Sunday Night Fights - Town Hall Titillation - Round 2!

[Muse]

I was trying to be generous. It's not like Hillary is going to win anyway.

Man, you are a fish out of water. You better split this thread and jump in a lake where you'd stand a chance.

 

[compuwiz1]

I think both candidates did an excellent job...






Of continuing to expose themselves, as the scumbags they are. They both landed some meaningful punches, but really, when will we get to wake up from this twilight zone?

 

[agent00f]

I think both candidates did an excellent job...

Of continuing to expose themselves, as the scumbags they are. They both landed some meaningful punches, but really, when will we get to wake up from this twilight zone?

I can't imagine women would be please to hear that a guy has to be more terrible than trump to be considered worse than hillary clinton.

 

[compuwiz1]

I can't imagine women would be please to hear that a guy has to be more terrible than trump to be considered worse than hillary clinton.

As a believer in God, I will hold out hope that something strikes both of them out of their seats and they be replaced by a true candidate, a decent and moral person. Neither of them are suitable for POTUS.

 

[Mai72]

Trump's performance last night was mixed. He was able to energize his base but he did little to sway independent voters to vote for him.

It wasn't a knockout victory for Hillary. She played it a bit too safe I thought.

Trump is still going to have a very difficult time winning. 4 weeks left and I bet we will see more scandalous videos of Trump.

 

[sportage]

Have a theory on Clinton and the 2nd debate.
Since so many republicans were abandoning Donald after the sex on a bus tape, it seemed like Trump might actually get pushed out by the republican establishment and replaced.
That looked to be quite possible indeed.
Then we would have either Pence stepping in as replacement for Donald, or republicans would need to pick someone completely different in a all out last minute frenzy.

Well my theory is, and knowing how much the Clinton camp wants to win this election, my theory is that the Clinton camp did not like the "odds" of what might happen should Trump actually drop out or was forced out.
The Clinton camp did not want to gamble on the odds of republicans replacing a flawed Donald Trump with someone that could actually beat a flawed Hillary.

So what Hillary did Sunday night was to let up a bit on Donald.
She decided to not go for the jugular vein. Decided it was better to continue to run against the highly flawed Donald Trump, which she has an extremely good shot at beating, and not risk a Trump replacement.
With only four weeks to go, and Trump being the way he is, Hillary decided she wanted to keep things just as they are and not take the risk of Trump dropping out only to be replaced by someone much more qualified.
Hillary liked things just as they are and realized it was best to keep it that way.

So instead of attacking Trump over the bus sex tape and attacking over things Trump has said on Howard Stern, Hillary gave the schmuck a break and allowed Donald to live and continuer on for the remaining four weeks only to die on November 8th.

No doubt Hillary had it in her, possessed the skill, and was quite capable of finishing off the mortally wounded Donald Trump Sunday night.
And thus giving republicans reason to completely abandon all hope for Trump.
After all, if republicans already had their doubts about Trump, and then Hillary had wiped the debate floor up with Trump finishing Donald off, Hillary could end up running against a Mitt Romney or Jeb Bush or even another woman such as Condoleezza Rice.
Far far too risky for the Clinton camp at this stage of the game.

Donald will be easily beatable.
Hillary knows that, her staff knows that, most republicans know that, and the electorate knows that.
So give the Trump buffoon a break and let him continue on until the end.
I do believe that was Hillary's game plan for the debate.
Was exactly why she went easy on Trump and let Trump slide by.
Then, Donald Trump can remain in the game only to be finish off on election day.
I truly believe this.
This makes complete sense to me.
And explains Hillary's lack luster performance.
Hillary absolutely had all the tools she needed to take Donald Trump down once and for all.
To take down this mortally wounded Donald Trump on deathwatch.
But doing so at this point in time was not in her best interest.

 

[K1052]

Trump's performance last night was mixed. He was able to energize his base but he did little to sway independent voters to vote for him.

It wasn't a knockout victory for Hillary. She played it a bit too safe I thought.

Trump is still going to have a very difficult time winning. 4 weeks left and I bet we will see more scandalous videos of Trump.

I would have played it safe too since Hillary has the momentum now and the polls have been swinging meaningfully in her direction. Trump shoring up his base by shouting Sydney Blumenthal, she's the birther, and Benghazi at her isn't going to sway the kinds of voters that he needs to actually win the election, merely stave off total disaster between him and his party.

 

[khon]

Trump is still going to have a very difficult time winning. 4 weeks left

It's worth keeping in mind that people have already started voting. 4 weeks is until the end of the voting, not the start. So if people are already voting now that Trump is behind, he has to swing the polls even further in his favor at the end.

Roughly 1/3rd of all votes are cost before election day.

 

[sportage]

From what I have been hearing.....
Absentee ballot request coming from democrats far out number requests coming from republicans.
Out numbering republicans by 2 to 1.
I seriously doubt these democrats are opting for Trump.
And I seriously doubt the lack of enthusiasm for Hillary is as bad as republicans want us to believe.
4 weeks to go ......

 

[Starbuck1975]

Have a theory on Clinton and the 2nd debate.
Since so many republicans were abandoning Donald after the sex on a bus tape, it seemed like Trump might actually get pushed out by the republican establishment and replaced.
That looked to be quite possible indeed.
Then we would have either Pence stepping in as replacement for Donald, or republicans would need to pick someone completely different in a all out last minute frenzy.

Well my theory is, and knowing how much the Clinton camp wants to win this election, my theory is that the Clinton camp did not like the "odds" of what might happen should Trump actually drop out or was forced out.
The Clinton camp did not want to gamble on the odds of republicans replacing a flawed Donald Trump with someone that could actually beat a flawed Hillary.

So what Hillary did Sunday night was to let up a bit on Donald.
She decided to not go for the jugular vein. Decided it was better to continue to run against the highly flawed Donald Trump, which she has an extremely good shot at beating, and not risk a Trump replacement.
With only four weeks to go, and Trump being the way he is, Hillary decided she wanted to keep things just as they are and not take the risk of Trump dropping out only to be replaced by someone much more qualified.
Hillary liked things just as they are and realized it was best to keep it that way.

So instead of attacking Trump over the bus sex tape and attacking over things Trump has said on Howard Stern, Hillary gave the schmuck a break and allowed Donald to live and continuer on for the remaining four weeks only to die on November 8th.

No doubt Hillary had it in her, possessed the skill, and was quite capable of finishing off the mortally wounded Donald Trump Sunday night.
And thus giving republicans reason to completely abandon all hope for Trump.
After all, if republicans already had their doubts about Trump, and then Hillary had wiped the debate floor up with Trump finishing Donald off, Hillary could end up running against a Mitt Romney or Jeb Bush or even another woman such as Condoleezza Rice.
Far far too risky for the Clinton camp at this stage of the game.

Donald will be easily beatable.
Hillary knows that, her staff knows that, most republicans know that, and the electorate knows that.
So give the Trump buffoon a break and let him continue on until the end.
I do believe that was Hillary's game plan for the debate.
Was exactly why she went easy on Trump and let Trump slide by.
Then, Donald Trump can remain in the game only to be finish off on election day.
I truly believe this.
This makes complete sense to me.
And explains Hillary's lack luster performance.
Hillary absolutely had all the tools she needed to take Donald Trump down once and for all.
To take down this mortally wounded Donald Trump on deathwatch.
But doing so at this point in time was not in her best interest.

That seems to be the narrative her campaign is pushing his morning given the friendly media outlets that are publishing stories that essentially make this very point.

 

[vi edit]

I've seen stories all over the place as to what *could* actually happen if Trump either backed out or was kicked out. I'm not sure they can even legally get a replacement on the ballot in a lot of states. So it would be a major uphill battle there. That being said. 4 weeks ago when it was a lot easier to do, it would have probably been the worse thing that could happen to her. I think even Pence with all of his anti-LGBT and Women's rights baggage could pull a GOP ticket much better than Trump could at this point.

 

[Pens1566]

I've seen stories all over the place as to what *could* actually happen if Trump either backed out or was kicked out. I'm not sure they can even legally get a replacement on the ballot in a lot of states. So it would be a major uphill battle there. That being said. 4 weeks ago when it was a lot easier to do, it would have probably been the worse thing that could happen to her. I think even Pence with all of his anti-LGBT and Women's rights baggage could pull a GOP ticket much better than Trump could at this point.

In a broad sense, it wouldn't matter if they could change the ballot or not. The individual states are merely picking the electors in the Electoral College, and they can vote for whoever they want in the official vote in December. So he could withdraw, and say MS still gives it's votes in the EC to "Trump". Those electors would then pick whoever had been decided as the replacement. There's some nuances in there, but that's the cliff notes.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's worth keeping in mind that people have already started voting. 4 weeks is until the end of the voting, not the start. So if people are already voting now that Trump is behind, he has to swing the polls even further in his favor at the end.

Roughly 1/3rd of all votes are cost before election day.

The notion that Repubs could replace Trump this late in the game was bullshit from the start but it made for some juicy speculation. Even if he quit the ticket would be unchanged.

The greater the one on one exposure the clearer it becomes that Trump is unfit to be Prez.

 

[FelixDeCat]

If the DNC held a more fair process Hillary might not even be the candidate right now. Bernie would. I think there should be a serious effort to replace Hillary with Bernie by the Democrats.

 

[senseamp]

If the DNC held a more fair process Hillary might not even be the candidate right now. Bernie would.

Wrong.

 

[vi edit]

In a broad sense, it wouldn't matter if they could change the ballot or not. The individual states are merely picking the electors in the Electoral College, and they can vote for whoever they want in the official vote in December. So he could withdraw, and say MS still gives it's votes in the EC to "Trump". Those electors would then pick whoever had been decided as the replacement. There's some nuances in there, but that's the cliff notes.

It's my understanding that it's based upon the particular state. Some allow for generic default "GOP" candidate, others require a specific vote for a name to be cast.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Wrong.

While I dont agree with you most times senseamp, this is no exception. Hillary stole the Democratic nomination process and thwarted Bernies honest attempt at being the candidate.

 

[K1052]

While I dont agree with you most times senseamp, this is no exception. Hillary stole the Democratic nomination process and thwarted Bernies honest attempt at being the candidate.

Obviously, since he won the popular vote in the primary by such a large margin.

 

[Perknose]

Trump spent half the debate looking like a deranged stalker and sniffing, I do not know if that was much of an improvement or not.

I think I spent a lot of the time watching the weird shit he was doing in the background when he was not speaking while listening.

Hey kids, help me caption this rare moment in American Presidential politics. I'll go first. It's either:

Dat Azzz!

or

She's a 2 but she'll do.

or

I'm with her. I just have to get my big red . . . tie . . . pointed in the right direction.

 

[ElFenix]

WMD was a guaranteed thing according to Bush & Company. You had to take their word for it, of course they couldn't divulge their sources, that shit's classified. So, they went in, overwhelmed the country and finally smoked Saddam out of a trap door. Who's to blame? Well, Bush and Chaney, who else is to blame when it turns out that a guarantee that the WMD were there turned out to be a myth. You call her a rube, but did you know that WMD was a myth? I don't think so.

You might want to try reading the thread.

 

[Pens1566]

It's my understanding that it's based upon the particular state. Some allow for generic default "GOP" candidate, others require a specific vote for a name to be cast.

Yep, I believe that latter are in a minority though.

 

[Pens1566]

While I dont agree with you most times senseamp, this is no exception. Hillary stole the Democratic nomination process and thwarted Bernies honest attempt at being the candidate.

Please. There is no way he would have been the nominee. Just none. He was a converted independent that lost by a bigger margin in the primaries (without the dreaded super delegates) than HRC lost to Obama in '08. This is just a false narrative entirely.

 

[senseamp]

While I dont agree with you most times senseamp, this is no exception. Hillary stole the Democratic nomination process and thwarted Bernies honest attempt at being the candidate.

Wrong.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Its looks like Trump won this round as well. Poor Hillary could not even keep up. But to her credit she did at least keep her cool this time.

lol..Baghdad Bob!...is that you!

 

[VRAMdemon]

Trump was in no way appealing to the middle, undecideds, independents or moderates. When answering the Muslim woman's question, he immediately talked over her to address "Radical. Islamic. Terror." Say it. "Radical. Islamic Terror." It's like Beetlejuice, you have to say it three times to fix it. "Radical. Islamic. Terror." This, I presume, wasn't the answer this woman was looking for.

Also, repeatedly blowing off his own comments as "locker room talk" won't do him any favors with women, but will assuage his loyal followers that he's not a pussy about to kowtow to PC pressure.

Finally, when the black man asked a question about being a president for "all people," Trump immediately starts talking about the poor inner city again, and poverty, and violence in minority areas. He wasn't talking to this man, his answer was addressed to people whose experience with big cities is nothing more than going to the occasional MLB game. Trump again assumed that if you're black, you must be poor, stuck in failing schools and terrorized constantly by third-world-like gun violence.