**Super Bowl LI ** Brady v Ryan - Who Ya Be Takin'?

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Capt Caveman

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NFL teams were 0-124 in the playoffs when down 17+ points entering the 4th quarter before tonight
 
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MongGrel

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He is definitely the most clutch of all time in the playoffs. Just not when playing the Giants. He's been to 7 freaking Super Bowls. SEVEN. WTF.

Aaron Rodgers can make sicker throws but Tom Brady wins big games more than anyone.

I'm not going to argue there, why I said the game is far from over at halftime.

There were still some great QBs in the past that could pull a win out of their butt while not being surrounded with a deep roster.

Huezinga pretty much bought a MLJ team when the Marlins were young.

Glazer freaking bought Manchester United
 
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MongGrel

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NFL teams were 0-124 in the playoffs when down 17+ points entering the 4th quarter before tonight
I guess I still should have made some bets at halftime, the Pats looked like they were sand bagging in the first half to me.

It's many pages back also, the Falcons just stepped on their dick at the end of the game.

But it is over.
 

Capt Caveman

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Super Bowl LI delivered a record-setting amount of craziness, as evidenced by the number of Super Bowl records set or tied.

Super Bowl records set

Most games: 7, Tom Brady

Most games, head coach: 7, Bill Belichick

Most games won, head coach 5, Belichick

Most points, game: 20, James White

Most passes, career: 309, Brady

Most passes, game: 62, Brady

Most completions, career: 207, Brady

Most completions, game: 43, Brady

Most passing yards, career: 2071, Brady

Most passing yards, game: 466, Brady

Most touchdown passes, career: 15, Brady

Most receptions, game: 14, White

Most games, team: 9, New England Patriots

Largest deficit overcome, winning team: 25 points, New England

Most points, overtime period, team: 6, New England

Most first downs, game, team: 37, New England

Most first downs, game, both teams: 54, New England vs. Atlanta Falcons

Most first downs passing, game, team: 26, New England

Most first downs passing, game, both teams: 39, New England vs. Atlanta

Most offensive plays, game, team: 93, New England

Most passes, game, team: 63, New England

Most completions, game, team: 43, New England

Most passing yards, game, team: 422, New England

Most passing yards, game, both teams, 682, New England vs. Atlanta

Super Bowl records tied

Most games won: 5, Brady

Most touchdowns, game: 3, White

Most two-point conversions, game: 1, James White; Danny Amendola

Most sacks, game (since 1982): 3, Grady Jarrett

Most two-point conversions, game, team: 2, New England

Most two-point conversions, game, both teams: 2, New England vs. Atlanta

Most first downs by penalty, game, team: 4, New England
 

MongGrel

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Why I don't follow sports that much I guess, baseball stats are even more ridiculous.

There never even was an OT SB stat till now.

 

MrSquished

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The Falcons did choke though. Up 28-20 late in the fourth and within a comfortable field goal range on first down they decided to chuck the rock. They could have fucking knelt down for 2 or 3 plays and went for a FG. Or at least just run a few running plays. Instead they got a sack and a holding penalty and an incomplete pass which all knocked them out of FG range. Totally stupid coaching. And no audibles by Ryan.
 
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manly

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Buffalo Bills lost 4 times in a row! Decent to make it 4 consecutive SBs.
True, but that AFC "dynasty" preceded the free agency and hard cap period of the last 20 years.

I was a bit harsh, some SB losers have continued the program. Except for the Patriots who are total outliers, only the 2012 Broncos lost the big game and came back to win it within 5 seasons. Many SB losers face a rebuilding and/or regime change within a few seasons.

Without knowing who the Falcons might lose, they look well-constructed to bounce back. When I stopped watching at 21-0, I was wondering how they ever lost 5 games this season. They do lose the OC, but he contributed to the late meltdown anyway.
 

Ackmed

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Painful to watch. From one of the biggest winning margins, to the biggest comeback. Looked a lot like the college championship. One team got up big, got a few turn overs. Then couldn't do anything on offense and their D got tired. Poor decisions down the end of the game for Falcons though. Snapping the ball with 20 seconds on play clock late in the 4th, passing and not running when, taking a sack and losing fg range. Almost the same game winning play too. Except the Pats with Brady were the clear best team, unlike Clemson

At least the game was close. I'd rather Falcons win, better story and someone new. Pats will suck soon enough when Brady is gone. Always happens.
 
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Svnla

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Did not get a chance to watch the game until the 2nd half (right at the moment when Ryan was sacked and Pats recovered the ball). Goodness 31-0 after that.
 
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The Falcons did choke though. Up 28-20 late in the fourth and within a comfortable field goal range on first down they decided to chuck the rock. They could have fucking knelt down for 2 or 3 plays and went for a FG. Or at least just run a few running plays. Instead they got a sack and a holding penalty and an incomplete pass which all knocked them out of FG range. Totally stupid coaching. And no audibles by Ryan.
I felt the same way when the NY Giants beat the Pats. Whomever made the call very late in the 4th made a bad decision and caused Brady to choke.

Choking is easy when you are thrown into a situation like this. BTW, no one likes to talk about how some of these pedestal athletes either have had or need sports psychology time. And to be honest, Brady had his during the first half of his college career. But he is still susceptible to the pressures as is anyone else. Ryan will get another chance as will the Falcons. Even I was amazed at what they did in the NFC game and I seriously considered them the winner of the SB until yet another NE miracle. Chalking it up to experience in the big games.
 

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I checked out at 28-3 and then checked back in at 28-12....still thought the Pats were going to lose at that point.
 

rh71

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Haven't followed football for many years and watched mostly the 2nd half. Can someone tell me why the Patriots were exclusively passing? Do they not have a running game? Hell I still don't know if James White is a back or a receiver. Or was it because of the score at that point? Not only did the ATL pass rush fail, the secondary and LBs (unnoticeable) couldn't stop a pass to save their life. Brady was surgical in delivering 10-yd passes the entire rest of the game. They knew it and couldn't stop it. Too much prevent defense?
 

zinfamous

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welp, that ended up being an exciting game. Fun to watch the Pats get shit done like that, even if you hate the bastards.
 
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The Falcons did choke though. Up 28-20 late in the fourth and within a comfortable field goal range on first down they decided to chuck the rock. They could have fucking knelt down for 2 or 3 plays and went for a FG. Or at least just run a few running plays. Instead they got a sack and a holding penalty and an incomplete pass which all knocked them out of FG range. Totally stupid coaching. And no audibles by Ryan.

Ryan lost the game by leaving too much time on the play clock and taking that sack. He probably could've eaten another 1:30 to 2 minutes if he would've let the play clock run down more. I was screaming at my TV for the idiot to take more time. That, and taking that sack was beyond dumb.
 

purbeast0

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Ryan didn't lose anything. He didn't help them down the stretch nor did "genius" Kyle Shannahan. I put the "choke job" way more on Shanny than Ryan. The play calling down the stretch was atrocious.

Had the defense not let up 25 straight points with about 17 minutes left in the game, with all things playing out the same on offense, Matt Ryan would be hoisting the Super Bowl MVP trophy.

I'm not a fan of this notion that 1 player on a team of over 50 players and then coaches is the reason teams lose. That's just not reality.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Ryan didn't lose anything. He didn't help them down the stretch nor did "genius" Kyle Shannahan. I put the "choke job" way more on Shanny than Ryan. The play calling down the stretch was atrocious.

The coaches deserve blame for sure. The play calling was bad in the second half, BUT what is it with so many NFL coaches who can't manage the clock? It seems like an epidemic now. And, regardless of the coaching, the sack that likely cost them the game was all on Ryan - you have to be aware of where you're at on the field, score, time remaining, etc. You HAVE to get out of the pocket and throw that away. That was a rookie mistake.

Had the defense not let up 25 straight points with about 17 minutes left in the game, with all things playing out the same on offense, Matt Ryan would be hoisting the Super Bowl MVP trophy.

In the defense of their defense, they were exhausted because they were on the field for so long with no sustained drives by the offense outside the first drive in the second half. I think that was a problem for NE's defense in the first half as well - they were gassed and recovered over halftime.
 

purbeast0

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The coaches deserve blame for sure. The play calling was bad in the second half, BUT what is it with so many NFL coaches who can't manage the clock? It seems like an epidemic now. And, regardless of the coaching, the sack that likely cost them the game was all on Ryan - you have to be aware of where you're at on the field, score, time remaining, etc. You HAVE to get out of the pocket and throw that away. That was a rookie mistake.



In the defense of their defense, they were exhausted because they were on the field for so long with no sustained drives by the offense outside the first drive in the second half. I think that was a problem for NE's defense in the first half as well - they were gassed and recovered over halftime.
Or you can say the defense was on the field so long because they couldn't get NE off of the field...

It's a team game, you can't just say it's one side or player or whatever. It's a combination of everything.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Or you can say the defense was on the field so long because they couldn't get NE off of the field...

It's a team game, you can't just say it's one side or player or whatever. It's a combination of everything.

None of which absolves Ryan or the coaches from their stupid decisions. Ryan literally had to run 3-4 yards to his left and toss the ball out of bounds and they have a shot at a game-winning FG. No way does NE win if Atlanta hits the FG.
 
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