Suicide is for cowards ?

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bfdd

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I'm just tired of hearing people hear whine about how bad their life is, when it's really not.

You're right for the most part, but that shit's subjective and suffering can happen to anyone for whatever reason. It's really not up for you or me to decide if their suffering is worth going on or not and I think we should truly respect that as I believe it can help us help them better make the proper decision. I'll always side on someone trying their hardest to find happiness, but if that's not what they want? So be it.
 

purbeast0

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ill be blunt because most other people are.

... multiple health issues due to being 5'10" and 440#,diabetic,high blood pressure,severe sleep apena ( i get roughly 15min of REM sleep a night ) and always in pain from gaining 200+ # in 9 years ...

that right there ... all stems from your own ability to not take care of your body. you have yourself and only yourself to blame for that. if you cared about your health you would not have let yourself get that heavy, and you would not have all of those health issues. and i'm willing to bet a lot of other factors in your life would be different as well had you not let yourself become so unhealthy.

you need to just man up and change your lifestyle.

you say you 'try to stay active so you dont become 800lb bed ridden fatty' ... well why don't you actually try to lose weight instead of mantaining your 400lb habit instead? it would greatly help your blood pressure, and general health will improve.

stop being lazy and trying to get people to feel sorry for you. if you really cared, you would get off your lazy ass and do something about it.

sorry if it sounds blunt, but it's the truth.
 

dmcowen674

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Suicide is for cowards ?

I hear this when the subject comes up.

So when person gets to a point in their life that they do not want to be a part of this world any longer and just say fuck it and do the deed that is being a coward for not wanting to try again to be " normal " or lead a stable life ?

I am 46 - divorced - had 3 kids,have one left - renting a shit hole room -multiple health issues due to being 5'10" and 440#,diabetic,high blood pressure,severe sleep apena ( i get roughly 15min of REM sleep a night ) and always in pain from gaining 200+ # in 9 years and general abuse and years of hard manual labor jobs and putting up sheetrock,etc..

Trying to stay somewhat active so I do not end up a shut in stuck in bed weighing 800 #.

I dunno,I think it is easier to go out in the middle of the woods and put a bullet in your head that letting it get so bad you freak out and start harming others ?


I admit I bring this up as I am one of "them" who is pretty fucking close to taking that trip into the woods with a pistol and do not consider myself a coward.

There is only so much shit a person can handle over time and trying to get help to maintain always ends in a disappointment from not being able to afford professional help due to worthless medicare ( I am on ssi disability also since 2001 ) so even the "low cost " dr's with a lower co pay then stick it to you with expensive sessions and tests and now I am not able to see my physcologist ( sp ? too lazy to check ) now becasue they stuck me with a $300 bill medicare will not pay...fucking sleezballs in my opinion that do this.

I don't want to do this to my mom or my so called GF but just so tired of living like this...not going to go into everything that lead me to this point in my life.

I dunno,I guess it would not matter what people thought if your dead...right ?

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What is your opinion on suicide ?

Like you said when you are dead, people will call you all kinds of names whether you commit suicide or dead by any other way but it doesn't matter, you are still dead and gone.

It's your life, you only get one, it's not practice and you alone get to decide what you want and will do.

Sounds like you need a new girlfriend. That will help a lot.

Find one that will get you more active to knock off the weight.

Whatever you do, good luck and god speed whether dead or alive.

If you want to PM you can too.
 
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I hear this when the subject comes up.

So when person gets to a point in their life that they do not want to be a part of this world any longer and just say fuck it and do the deed that is being a coward for not wanting to try again to be " normal " or lead a stable life ?

I am 46 - divorced - had 3 kids,have one left - renting a shit hole room -multiple health issues due to being 5'10" and 440#,diabetic,high blood pressure,severe sleep apena ( i get roughly 15min of REM sleep a night ) and always in pain from gaining 200+ # in 9 years and general abuse and years of hard manual labor jobs and putting up sheetrock,etc..

Trying to stay somewhat active so I do not end up a shut in stuck in bed weighing 800 #.

I dunno,I think it is easier to go out in the middle of the woods and put a bullet in your head that letting it get so bad you freak out and start harming others ?


I admit I bring this up as I am one of "them" who is pretty fucking close to taking that trip into the woods with a pistol and do not consider myself a coward.

There is only so much shit a person can handle over time and trying to get help to maintain always ends in a disappointment from not being able to afford professional help due to worthless medicare ( I am on ssi disability also since 2001 ) so even the "low cost " dr's with a lower co pay then stick it to you with expensive sessions and tests and now I am not able to see my physcologist ( sp ? too lazy to check ) now becasue they stuck me with a $300 bill medicare will not pay...fucking sleezballs in my opinion that do this.

I don't want to do this to my mom or my so called GF but just so tired of living like this...not going to go into everything that lead me to this point in my life.

I dunno,I guess it would not matter what people thought if your dead...right ?

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What is your opinion on suicide ?

You do not know me, but it matters to me when you commit suicide.
Have you helped people who asked for your help ?
Have you been kind when you needed to be ?
If so, then yes suicide is not for you.

If you are planning to become the next Charles Manson , please seek counseling first...

You write that you do not want to end up weighing 800 pounds.
That means you want to live. You still have dignity.
You have a hard live, but you still want to live or you would not post here.
I think it is best you start solving you problems one by one. Your health first.
Start with your sleep. Without sleep all other health issues are hard to combat. You need sleep. The problem is that your weight gain is also something that is influenced by your sleep and your sleep problem is influencing your weight. Also, when you do not have enough sleep , you get paranoid and depressed. Thus tackle that problem first.
I do not know what your feeding habits are. I am interested to be honest.

If i read like some Samuel Jackson movie character, i apologize in advance.
I mean well.
 

Baked

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Dec 28, 2004
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Be blessed that you're alive, you passed on your genes, and that you have a roof over your head.
 
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Suicide isn't cowardly. Plenty of cowards don't ever contemplate it. On behalf of chickens everywhere, I am offended by the association.

(pleasedonthurtme...)

People advocating in favor of a Right to Die (quality of life) are unknowingly hitting it on the head. A normal, healthy person who commits suicide does so because they are convinced that everything sucks and it's only going to get worse.

When you have terminal cancer, that's honesty. When you have a failed marriage, it's a disconnect from reality.

If you are considering suicide, get actual help, not an Internet forum.

To the "goddam cowards" contingent, all I can say is: you wouldn't tell a kid with a broken leg to walk it off. Don't tell people with broken psyches to suck it up.
 

SeaSerpent

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Well dude, it sounds like you are going to be fighting a up hill battle, but it can be won.
Im sure you have this voice in your head that is telling you all these bad feelings. You have to train yourself to take control over these thoughts. When these thoughts start creeping in you must push them out. For one, tell yourself that you do matter.This will be very hard at first and it may seem imposible but over time it will get easier.

As for your health problems I think if you start to slowly take control over your weight you will begin to feel better. You are not up against a wall without options. Set yourself some obtainable goals.

You are the only person overall that can pull yourself out of your rut...take control back, you can do it!

I wish you the best of luck from the bottom of my heart, and I do mean that...

Chris
 

MarkXIX

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OP, go for a walk. I'm serious. The solution to your problems is as simple as walking. It is one of the most basic human traits, it got us where we are in the world, literally and figuratively.

Too many people that are overweight see all this crazy shit on TV about P1000EXTREME or Loseriest Biggie reality shows. The solution is really simple, just go for a walk. Walk a mile a day, then two, then five. Do it every single day and count on it like you do the sun rising and setting. Hell, those are two perfect times to do it! Make it part of your daily routine.

It really is that simple. Walk. I'm serious. People may look at you walking and notice your size, but they will admire the fact that you're doing something about it. You'll find encouragement in small things and those will lead to larger things. Walk. Just...walk....

PS - I believe that suicide is a cowardly act because it gives you all the control and leaves all of your loved ones entirely powerless in the aftermath, probably for the remainder of their lives. The opposite of that is asking for help and actually making things better.
 

dighn

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I don't think it's cowardly, but rather irresponsible to those who care about you. when you get down to it, we all want to get rid of our problems with the easiest solution, and imo taking your own life is not a particularly easy thing to do since the will to live is the most fundamental of instincts.

I agree with the others though that weight is one of the easiest problems to fix, if you put your mind to it. Unless you have some kind of rare medical condition, it is 100% within your control, but you have to be focused.
 
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HeXen

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i'm too scared to commit suicide. come again about the cowards part?
 

yhelothar

Lifer
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Make sure you don't have any hormonal issues. A thyroid malfunction can lead to weight gain and depression.
 

BabaBooey

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I expected as much,waggy and the like....bravo.

Will just let this one die,not sure what the fuck I was thinking posting this here...lol
 

tigersty1e

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suicide is not cowardly. its selfish.

suicide is fine for you. after you die, you can't feel anything. but think about everyone else.

who has to clean up the mess you leave behind? picking up pieces of your brain is not fun.

your mom, dad, relatives, or friends who will grieve. who depends on you?

everyone has thought about suicide in their life. everyone. but i keep thinking about my mom and dad who would be crying and just can't do that to anyone.
 

cKGunslinger

Lifer
Nov 29, 1999
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The ultimate First World Problem..

"I have plenty of food, clean water, a place to stay, family, children, a GF, and income without working, but I'll put a shit-ton of burden on my friends and relatives that they will have to deal with for the rest of their lives because I have *too much* food and had to do some blue collar work early in my life.."

So yeah, I'm going with cowardly and selfish..
 

mcurphy

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Sorry to hear that you're going through a rough patch. Suicide should never be considered a solution for problems. Try going for a walk everyday to get yourself moving. You would be surprised at how much better you will feel, both physically and mentally, by getting a little exercise (no matter how little, walking is a great start.)

I hope things turn around soon for you. Just please don't take any actions towards the suicide route.
 

HAL9000

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I hear this when the subject comes up.

So when person gets to a point in their life that they do not want to be a part of this world any longer and just say fuck it and do the deed that is being a coward for not wanting to try again to be " normal " or lead a stable life ?

As someone who can never be normal and will always be unstable (I'm Bipolar) I have to say I think you're looking at it wrong, don't try and be what other people want you to be, just be who you are and the world will deal with it.

Now back to the suicide thing, I'm seriously depressed right now, very similar symptoms to how you describe, I go through depression a lot obviously so it's not uncommon for me to think about killing myself, on the average good day I think about it probably 5 or 8 times through the course of the day, recently my Fiancee and I split up, it's been about 10 years and she's been my only girlfriend, so it sucks.

I personally do not think that suicide is a cowardly option in certain circumstances, but I also think that it is very very rare to ever be warranted. In my humble opinion you do not fit the criteria, similarly it is something you should never choose to do when depressed, I try never to make a big life decision when I'm depressed.

The thing that stops me, the reason I don't do it when I'm depressed is the thought of the people I love getting a phone call or finding my body or going to my funeral and that's enough to stop me, I genuinely do want to kill myself, I know that my life will involve a huge amount of suffering that I don't want to have to experience, but I don't do it for those people, sometimes I get angry at them because they are kind of forcing me to stay, but there are happy times in my life that I live for.

You have no idea what the future holds so you can't make a rational determination to end your life, all your symptoms can be treated, your situation will change as time progresses, and ultimately there will be happy times ahead.

Don't ever make this decision through the cloud of depression.

Here a suicide note from someone who killed them selves after years of contemplating it, and (according to him) made the decision whilst thinking clearly... It always puts things in perspective for me, if his suicide was the right choice, I don't think mine is.


http://gizmodo.com/5726667/the-agonizing-last-words-of-bill-zeller

Bill Zeller

I have the urge to declare my sanity and justify my actions, but I assume I'll never be able to convince anyone that this was the right decision. Maybe it's true that anyone who does this is insane by definition, but I can at least explain my reasoning. I considered not writing any of this because of how personal it is, but I like tying up loose ends and don't want people to wonder why I did this. Since I've never spoken to anyone about what happened to me, people would likely draw the wrong conclusions.

My first memories as a child are of being raped, repeatedly. This has affected every aspect of my life. This darkness, which is the only way I can describe it, has followed me like a fog, but at times intensified and overwhelmed me, usually triggered by a distinct situation. In kindergarten I couldn't use the bathroom and would stand petrified whenever I needed to, which started a trend of awkward and unexplained social behavior. The damage that was done to my body still prevents me from using the bathroom normally, but now it's less of a physical impediment than a daily reminder of what was done to me.

This darkness followed me as I grew up. I remember spending hours playing with legos, having my world consist of me and a box of cold, plastic blocks. Just waiting for everything to end. It's the same thing I do now, but instead of legos it's surfing the web or reading or listening to a baseball game. Most of my life has been spent feeling dead inside, waiting for my body to catch up.

At times growing up I would feel inconsolable rage, but I never connected this to what happened until puberty. I was able to keep the darkness at bay for a few hours at a time by doing things that required intense concentration, but it would always come back. Programming appealed to me for this reason. I was never particularly fond of computers or mathematically inclined, but the temporary peace it would provide was like a drug. But the darkness always returned and built up something like a tolerance, because programming has become less and less of a refuge.

The darkness is with me nearly every time I wake up. I feel like a grime is covering me. I feel like I'm trapped in a contimated body that no amount of washing will clean. Whenever I think about what happened I feel manic and itchy and can't concentrate on anything else. It manifests itself in hours of eating or staying up for days at a time or sleeping for sixteen hours straight or week long programming binges or constantly going to the gym. I'm exhausted from feeling like this every hour of every day.

Three to four nights a week I have nightmares about what happened. It makes me avoid sleep and constantly tired, because sleeping with what feels like hours of nightmares is not restful. I wake up sweaty and furious. I'm reminded every morning of what was done to me and the control it has over my life.

I've never been able to stop thinking about what happened to me and this hampered my social interactions. I would be angry and lost in thought and then be interrupted by someone saying "Hi" or making small talk, unable to understand why I seemed cold and distant. I walked around, viewing the outside world from a distant portal behind my eyes, unable to perform normal human niceties. I wondered what it would be like to take to other people without what happened constantly on my mind, and I wondered if other people had similar experiences that they were better able to mask.

Alcohol was also something that let me escape the darkness. It would always find me later, though, and it was always angry that I managed to escape and it made me pay. Many of the irresponsible things I did were the result of the darkness. Obviously I'm responsible for every decision and action, including this one, but there are reasons why things happen the way they do.

Alcohol and other drugs provided a way to ignore the realities of my situation. It was easy to spend the night drinking and forget that I had no future to look forward to. I never liked what alcohol did to me, but it was better than facing my existence honestly. I haven't touched alcohol or any other drug in over seven months (and no drugs or alcohol will be involved when I do this) and this has forced me to evaluate my life in an honest and clear way. There's no future here. The darkness will always be with me.

I used to think if I solved some problem or achieved some goal, maybe he would leave. It was comforting to identify tangible issues as the source of my problems instead of something that I'll never be able to change. I thought that if I got into to a good college, or a good grad school, or lost weight, or went to the gym nearly every day for a year, or created programs that millions of people used, or spent a summer or California or New York or published papers that I was proud of, then maybe I would feel some peace and not be constantly haunted and unhappy. But nothing I did made a dent in how depressed I was on a daily basis and nothing was in any way fulfilling. I'm not sure why I ever thought that would change anything.

I didn't realize how deep a hold he had on me and my life until my first relationship. I stupidly assumed that no matter how the darkness affected me personally, my romantic relationships would somehow be separated and protected. Growing up I viewed my future relationships as a possible escape from this thing that haunts me every day, but I began to realize how entangled it was with every aspect of my life and how it is never going to release me. Instead of being an escape, relationships and romantic contact with other people only intensified everything about him that I couldn't stand. I will never be able to have a relationship in which he is not the focus, affecting every aspect of my romantic interactions.

Relationships always started out fine and I'd be able to ignore him for a few weeks. But as we got closer emotionally the darkness would return and every night it'd be me, her and the darkness in a black and gruesome threesome. He would surround me and penetrate me and the more we did the more intense it became. It made me hate being touched, because as long as we were separated I could view her like an outsider viewing something good and kind and untainted. Once we touched, the darkness would envelope her too and take her over and the evil inside me would surround her. I always felt like I was infecting anyone I was with.

Relationships didn't work. No one I dated was the right match, and I thought that maybe if I found the right person it would overwhelm him. Part of me knew that finding the right person wouldn't help, so I became interested in girls who obviously had no interest in me. For a while I thought I was gay. I convinced myself that it wasn't the darkness at all, but rather my orientation, because this would give me control over why things didn't feel "right". The fact that the darkness affected sexual matters most intensely made this idea make some sense and I convinced myself of this for a number of years, starting in college after my first relationship ended. I told people I was gay (at Trinity, not at Princeton), even though I wasn't attracted to men and kept finding myself interested in girls. Because if being gay wasn't the answer, then what was? People thought I was avoiding my orientation, but I was actually avoiding the truth, which is that while I'm straight, I will never be content with anyone. I know now that the darkness will never leave.

Last spring I met someone who was unlike anyone else I'd ever met. Someone who showed me just how well two people could get along and how much I could care about another human being. Someone I know I could be with and love for the rest of my life, if I weren't so fucked up. Amazingly, she liked me. She liked the shell of the man the darkness had left behind. But it didn't matter because I couldn't be alone with her. It was never just the two of us, it was always the three of us: her, me and the darkness. The closer we got, the more intensely I'd feel the darkness, like some evil mirror of my emotions. All the closeness we had and I loved was complemented by agony that I couldn't stand, from him. I realized that I would never be able to give her, or anyone, all of me or only me. She could never have me without the darkness and evil inside me. I could never have just her, without the darkness being a part of all of our interactions. I will never be able to be at peace or content or in a healthy relationship. I realized the futility of the romantic part of my life. If I had never met her, I would have realized this as soon as I met someone else who I meshed similarly well with. It's likely that things wouldn't have worked out with her and we would have broken up (with our relationship ending, like the majority of relationships do) even if I didn't have this problem, since we only dated for a short time. But I will face exactly the same problems with the darkness with anyone else. Despite my hopes, love and compatability is not enough. Nothing is enough. There's no way I can fix this or even push the darkness down far enough to make a relationship or any type of intimacy feasible.

So I watched as things fell apart between us. I had put an explicit time limit on our relationship, since I knew it couldn't last because of the darkness and didn't want to hold her back, and this caused a variety of problems. She was put in an unnatural situation that she never should have been a part of. It must have been very hard for her, not knowing what was actually going on with me, but this is not something I've ever been able to talk about with anyone. Losing her was very hard for me as well. Not because of her (I got over our relationship relatively quickly), but because of the realization that I would never have another relationship and because it signified the last true, exclusive personal connection I could ever have. This wasn't apparent to other people, because I could never talk about the real reasons for my sadness. I was very sad in the summer and fall, but it was not because of her, it was because I will never escape the darkness with anyone. She was so loving and kind to me and gave me everything I could have asked for under the circumstances. I'll never forget how much happiness she brought me in those briefs moments when I could ignore the darkness. I had originally planned to kill myself last winter but never got around to it. (Parts of this letter were written over a year ago, other parts days before doing this.) It was wrong of me to involve myself in her life if this were a possibility and I should have just left her alone, even though we only dated for a few months and things ended a long time ago. She's just one more person in a long list of people I've hurt.

I could spend pages talking about the other relationships I've had that were ruined because of my problems and my confusion related to the darkness. I've hurt so many great people because of who I am and my inability to experience what needs to be experienced. All I can say is that I tried to be honest with people about what I thought was true.

I've spent my life hurting people. Today will be the last time.

I've told different people a lot of things, but I've never told anyone about what happened to me, ever, for obvious reasons. It took me a while to realize that no matter how close you are to someone or how much they claim to love you, people simply cannot keep secrets. I learned this a few years ago when I thought I was gay and told people. The more harmful the secret, the juicier the gossip and the more likely you are to be betrayed. People don't care about their word or what they've promised, they just do whatever the fuck they want and justify it later. It feels incredibly lonely to realize you can never share something with someone and have it be between just the two of you. I don't blame anyone in particular, I guess it's just how people are. Even if I felt like this is something I could have shared, I have no interest in being part of a friendship or relationship where the other person views me as the damaged and contaminated person that I am. So even if I were able to trust someone, I probably would not have told them about what happened to me. At this point I simply don't care who knows.

I feel an evil inside me. An evil that makes me want to end life. I need to stop this. I need to make sure I don't kill someone, which is not something that can be easily undone. I don't know if this is related to what happened to me or something different. I recognize the irony of killing myself to prevent myself from killing someone else, but this decision should indicate what I'm capable of.

So I've realized I will never escape the darkness or misery associated with it and I have a responsibility to stop myself from physically harming others.

I'm just a broken, miserable shell of a human being. Being molested has defined me as a person and shaped me as a human being and it has made me the monster I am and there's nothing I can do to escape it. I don't know any other existence. I don't know what life feels like where I'm apart from any of this. I actively despise the person I am. I just feel fundamentally broken, almost non-human. I feel like an animal that woke up one day in a human body, trying to make sense of a foreign world, living among creatures it doesn't understand and can't connect with.

I have accepted that the darkness will never allow me to be in a relationship. I will never go to sleep with someone in my arms, feeling the comfort of their hands around me. I will never know what uncontimated intimacy is like. I will never have an exclusive bond with someone, someone who can be the recipient of all the love I have to give. I will never have children, and I wanted to be a father so badly. I think I would have made a good dad. And even if I had fought through the darkness and married and had children all while being unable to feel intimacy, I could have never done that if suicide were a possibility. I did try to minimize pain, although I know that this decision will hurt many of you. If this hurts you, I hope that you can at least forget about me quickly.

There's no point in identifying who molested me, so I'm just going to leave it at that. I doubt the word of a dead guy with no evidence about something that happened over twenty years ago would have much sway.

You may wonder why I didn't just talk to a professional about this. I've seen a number of doctors since I was a teenager to talk about other issues and I'm positive that another doctor would not have helped. I was never given one piece of actionable advice, ever. More than a few spent a large part of the session reading their notes to remember who I was. And I have no interest in talking about being raped as a child, both because I know it wouldn't help and because I have no confidence it would remain secret. I know the legal and practical limits of doctor/patient confidentiality, growing up in a house where we'd hear stories about the various mental illnesses of famous people, stories that were passed down through generations. All it takes is one doctor who thinks my story is interesting enough to share or a doctor who thinks it's her right or responsibility to contact the authorities and have me identify the molestor (justifying her decision by telling herself that someone else might be in danger). All it takes is a single doctor who violates my trust, just like the "friends" who I told I was gay did, and everything would be made public and I'd be forced to live in a world where people would know how fucked up I am. And yes, I realize this indicates that I have severe trust issues, but they're based on a large number of experiences with people who have shown a profound disrepect for their word and the privacy of others.

People say suicide is selfish. I think it's selfish to ask people to continue living painful and miserable lives, just so you possibly won't feel sad for a week or two. Suicide may be a permanent solution to a temporary problem, but it's also a permanent solution to a ~23 year-old problem that grows more intense and overwhelming every day.

Some people are just dealt bad hands in this life. I know many people have it worse than I do, and maybe I'm just not a strong person, but I really did try to deal with this. I've tried to deal with this every day for the last 23 years and I just can't fucking take it anymore.

I often wonder what life must be like for other people. People who can feel the love from others and give it back unadulterated, people who can experience sex as an intimate and joyous experience, people who can experience the colors and happenings of this world without constant misery. I wonder who I'd be if things had been different or if I were a stronger person. It sounds pretty great.

I'm prepared for death. I'm prepared for the pain and I am ready to no longer exist. Thanks to the strictness of New Jersey gun laws this will probably be much more painful than it needs to be, but what can you do. My only fear at this point is messing something up and surviving.

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I'd also like to address my family, if you can call them that. I despise everything they stand for and I truly hate them, in a non-emotional, dispassionate and what I believe is a healthy way. The world will be a better place when they're dead—one with less hatred and intolerance.

If you're unfamiliar with the situation, my parents are fundamentalist Christians who kicked me out of their house and cut me off financially when I was 19 because I refused to attend seven hours of church a week.

They live in a black and white reality they've constructed for themselves. They partition the world into good and evil and survive by hating everything they fear or misunderstand and calling it love. They don't understand that good and decent people exist all around us, "saved" or not, and that evil and cruel people occupy a large percentage of their church. They take advantage of people looking for hope by teaching them to practice the same hatred they practice.

A random example:

"I am personally convinced that if a Muslim truly believes and obeys the Koran, he will be a terrorist." - George Zeller, August 24, 2010.

If you choose to follow a religion where, for example, devout Catholics who are trying to be good people are all going to Hell but child molestors go to Heaven (as long as they were "saved" at some point), that's your choice, but it's fucked up. Maybe a God who operates by those rules does exist. If so, fuck Him.

Their church was always more important than the members of their family and they happily sacrificed whatever necessary in order to satisfy their contrived beliefs about who they should be.

I grew up in a house where love was proxied through a God I could never believe in. A house where the love of music with any sort of a beat was literally beaten out of me. A house full of hatred and intolerance, run by two people who were experts at appearing kind and warm when others were around. Parents who tell an eight year old that his grandmother is going to Hell because she's Catholic. Parents who claim not to be racist but then talk about the horrors of miscegenation. I could list hundreds of other examples, but it's tiring.

Since being kicked out, I've interacted with them in relatively normal ways. I talk to them on the phone like nothing happened. I'm not sure why. Maybe because I like pretending I have a family. Maybe I like having people I can talk to about what's been going on in my life. Whatever the reason, it's not real and it feels like a sham. I should have never allowed this reconnection to happen.

I wrote the above a while ago, and I do feel like that much of the time. At other times, though, I feel less hateful. I know my parents honestly believe the crap they believe in. I know that my mom, at least, loved me very much and tried her best. One reason I put this off for so long is because I know how much pain it will cause her. She has been sad since she found out I wasn't "saved", since she believes I'm going to Hell, which is not a sadness for which I am responsible. That was never going to change, and presumably she believes the state of my physical body is much less important than the state of my soul. Still, I cannot intellectually justify this decision, knowing how much it will hurt her. Maybe my ability to take my own life, knowing how much pain it will cause, shows that I am a monster who doesn't deserve to live. All I know is that I can't deal with this pain any longer and I'm am truly sorry I couldn't wait until my family and everyone I knew died so this could be done without hurting anyone. For years I've wished that I'd be hit by a bus or die while saving a baby from drowning so my death might be more acceptable, but I was never so lucky.

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To those of you who have shown me love, thank you for putting up with all my shittiness and moodiness and arbitrariness. I was never the person I wanted to be. Maybe without the darkness I would have been a better person, maybe not. I did try to be a good person, but I realize I never got very far.

I'm sorry for the pain this causes. I really do wish I had another option. I hope this letter explains why I needed to do this. If you can't understand this decision, I hope you can at least forgive me.

Bill Zeller

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Please save this letter and repost it if gets deleted. I don't want people to wonder why I did this. I disseminated it more widely than I might have otherwise because I'm worried that my family might try to restrict access to it. I don't mind if this letter is made public. In fact, I'd prefer it be made public to people being unable to read it and drawing their own conclusions.

Feel free to republish this letter, but only if it is reproduced in its entirety.
 

sdifox

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It is considered cowardly because you leave a huge burden on those left behind. Suicide carries a huge stigma and the usual supports for loss just does not happen. Kids who has suicidal parents have almost double the chance of committing suicide compared to ne whose parents are not suicidal. Seek help.
 

Braznor

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Unless you are really fucked up, suicide is not an option.

I seen people a thousand times more worse than anyone here survive despite all odds.

You people are simply weak psychologically.
 

yampire

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Yes I agree "Suicide is for cowards" because they are those who cannot face the problems of life
 

Pr0d1gy

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My opinion is you should take a watch or cell phone into those woods and make sure you keep walking for 20 minutes. Rinse and repeat for a couple of months everyday and that 440 pounds can quickly turn into 420 pounds. Do it for a couple of years and you could be 250 or maybe even 200.

Just getting a little excercise everyday and losing some weight would make all the difference in your outlook man.
 
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HeXen

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I have always said that if your life is unbearable and suicide crosses your mind, then realize at this point you have nothing to lose, so why not just drive, walk, hitchhike to somewhere else far away?
You don't really need money to make it to the carribean or anywhere else, just use what you can to get there....once your there, your far from your previous life left behind, you'll be hungry, tired..etc and suicide will be the last thing on your mind.

plus, assuming you go somewhere tropical or otherwise nice, you can be a beach bum until you get a job serving vacationers or something....point is, at least its something and you are not at any loss than you were before other than your in an environment that forces you to think differently than you did before.
 
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