Suicide. In general.

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Lifer
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As someone who has been there and also someone who counsels others thinking about it ,I want to try to clear a few things up about suicide. You cannot , as a person who is doing okay in life, imagine what a suicidal person is going through. A suicidal person develops tunnel vision. Whenever a suicidal person is in the moment they cannot see other options, they are not thinking clearly and you could surround them with people telling them other options and the majority will not consider them viable, because to them, those options will not solve the problem . Often you are dealing with people who have already considered other options and that is why they have arrived at the decision they are making. There is a quote from someone who committed suicide that answers the question of if it is cowardly "What gives you the right to ask me to go on living in pain just so you can be spared the pain of my death ?"


The best you can do with a suicidal person is to listen and not judge. One of the most effective ways of helping someone like this is to get them some treatment where hopefully they can have enough time away from their current situation to begin to think a little clearer. People ask me what goes on when someone like this goes for treatment at a hospital. It is pretty simple why it works. The patient is removed from the environment where the problems are. The family is cut off from seeing the person unless the person wants them to. The person then has all the daily needs fulfilled like food and rest without them having to focus on them , it is like a short vacation from their life giving them the chance to recover, a time out where the world isn't crashing in on them so they can decide what the best thing to do really is.
 

lokiju

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I feel sad in that it's a mental illness of depression or related problem that leads to this.

A mentally healthy person would not commit suicide.

A person that does did not or could not get the helped needed to resolve the root cause of their problems that lead to the act of doing it.

Even more so I'm sad for the friends and family that are left behind that have to live with the pain for the rest of their lives that the act of suicide of a loved one causes.

It's easy to say it's dumb or good riddance or they were weak or any other cold comment like that but the reality is they were someones child, someones spouse, sibling, parent. Their loss while not directly impacting to someone that did not personally know them well still has a huge impact on those that did.

Empathy, it's what distinguishes us from animals. Don't be afraid to experience it at some point.

FWIW I recently had a friend I've known since I was a single digit age commit suicide and left behind his wife and two children. I've had time to think about these things.

I was not close with him for a long time but still had infrequent interactions with him over the years.
 
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ShawnD1

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People dont kill themselves cuz they wanna be dead.

Its cuz they want their pain to end.

Yeah but that's why it's bad. We should fight to keep people in pain as long as possible. Remember how I said doctors in Canada won't give out prescription pain killers unless they SAW you get stabbed? That's the way it should be. My friend with a broken hand and an x-ray showing that he has a broken hand was not given pain killers, and that's the way it should be. Pain brings you closer to god. My dad also couldn't get pain killers when he had a botched root canal with the nerves exposed. That's good. Pain brings you closer to god! Who needs to work or take care of kids when you have god? Pain is good and we should make government programs to force people to suffer.
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My country really is like this. It's run by psychopaths who enjoy watching people suffer. I hate humans so god damn much. The evil ones (politicians) should kill themselves so the people suffering don't need to.


My dad killed himself when I was in my 20's. I felt a lot of different emotions when it happened, (sorrow, anger), but he had severe bipolar depression so I think in the long run it was better for him. He basically hated his life for 10 years and was heavily medicated.

I sometimes get upset that my daughter won't know her grandfather, but I don't think that it would be good to see him in a medicated state either.
It's possible he was on the wrong medication. I've seen medicated bipolar people, and it was surprising how stable they were. They were still a bit... over the top, but not CRAZY like they were before.
 

IGemini

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And what about the ones who rebound out of it versus the ones who don't. What is the difference? I guess more along the same lines of thinking, those who crack under torture and those who don't, what is the difference?

If that is what you were getting at, if not screw me what was your main point?

That the issue is too complex to pass simple judgment.
 

69Mach1

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I can say for sure that when a person is suicidal they are not in their right mind. When you feel that way it seems like nothing has any value and that anything you do to fix it makes it worse. It is very hard to overcome the negative feelings. I've been there and if I hadn't had a really good anchor I am certain I would have checked out then. If you have never been there, consider yourself fortunate and have a little compassion.
 

HAL9000

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In general, I say it is extremely cowardly thing to do. I feel no sympathy toward people that commit suicide, especially the ones who leave family behind, even more especially the ones with children. It is about as low as a thing as you can do, to abandon your loved ones. Fuck them. No sympathy from this end.

For the record my wife had two brothers who killed themselves. Both had children. I have one brother, if I found out he killed himself, I'd probably want to take a piss on his body.

Suicide is hard concept for people without depressive problems to get to grips with, I understand why people do it, I feel bad for those people being in whatever situation they were in that lead them to it, rather than feeling bad about the actual act, as it could have been a relief for them.

The only reason I haven't killed myself is because of how it would affect my family. The thought of them getting a phone call or a police officer turning up is what makes me hold back at that last moment. People without that I can completely understand, but I also don't hate people who do it when they have family and dependants, some see it as selfish, but to be forced to stay in a suffering existence is selfish on the part of those you are staying for in my opinion no one should be forced to go through that because it's "selfish".

I think the biggest tragedies with regards to suicide are people who make a spur of the moment decision, people who make a long term calculated decision I don't despair for as much, although still tragic.
 

HAL9000

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Here is something really relevant, it's a suicide note, it's moving and powerful, it's worth reading, at the end it says only to be republished in it's entirety, so that's what I've done.

http://gizmodo.com/5726667/the-agonizing-last-words-of-bill-zeller

This is a post from Bill Zeller, a talented, depressed programmer who took his own life recently. If you have the time read this completely it's awful, and upsetting, but it will help you understand the mind set of someone suicidal or possibly with a mental health condition and I think that is something that everyone should understand. I'm crying from having read it. RIP.

Bill Zeller
I have the urge to declare my sanity and justify my actions, but I assume I'll never be able to convince anyone that this was the right decision. Maybe it's true that anyone who does this is insane by definition, but I can at least explain my reasoning. I considered not writing any of this because of how personal it is, but I like tying up loose ends and don't want people to wonder why I did this. Since I've never spoken to anyone about what happened to me, people would likely draw the wrong conclusions.

My first memories as a child are of being raped, repeatedly. This has affected every aspect of my life. This darkness, which is the only way I can describe it, has followed me like a fog, but at times intensified and overwhelmed me, usually triggered by a distinct situation. In kindergarten I couldn't use the bathroom and would stand petrified whenever I needed to, which started a trend of awkward and unexplained social behavior. The damage that was done to my body still prevents me from using the bathroom normally, but now it's less of a physical impediment than a daily reminder of what was done to me.

This darkness followed me as I grew up. I remember spending hours playing with legos, having my world consist of me and a box of cold, plastic blocks. Just waiting for everything to end. It's the same thing I do now, but instead of legos it's surfing the web or reading or listening to a baseball game. Most of my life has been spent feeling dead inside, waiting for my body to catch up.

At times growing up I would feel inconsolable rage, but I never connected this to what happened until puberty. I was able to keep the darkness at bay for a few hours at a time by doing things that required intense concentration, but it would always come back. Programming appealed to me for this reason. I was never particularly fond of computers or mathematically inclined, but the temporary peace it would provide was like a drug. But the darkness always returned and built up something like a tolerance, because programming has become less and less of a refuge.

The darkness is with me nearly every time I wake up. I feel like a grime is covering me. I feel like I'm trapped in a contimated body that no amount of washing will clean. Whenever I think about what happened I feel manic and itchy and can't concentrate on anything else. It manifests itself in hours of eating or staying up for days at a time or sleeping for sixteen hours straight or week long programming binges or constantly going to the gym. I'm exhausted from feeling like this every hour of every day.

Three to four nights a week I have nightmares about what happened. It makes me avoid sleep and constantly tired, because sleeping with what feels like hours of nightmares is not restful. I wake up sweaty and furious. I'm reminded every morning of what was done to me and the control it has over my life.

I've never been able to stop thinking about what happened to me and this hampered my social interactions. I would be angry and lost in thought and then be interrupted by someone saying "Hi" or making small talk, unable to understand why I seemed cold and distant. I walked around, viewing the outside world from a distant portal behind my eyes, unable to perform normal human niceties. I wondered what it would be like to take to other people without what happened constantly on my mind, and I wondered if other people had similar experiences that they were better able to mask.

Alcohol was also something that let me escape the darkness. It would always find me later, though, and it was always angry that I managed to escape and it made me pay. Many of the irresponsible things I did were the result of the darkness. Obviously I'm responsible for every decision and action, including this one, but there are reasons why things happen the way they do.

Alcohol and other drugs provided a way to ignore the realities of my situation. It was easy to spend the night drinking and forget that I had no future to look forward to. I never liked what alcohol did to me, but it was better than facing my existence honestly. I haven't touched alcohol or any other drug in over seven months (and no drugs or alcohol will be involved when I do this) and this has forced me to evaluate my life in an honest and clear way. There's no future here. The darkness will always be with me.

I used to think if I solved some problem or achieved some goal, maybe he would leave. It was comforting to identify tangible issues as the source of my problems instead of something that I'll never be able to change. I thought that if I got into to a good college, or a good grad school, or lost weight, or went to the gym nearly every day for a year, or created programs that millions of people used, or spent a summer or California or New York or published papers that I was proud of, then maybe I would feel some peace and not be constantly haunted and unhappy. But nothing I did made a dent in how depressed I was on a daily basis and nothing was in any way fulfilling. I'm not sure why I ever thought that would change anything.

I didn't realize how deep a hold he had on me and my life until my first relationship. I stupidly assumed that no matter how the darkness affected me personally, my romantic relationships would somehow be separated and protected. Growing up I viewed my future relationships as a possible escape from this thing that haunts me every day, but I began to realize how entangled it was with every aspect of my life and how it is never going to release me. Instead of being an escape, relationships and romantic contact with other people only intensified everything about him that I couldn't stand. I will never be able to have a relationship in which he is not the focus, affecting every aspect of my romantic interactions.

Relationships always started out fine and I'd be able to ignore him for a few weeks. But as we got closer emotionally the darkness would return and every night it'd be me, her and the darkness in a black and gruesome threesome. He would surround me and penetrate me and the more we did the more intense it became. It made me hate being touched, because as long as we were separated I could view her like an outsider viewing something good and kind and untainted. Once we touched, the darkness would envelope her too and take her over and the evil inside me would surround her. I always felt like I was infecting anyone I was with.

Relationships didn't work. No one I dated was the right match, and I thought that maybe if I found the right person it would overwhelm him. Part of me knew that finding the right person wouldn't help, so I became interested in girls who obviously had no interest in me. For a while I thought I was gay. I convinced myself that it wasn't the darkness at all, but rather my orientation, because this would give me control over why things didn't feel "right". The fact that the darkness affected sexual matters most intensely made this idea make some sense and I convinced myself of this for a number of years, starting in college after my first relationship ended. I told people I was gay (at Trinity, not at Princeton), even though I wasn't attracted to men and kept finding myself interested in girls. Because if being gay wasn't the answer, then what was? People thought I was avoiding my orientation, but I was actually avoiding the truth, which is that while I'm straight, I will never be content with anyone. I know now that the darkness will never leave.

Last spring I met someone who was unlike anyone else I'd ever met. Someone who showed me just how well two people could get along and how much I could care about another human being. Someone I know I could be with and love for the rest of my life, if I weren't so fucked up. Amazingly, she liked me. She liked the shell of the man the darkness had left behind. But it didn't matter because I couldn't be alone with her. It was never just the two of us, it was always the three of us: her, me and the darkness. The closer we got, the more intensely I'd feel the darkness, like some evil mirror of my emotions. All the closeness we had and I loved was complemented by agony that I couldn't stand, from him. I realized that I would never be able to give her, or anyone, all of me or only me. She could never have me without the darkness and evil inside me. I could never have just her, without the darkness being a part of all of our interactions. I will never be able to be at peace or content or in a healthy relationship. I realized the futility of the romantic part of my life. If I had never met her, I would have realized this as soon as I met someone else who I meshed similarly well with. It's likely that things wouldn't have worked out with her and we would have broken up (with our relationship ending, like the majority of relationships do) even if I didn't have this problem, since we only dated for a short time. But I will face exactly the same problems with the darkness with anyone else. Despite my hopes, love and compatability is not enough. Nothing is enough. There's no way I can fix this or even push the darkness down far enough to make a relationship or any type of intimacy feasible.

So I watched as things fell apart between us. I had put an explicit time limit on our relationship, since I knew it couldn't last because of the darkness and didn't want to hold her back, and this caused a variety of problems. She was put in an unnatural situation that she never should have been a part of. It must have been very hard for her, not knowing what was actually going on with me, but this is not something I've ever been able to talk about with anyone. Losing her was very hard for me as well. Not because of her (I got over our relationship relatively quickly), but because of the realization that I would never have another relationship and because it signified the last true, exclusive personal connection I could ever have. This wasn't apparent to other people, because I could never talk about the real reasons for my sadness. I was very sad in the summer and fall, but it was not because of her, it was because I will never escape the darkness with anyone. She was so loving and kind to me and gave me everything I could have asked for under the circumstances. I'll never forget how much happiness she brought me in those briefs moments when I could ignore the darkness. I had originally planned to kill myself last winter but never got around to it. (Parts of this letter were written over a year ago, other parts days before doing this.) It was wrong of me to involve myself in her life if this were a possibility and I should have just left her alone, even though we only dated for a few months and things ended a long time ago. She's just one more person in a long list of people I've hurt.

I could spend pages talking about the other relationships I've had that were ruined because of my problems and my confusion related to the darkness. I've hurt so many great people because of who I am and my inability to experience what needs to be experienced. All I can say is that I tried to be honest with people about what I thought was true.

I've spent my life hurting people. Today will be the last time.

I've told different people a lot of things, but I've never told anyone about what happened to me, ever, for obvious reasons. It took me a while to realize that no matter how close you are to someone or how much they claim to love you, people simply cannot keep secrets. I learned this a few years ago when I thought I was gay and told people. The more harmful the secret, the juicier the gossip and the more likely you are to be betrayed. People don't care about their word or what they've promised, they just do whatever the fuck they want and justify it later. It feels incredibly lonely to realize you can never share something with someone and have it be between just the two of you. I don't blame anyone in particular, I guess it's just how people are. Even if I felt like this is something I could have shared, I have no interest in being part of a friendship or relationship where the other person views me as the damaged and contaminated person that I am. So even if I were able to trust someone, I probably would not have told them about what happened to me. At this point I simply don't care who knows.

I feel an evil inside me. An evil that makes me want to end life. I need to stop this. I need to make sure I don't kill someone, which is not something that can be easily undone. I don't know if this is related to what happened to me or something different. I recognize the irony of killing myself to prevent myself from killing someone else, but this decision should indicate what I'm capable of.

So I've realized I will never escape the darkness or misery associated with it and I have a responsibility to stop myself from physically harming others.

I'm just a broken, miserable shell of a human being. Being molested has defined me as a person and shaped me as a human being and it has made me the monster I am and there's nothing I can do to escape it. I don't know any other existence. I don't know what life feels like where I'm apart from any of this. I actively despise the person I am. I just feel fundamentally broken, almost non-human. I feel like an animal that woke up one day in a human body, trying to make sense of a foreign world, living among creatures it doesn't understand and can't connect with.

I have accepted that the darkness will never allow me to be in a relationship. I will never go to sleep with someone in my arms, feeling the comfort of their hands around me. I will never know what uncontimated intimacy is like. I will never have an exclusive bond with someone, someone who can be the recipient of all the love I have to give. I will never have children, and I wanted to be a father so badly. I think I would have made a good dad. And even if I had fought through the darkness and married and had children all while being unable to feel intimacy, I could have never done that if suicide were a possibility. I did try to minimize pain, although I know that this decision will hurt many of you. If this hurts you, I hope that you can at least forget about me quickly.

There's no point in identifying who molested me, so I'm just going to leave it at that. I doubt the word of a dead guy with no evidence about something that happened over twenty years ago would have much sway.

You may wonder why I didn't just talk to a professional about this. I've seen a number of doctors since I was a teenager to talk about other issues and I'm positive that another doctor would not have helped. I was never given one piece of actionable advice, ever. More than a few spent a large part of the session reading their notes to remember who I was. And I have no interest in talking about being raped as a child, both because I know it wouldn't help and because I have no confidence it would remain secret. I know the legal and practical limits of doctor/patient confidentiality, growing up in a house where we'd hear stories about the various mental illnesses of famous people, stories that were passed down through generations. All it takes is one doctor who thinks my story is interesting enough to share or a doctor who thinks it's her right or responsibility to contact the authorities and have me identify the molestor (justifying her decision by telling herself that someone else might be in danger). All it takes is a single doctor who violates my trust, just like the "friends" who I told I was gay did, and everything would be made public and I'd be forced to live in a world where people would know how fucked up I am. And yes, I realize this indicates that I have severe trust issues, but they're based on a large number of experiences with people who have shown a profound disrepect for their word and the privacy of others.

People say suicide is selfish. I think it's selfish to ask people to continue living painful and miserable lives, just so you possibly won't feel sad for a week or two. Suicide may be a permanent solution to a temporary problem, but it's also a permanent solution to a ~23 year-old problem that grows more intense and overwhelming every day.

Some people are just dealt bad hands in this life. I know many people have it worse than I do, and maybe I'm just not a strong person, but I really did try to deal with this. I've tried to deal with this every day for the last 23 years and I just can't fucking take it anymore.

I often wonder what life must be like for other people. People who can feel the love from others and give it back unadulterated, people who can experience sex as an intimate and joyous experience, people who can experience the colors and happenings of this world without constant misery. I wonder who I'd be if things had been different or if I were a stronger person. It sounds pretty great.

I'm prepared for death. I'm prepared for the pain and I am ready to no longer exist. Thanks to the strictness of New Jersey gun laws this will probably be much more painful than it needs to be, but what can you do. My only fear at this point is messing something up and surviving.

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I'd also like to address my family, if you can call them that. I despise everything they stand for and I truly hate them, in a non-emotional, dispassionate and what I believe is a healthy way. The world will be a better place when they're dead—one with less hatred and intolerance.

If you're unfamiliar with the situation, my parents are fundamentalist Christians who kicked me out of their house and cut me off financially when I was 19 because I refused to attend seven hours of church a week.

They live in a black and white reality they've constructed for themselves. They partition the world into good and evil and survive by hating everything they fear or misunderstand and calling it love. They don't understand that good and decent people exist all around us, "saved" or not, and that evil and cruel people occupy a large percentage of their church. They take advantage of people looking for hope by teaching them to practice the same hatred they practice.

A random example:

"I am personally convinced that if a Muslim truly believes and obeys the Koran, he will be a terrorist." - George Zeller, August 24, 2010.

If you choose to follow a religion where, for example, devout Catholics who are trying to be good people are all going to Hell but child molestors go to Heaven (as long as they were "saved" at some point), that's your choice, but it's fucked up. Maybe a God who operates by those rules does exist. If so, fuck Him.

Their church was always more important than the members of their family and they happily sacrificed whatever necessary in order to satisfy their contrived beliefs about who they should be.

I grew up in a house where love was proxied through a God I could never believe in. A house where the love of music with any sort of a beat was literally beaten out of me. A house full of hatred and intolerance, run by two people who were experts at appearing kind and warm when others were around. Parents who tell an eight year old that his grandmother is going to Hell because she's Catholic. Parents who claim not to be racist but then talk about the horrors of miscegenation. I could list hundreds of other examples, but it's tiring.

Since being kicked out, I've interacted with them in relatively normal ways. I talk to them on the phone like nothing happened. I'm not sure why. Maybe because I like pretending I have a family. Maybe I like having people I can talk to about what's been going on in my life. Whatever the reason, it's not real and it feels like a sham. I should have never allowed this reconnection to happen.

I wrote the above a while ago, and I do feel like that much of the time. At other times, though, I feel less hateful. I know my parents honestly believe the crap they believe in. I know that my mom, at least, loved me very much and tried her best. One reason I put this off for so long is because I know how much pain it will cause her. She has been sad since she found out I wasn't "saved", since she believes I'm going to Hell, which is not a sadness for which I am responsible. That was never going to change, and presumably she believes the state of my physical body is much less important than the state of my soul. Still, I cannot intellectually justify this decision, knowing how much it will hurt her. Maybe my ability to take my own life, knowing how much pain it will cause, shows that I am a monster who doesn't deserve to live. All I know is that I can't deal with this pain any longer and I'm am truly sorry I couldn't wait until my family and everyone I knew died so this could be done without hurting anyone. For years I've wished that I'd be hit by a bus or die while saving a baby from drowning so my death might be more acceptable, but I was never so lucky.

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To those of you who have shown me love, thank you for putting up with all my shittiness and moodiness and arbitrariness. I was never the person I wanted to be. Maybe without the darkness I would have been a better person, maybe not. I did try to be a good person, but I realize I never got very far.

I'm sorry for the pain this causes. I really do wish I had another option. I hope this letter explains why I needed to do this. If you can't understand this decision, I hope you can at least forgive me.

Bill Zeller

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Please save this letter and repost it if gets deleted. I don't want people to wonder why I did this. I disseminated it more widely than I might have otherwise because I'm worried that my family might try to restrict access to it. I don't mind if this letter is made public. In fact, I'd prefer it be made public to people being unable to read it and drawing their own conclusions.

Feel free to republish this letter, but only if it is reproduced in its entirety.
 

Juddog

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My personal belief is that if someone wants to commit suicide, we should let them. I feel that the government should even offer this as a humane service for those that want it, assuming first that they go through a small counseling session, wait 2 weeks, and sign a waiver stating their intentions.

I also feel that this service should be offered to prisons. Sometimes people get stuck in the worst of circumstances and when they want a way out, the humane thing to do is allow them to end it peacefully. For example if someone has a terminal illness that puts them in extreme pain for the rest of their days, why should we clog up the hospital system and waste resources to take care of them, when they themselves want to end it? Forcing someone to stay alive until the last moment when they are suffering is downright inhumane.

I have had a family member that I grew up with commit suicide - while I miss that person greatly, I can't blame him for wanting out.
 

OutHouse

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no, i have no sympathy at all for them. i view their action as completely selfless and it makes me angry. When you look into the eyes of the loved ones left behind you will understand.
 

Wyndru

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Here is something really relevant, it's a suicide note, it's moving and powerful, it's worth reading, at the end it says only to be republished in it's entirety, so that's what I've done.

http://gizmodo.com/5726667/the-agonizing-last-words-of-bill-zeller

This is a post from Bill Zeller, a talented, depressed programmer who took his own life recently. If you have the time read this completely it's awful, and upsetting, but it will help you understand the mind set of someone suicidal or possibly with a mental health condition and I think that is something that everyone should understand. I'm crying from having read it. RIP.

That's surprisingly thorough, especially since most depressed people don't leave notes behind. It's too bad that writing the letter itself didn't provide self-therapy to his issues.
 

OinkBoink

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Some of the anti-suicide crowd here are so thick. Once again, if committing suicide is selfish, isn't giving birth selfish too ? What gives you the right to bring another life onto this planet? A life that has to go through so many trials and tribulations. Do people get the consent of their future children before giving birth to them?
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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Its your life. Do whatever you want to do with it.

But if your feeling depressed go have a chat with someone about it and let it out. Life will look a bit better after it and there is so much to live for.
 

HAL9000

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That's surprisingly thorough, especially since most depressed people don't leave notes behind. It's too bad that writing the letter itself didn't provide self-therapy to his issues.

I agree, it's interest to read something from someone who was clearly so incredibly lucid, and intelligent and able to express why he was doing what he did.
 

LiuKangBakinPie

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That's surprisingly thorough, especially since most depressed people don't leave notes behind. It's too bad that writing the letter itself didn't provide self-therapy to his issues.

What type of depression are you talking about?
 

JulesMaximus

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My Step Dad used to volunteer to man the suicide hotline... he said that was one of the most depressing things he ever did.

Obviously, he thought it was worthwhile to try to help people with their depression.

You know what I think is cowardly? Those who do nothing or are indifferent to the suffering of others.
 

dardarla

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Those that have never been suicidal will never understand those that have. There is no debate nor useful criticism from those that haven't been to the edge.

No one can judge until they've walked the path.

I speculated about suicide when I was in middle school. It felt insurmountable, so mentally and emotionally I just shut down, believing I was too weak to even try. I didn't want to have to deal with the consequences if I survived either. It's not that I had "hope" to get me through, I just didn't have the will to try.

I have 2 people who are very close to me that have attempted suicide multiple times. Anti-depressants pretty much saved both their lives. One of friends had experienced the child abuse situation. The other one had no psychological reason to be depressed, it was literally hard-wired into the brain, it really was a problem with no solution (until medication). The causes of "mental illness" can be psychological or physical. We don't always have a "reason" to be depressed. It just is.
 
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I'm just too chicken shit to do it.
Scared to pull the trigger.
Scared to hang myself.
My life has been full of suffering, I'd rather go out painless.
Couple times took a bunch of pills but always woke up, vomiting them up, unfortunately.

I wish the Kevorkian method was widely accepted & used. I would have went that way many years ago.
Nothing has worked out for me. I don't understand why everyone wants me to stay alive to continue living a life of pain & suffering. This is no way to live.
 

bfdd

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I'm just too chicken shit to do it.
Scared to pull the trigger.
Scared to hang myself.
My life has been full of suffering, I'd rather go out painless.
Couple times took a bunch of pills but always woke up, vomiting them up, unfortunately.

I wish the Kevorkian method was widely accepted & used. I would have went that way many years ago.
Nothing has worked out for me. I don't understand why everyone wants me to stay alive to continue living a life of pain & suffering. This is no way to live.

Start a Right to Die movement. You'll get my support. I think it's one of the stupidest fucking laws around, if not the stupidest. We aren't anyones slaves here, we're free men and women. Fuck those who think they own us and our bodies.
 

RampantAndroid

Diamond Member
Jun 27, 2004
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Start a Right to Die movement. You'll get my support. I think it's one of the stupidest fucking laws around, if not the stupidest. We aren't anyones slaves here, we're free men and women. Fuck those who think they own us and our bodies.

:thumbsup: +1

The law is just silly.
 

PliotronX

Diamond Member
Oct 17, 1999
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Shit 95% of the people here are what I consider cowards.
It takes courage to stay and fight. What would happen to the human race when things inevitably get tough and we all chose to end it? Everyone encounters challenges.
 

reallyscrued

Platinum Member
Jul 28, 2004
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:thumbsup: +1

The law is just silly.

I think the 'law' is fine. If suicide was 'legal', couldn't people just take out massive life insurance policies, off themselves, then leave a fortune for their families?

How about...it'd be legal to kill yourself, but your family only qualifies for a fraction of your life insurance, if any at all.
 

bfdd

Lifer
Feb 3, 2007
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It takes courage to stay and fight. What would happen to the human race when things inevitably get tough and we all chose to end it? Everyone encounters challenges.

everyone encounters challenges, but some of us just don't care. where you asked to be born into the world? were you asked to exist? why should i need anyone elses permission to not exist?

i'll be honest, i'd choose not to exist if i had the choice. i just don't care that much about life. sure it's interesting and fun, but in actuality it's a lot of work and bullshit that i'd rather have never had to have dealt with. this is something i have thought for as long as i can remember.


I think the 'law' is fine. If suicide was 'legal', couldn't people just take out massive life insurance policies, off themselves, then leave a fortune for their families?

How about...it'd be legal to kill yourself, but your family only qualifies for a fraction of your life insurance, if any at all.
uh no that wouldn't happen because the contract with the insurance company would say "no suicide allowed" duh?
 

Ronstang

Lifer
Jul 8, 2000
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Only young, immature, arrogant little assholes do not sympathize with people that have killed themselves or honestly tried...not just looking for attention. People have to go through some amazing pain (either physical, emotional, or both) to get to the point of killing themselves. If you can't sympathize with someone going through such a terrible ordeal then I don't know what to say. You may want to reevaluate yourself.

Even if their reason seems ridiculous to you it obviously didn't to them. There are a lot of people out there that need help. Try helping instead of criticizing and maybe, just maybe the world will become a better place.
 
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