collector's. This isn't any way to live.
Yep...


The simple answer to him is a medical condition. If I lost the use of my body below my neck, I'd probably be begging to be put down.
 

SandEagle

Lifer
Aug 4, 2007
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I know I'm pushing 50K or more in debt. Probably. I haven't looked since I finished school which was last around 30K, before incurring more debt.
Before incurring those bullshit medical bills, that I shouldn't have been in the hospital for, in the first place, I stayed on top of my own bills & debt. Until a few years ago.
I went to school so I could land a steady job & make decent income. But that hasn't happened.
Last I looked my credit score was around 300. 4 something years ago.
At the rate it is going I will never own a house, or anything nice.
Unless I happen to land a 50K++ job tomorrow, like I was promised when I started college. Or I magically come across a massive amount of money. This current financial situation does not appear to be reversible, at this point.
However, if I were dead, I wouldn't have to pay off debt for which I don't have income to pay & continue living a life of debt & constant harassment from bill collector's. This isn't any way to live.
Yep...

10 yrs ago, i was stuck with 2 kids, no job, and about 50k in cc and school debt. felt hopeless. didnt give up though. lived like a bum in a hell part of town, cheap rent, got a job and paid that off in 3 years. then bought a home, had a few more kids, racked up about 30k more in bs debt. felt hopeless again. just last month bought it all down to fvkng 0!. its a cycle man, just gotta deal with it. imagine if u were in your position with kids. could be worse. why not file bankruptcy?
 
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dardarla

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please provide an example of when you CANNOT turn your life around? i can't think of any

It doesn't matter if someone is trapped or not, whether or not they can work through a situation. What matters is that they FEEL trapped, they feel hopeless, they feel overwhelming depression and psychological pain every single day.

It's not about what the 'real' (external) situation is, it's about what's going on in their head (internal).

Mental illness and depression are real things. It doesn't matter if resources are out there if you can't even comprehend how to access them, why you need them, etc.

I just figured out that there was something very broken about my mind and I'm 21 years old. How could I know my brain was broken if I never experienced normal? How could I be expected to communicate that I was having problems understanding and relating to people when I was five years old? I was just 'creative', 'dreamy', overly energetic, no one bothered to ask me if I felt off. I knew from a very young age something was wrong with me, but I was afraid to tell anyone that. It took a year for my boyfriend to get me to the point that I could ask a doctor for help, for anything. The first time I took my current medication I cried, because I couldn't believe how disconnected I was from reality before. It felt amazing to just be a part of the world. I no longer felt like my own worst enemy. I could finally just be.

It scares me to think of what I could have become without the right help.
 
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