Suicide

[0roo0roo]

a waste of all the food you've eaten since u've been born i saw.

ability to contribute to society

unless your a pedophile or murderer something i suppose.

 

[Brutuskend]

Originally posted by: gump47371

but it is better to kill yourself than innocent others.

Yeah, I agree. If someone wants to do something like that to themselves, they need to go off somewhere alone and do it, and not involve others.

My girlfriend's cousin killed himself a few months ago. Him and his sister (they were best friends, sort of outcasts, but they went everywhere together) had just gotten back from a party, and he was sitting in a chair, and said, "Sis, look", and as she turned around he pulled the trigger of his shotgun that he had pointed to his head.

I feel for her, that image will be with her forever.

What a FVCKED UP THING TO DO...and to a friend and family member to boot!

 

[Mountain]

she had issues, when you kill someone else you kill one person, when you commit suicide you kill everyone. she, for some reason, did not care how it affected others. that is why most people,including myself, don't do it. mount.

 

[freebee]

Suicide is cheating...its not fair....almost like declaring bankrupcy.

As I have said many times before, if I fail I will die in a blaze of glory (and probably gunfire)...

 

[PeeluckyDuckee]

From our point of view, that is sad. But from her point of view? She's on her way to finding happiness? Dunno, just a thought.

 

[Phuz]

It's not something you can look in the mirror and say "Damnit this sucks. Time to buck up, old chap!", and go to a party and be a happy person again. ANYBODY would kill themselves if they were severely depressed to a great enough extent for a great enough period of time. Most people can be treated, but unfortunately part of many depressed people's outlook on things makes them not want to seek out treatment ("It won't work"). Bit of a catch 22. Until you've been there you can't say you'd never do it. Depression suuuuuuucks!

You couldn't be more right. Depression can make you believe anything.. you can convince yourself of the worst, and nothing could feel more real. It is a terrible thing.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Alphazero
A girl at my school (11th grade) killed herself last night.

The papers (very unreliable, in my opinion) blamed the parents for pressuring her over her grades. I didn't know her personally, and I'm not familiar with the precise circumstances. However, whatever the case may be, I believe that there is absolutely nothing, nothing at all, that can justify taking one's own life, especially at age 17.

A lot of sh!t happens in this crazy world, but most people have the strength to pull through. This girl also had a lot of friends and had access to all the support she needed to deal with her problems - school counselors, etc... That what makes this case such a horrible waste of life, a terrible shame. There is nothing that human spirit cannot overcome. If it comes to suicide, it is because of that person's own weakness of character. I also believe that when someone commits this most awful of crimes, he / she is thinking only of themselves. They're certainly not thinking about all the people that care about them, nor of the dozens that can help them. Think of what she has done to her parents and siblings - the guilt. Her friends (and she had a lot, she was also a guide in the Scouts) are now scarred for life.

I agree with every single word you stated. Suicide is very selfish. I don't care what kind of hell you're going through, unless you're shot into space and have no way of getting back. Then you take that little red pill. Getting back to the point, everybody has somebody in this world that cares about them... if not, that person has never tried to reach out.

 

[swifty3]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Descartes
How did she do it?

Is that an appropriate question?

No, it's not.

Viper GTS

Of course it's an appropriate question. Lends a little reality to the situation.

When my cousin killed herself last Christmas, the first thing I wanted to know was how she did it. She hung herself in the back yard. Pretty gruesome way to go, but it's an important fact. I also wanted to know if she left a note. She didn't. Nothing is achieved by not asking questions. Suicide is very difficult to understand, so the more questions asked, the more informed we can be about the nature of this.
Ignoring things is sometimes the root of the problem. It's a very hard thing to wrap your mind around, when you are looking at it from a healthy mental viewpoint, but the fact is people who kill themselves are in a place where there is no escape, and no where to turn. It's is not a question of whether the consequences of their actions will let down the people who care about them, it is a question of whether killing themselves will end the extreme pain that they are in, due to whatever reasons.
Very sad. At least this poor girl, my cousin, and everyone else who does this doesn't have to suffer any more. On to greener pastures.

 

[swifty3]

Originally posted by: rbloedow
I have no remorse for people that kill themselves. It's a selfish act.

You might wish to try a little empathy, and compassion. Thinking might actually help to, since your above stated opinion isn't indicative of any taking place.

 

[Moonbeam]

Are you suggesting, swifty3, that rbloedow might be being a bit selfish not killing himself?

 

[swifty3]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Are you suggesting, swifty3, that rbloedow might be being a bit selfish not killing himself?

What the hell r u talking about?

 

[Moonbeam]

I thought maybe, what with his lack of compassion and all, that maybe we'd all be better off without him, and that he was just being selfish sticking around. It just seemed to be a logical extension of the direction implied in your post, naturally as I interpreted it.

 

[rayma2]

Originally posted by: Alphazero

Originally posted by: bauerbrazil
Your judging her saying that she had weakness of caracter, how can you say this? You don't know if she was pressured by her parents and if there other factors. Yes, there are crap parents in this world, how can you judge her when you have good parents? I suppose.

Even if she had abonimable parents, does it justify suicide? People have overcome much worse. And, as I said before, there were many people that could have helped her.

I think for me at least who had good parents it makes it hard to imagine how bad it can be.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: RishiS

Originally posted by: gump47371

but it is better to kill yourself than innocent others.

Yeah, I agree. If someone wants to do something like that to themselves, they need to go off somewhere alone and do it, and not involve others.

My girlfriend's cousin killed himself a few months ago. Him and his sister (they were best friends, sort of outcasts, but they went everywhere together) had just gotten back from a party, and he was sitting in a chair, and said, "Sis, look", and as she turned around he pulled the trigger of his shotgun that he had pointed to his head.

I feel for her, that image will be with her forever.

:Q

SIGH!!

 

[Dacalo]

I never understood the concept of taking ones life... in my opinion, it is the most coward thing to do.

Granted, depression is a serious illness and it may play a tremendous role in suicide. Anyway you look at it, losing one's life is still just tragic

 

[Mrburns2007]

Actually some people who kill themselves do it because there thinking about everyone else and there trying to do to much. They have a breakdown and kill themselves.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Dacalo
I never understood the concept of taking ones life... in my opinion, it is the most coward thing to do.

Granted, depression is a serious illness and it may play a tremendous role in suicide. Anyway you look at it, losing one's life is still just tragic

Have you ever experienced clinical depression first hand? It makes rational thought impossible. All you want to do is get OUT of your current situation. I don't think suicide is a cowardly thing, although I used to. Until I went through depression and the loss of a friend due to suicide I believed the same as you. Sometimes it takes a little experience to truly understand things as tragic and devastating as suicide.

 

[whiteboyatcal]

Zebrahead - "What's Going On" if you're into pop punk.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Until you people understand what it is like to have your life so f-cked up that you litterally hate every second you will not understand suicide. To say it is cowardly and a sign of weak character is ignorant, imo. A good friend of mine, who was a sophmore in college going on to be a pharmacist killed himself. He was popular and had a 4.0, so most people did not understand it. In the background he was severely depressed and was taking different medications for it. One day it was too much for him, and his mom walked into his room when she got home and he had shot himself. I do not look down upon him, because he felt that it was the best thing for him, and I respect that. To say it is selfish, well maybe. His parents were devestated, but to go on living in hell is unreasonable and you can't blame him.

 

[Alphazero]

Thanks to everyone who mentioned clinical depression, I really didn't give that specific matter much thought, although I've been thinking about all this and talking with my friends all the time the past couple of days...

Originally posted by: illusion88
There have been times in my life where I have been staring down the edge of the clife, wondering what to do next. As to say that there is NO justification of taking ones own life, expically at the age of 17, go ask those who did it. If you think someones problems are trivial, and that they CAN survive, you are not them. What would you know of other peopls suffering? What you may brush off and take for granted, others struggle with day in and day out. To make an extream case, look at those who have to work very hard for the food on their table. I know that I will always have food and I will not have to worry about going hungry for days on end. But my troubles are still there. I still have problems. I struggle with relationships and school. I struggle with social hardships and constant lonliness. But to say that another sturggles more then I is but a lie. I am just like this girl, only I am one day older. Who is to say that I wont live to see grey hairs on my head? One day I may take that one extra step off the cliff and leave it all behind.

Hundreds of millions, if not a couple of billion, people on this planet live in poverty. No food, no water, no electricity, diseases and no medication. A large portion will not live to see age 40. Do you see them giving up?

Originally posted by: weezergirl
suicide sucks. i remember a boy in my high school committed suicide as well, i didn't really know who he was and that made me sad. of course our school was very large as well. My mom has also tried to commit suicide several times, and even though it hurts and is a selfish thing to do you begin to realize how horrible that person has to feel to want to do something like that. I know my mom loves me more than anything though.

There's a song I've been listening to and it's about somebody contemplating suicide but then they decide to not do it. It's a BEAUTIFUL song and it's called "no lies, just love" by bright eyes if anybody wants to download it. (it's indie/emo/rock type music)

I'm very sad to hear about your experience .

"Waste" by Staind expresses more or less how I feel about suicide, sans personal experience...

Originally posted by: gump47371

but it is better to kill yourself than innocent others.

Yeah, I agree. If someone wants to do something like that to themselves, they need to go off somewhere alone and do it, and not involve others.

My girlfriend's cousin killed himself a few months ago. Him and his sister (they were best friends, sort of outcasts, but they went everywhere together) had just gotten back from a party, and he was sitting in a chair, and said, "Sis, look", and as she turned around he pulled the trigger of his shotgun that he had pointed to his head.

I feel for her, that image will be with her forever.

:Q

 

[lllJRlll]

Originally posted by: AlphazeroOf course, there's more to this story. However, I don't think that the personal details are any of our concern, and it's not our place to lay blame or speculate. It's important to respect her memory.

Man that's so funny coming from you after having read all your previous posts on this subject


Maybe before you started this whole thread you should have taken your own advice and respected her memory

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: lllJRlll

Originally posted by: AlphazeroOf course, there's more to this story. However, I don't think that the personal details are any of our concern, and it's not our place to lay blame or speculate. It's important to respect her memory.

Man that's so funny coming from you after having read all your previous posts on this subject


Maybe before you started this whole thread you should have taken your own advice and respected her memory

Stop threadcrapping please.

 

[Alphazero]

Originally posted by: lllJRlll

Originally posted by: AlphazeroOf course, there's more to this story. However, I don't think that the personal details are any of our concern, and it's not our place to lay blame or speculate. It's important to respect her memory.

Man that's so funny coming from you after having read all your previous posts on this subject


Maybe before you started this whole thread you should have taken your own advice and respected her memory

I'm not going into specific details. I just wanted to express my feelings regarding the general subject.

And we were having a fascinating discussion until now.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Skoorb's got it on the depression issue. I've never had severe depression - I've been emotionally distraught enough to not sleep for four days straight, but I wouldn't call that depressed.

However, a close friend of mine (who I had dated for a short while previously) has clinical depression ... there have been several times when I've had to convince her that life is not a horrible sequence of events designed to wear you down to the point of suicide. To a non-depressed person, the arguments seem like a load of rubbish - but to the depressed they seem as clear and logical as possible.



@ the people who want to know "how" - you're sick. What does it matter how. She's gone.

@ JR - who threadcraps a suicide topic? Get lost.

- M4H

 

[Stingular]

If you, or anybody you know is considering ending his or her life, they should know that suicide is never the answer to any problem. Besides causing an enormuos psycological pain to families and friends, these people are not solving anything for themselves. The problem they are dealing here, in this life, they will have to continue to deal with on the other side.

There is much more to this world than just the physical side of life...