Originally posted by: gump47371
but it is better to kill yourself than innocent others.
Yeah, I agree. If someone wants to do something like that to themselves, they need to go off somewhere alone and do it, and not involve others.
My girlfriend's cousin killed himself a few months ago. Him and his sister (they were best friends, sort of outcasts, but they went everywhere together) had just gotten back from a party, and he was sitting in a chair, and said, "Sis, look", and as she turned around he pulled the trigger of his shotgun that he had pointed to his head.
I feel for her, that image will be with her forever.
It's not something you can look in the mirror and say "Damnit this sucks. Time to buck up, old chap!", and go to a party and be a happy person again. ANYBODY would kill themselves if they were severely depressed to a great enough extent for a great enough period of time. Most people can be treated, but unfortunately part of many depressed people's outlook on things makes them not want to seek out treatment ("It won't work"). Bit of a catch 22. Until you've been there you can't say you'd never do it. Depression suuuuuuucks!
I agree with every single word you stated. Suicide is very selfish. I don't care what kind of hell you're going through, unless you're shot into space and have no way of getting back. Then you take that little red pill. Getting back to the point, everybody has somebody in this world that cares about them... if not, that person has never tried to reach out.Originally posted by: Alphazero
A girl at my school (11th grade) killed herself last night.
The papers (very unreliable, in my opinion) blamed the parents for pressuring her over her grades. I didn't know her personally, and I'm not familiar with the precise circumstances. However, whatever the case may be, I believe that there is absolutely nothing, nothing at all, that can justify taking one's own life, especially at age 17.
A lot of sh!t happens in this crazy world, but most people have the strength to pull through. This girl also had a lot of friends and had access to all the support she needed to deal with her problems - school counselors, etc... That what makes this case such a horrible waste of life, a terrible shame. There is nothing that human spirit cannot overcome. If it comes to suicide, it is because of that person's own weakness of character. I also believe that when someone commits this most awful of crimes, he / she is thinking only of themselves. They're certainly not thinking about all the people that care about them, nor of the dozens that can help them. Think of what she has done to her parents and siblings - the guilt. Her friends (and she had a lot, she was also a guide in the Scouts) are now scarred for life.
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Originally posted by: Descartes
How did she do it?
Is that an appropriate question?
No, it's not.
Viper GTS
Originally posted by: rbloedow
I have no remorse for people that kill themselves. It's a selfish act.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Are you suggesting, swifty3, that rbloedow might be being a bit selfish not killing himself?
Originally posted by: Alphazero
Originally posted by: bauerbrazil
Your judging her saying that she had weakness of caracter, how can you say this? You don't know if she was pressured by her parents and if there other factors. Yes, there are crap parents in this world, how can you judge her when you have good parents? I suppose.
Even if she had abonimable parents, does it justify suicide? People have overcome much worse. And, as I said before, there were many people that could have helped her.
Originally posted by: RishiS
Originally posted by: gump47371
but it is better to kill yourself than innocent others.
Yeah, I agree. If someone wants to do something like that to themselves, they need to go off somewhere alone and do it, and not involve others.
My girlfriend's cousin killed himself a few months ago. Him and his sister (they were best friends, sort of outcasts, but they went everywhere together) had just gotten back from a party, and he was sitting in a chair, and said, "Sis, look", and as she turned around he pulled the trigger of his shotgun that he had pointed to his head.
I feel for her, that image will be with her forever.
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Originally posted by: Dacalo
I never understood the concept of taking ones life... in my opinion, it is the most coward thing to do.
Granted, depression is a serious illness and it may play a tremendous role in suicide. Anyway you look at it, losing one's life is still just tragic
Originally posted by: illusion88
There have been times in my life where I have been staring down the edge of the clife, wondering what to do next. As to say that there is NO justification of taking ones own life, expically at the age of 17, go ask those who did it. If you think someones problems are trivial, and that they CAN survive, you are not them. What would you know of other peopls suffering? What you may brush off and take for granted, others struggle with day in and day out. To make an extream case, look at those who have to work very hard for the food on their table. I know that I will always have food and I will not have to worry about going hungry for days on end. But my troubles are still there. I still have problems. I struggle with relationships and school. I struggle with social hardships and constant lonliness. But to say that another sturggles more then I is but a lie. I am just like this girl, only I am one day older. Who is to say that I wont live to see grey hairs on my head? One day I may take that one extra step off the cliff and leave it all behind.
Originally posted by: weezergirl
suicide sucks. i remember a boy in my high school committed suicide as well, i didn't really know who he was and that made me sad. of course our school was very large as well. My mom has also tried to commit suicide several times, and even though it hurts and is a selfish thing to do you begin to realize how horrible that person has to feel to want to do something like that. I know my mom loves me more than anything though.
There's a song I've been listening to and it's about somebody contemplating suicide but then they decide to not do it. It's a BEAUTIFUL song and it's called "no lies, just love" by bright eyes if anybody wants to download it. (it's indie/emo/rock type music)
Originally posted by: gump47371
but it is better to kill yourself than innocent others.
Yeah, I agree. If someone wants to do something like that to themselves, they need to go off somewhere alone and do it, and not involve others.
My girlfriend's cousin killed himself a few months ago. Him and his sister (they were best friends, sort of outcasts, but they went everywhere together) had just gotten back from a party, and he was sitting in a chair, and said, "Sis, look", and as she turned around he pulled the trigger of his shotgun that he had pointed to his head.
I feel for her, that image will be with her forever.
Originally posted by: AlphazeroOf course, there's more to this story. However, I don't think that the personal details are any of our concern, and it's not our place to lay blame or speculate. It's important to respect her memory.
Originally posted by: lllJRlll
Originally posted by: AlphazeroOf course, there's more to this story. However, I don't think that the personal details are any of our concern, and it's not our place to lay blame or speculate. It's important to respect her memory.
Man that's so funny coming from you after having read all your previous posts on this subject
Maybe before you started this whole thread you should have taken your own advice and respected her memory
Originally posted by: lllJRlll
Originally posted by: AlphazeroOf course, there's more to this story. However, I don't think that the personal details are any of our concern, and it's not our place to lay blame or speculate. It's important to respect her memory.
Man that's so funny coming from you after having read all your previous posts on this subject
Maybe before you started this whole thread you should have taken your own advice and respected her memory