**Super Bowl LI ** Brady v Ryan - Who Ya Be Takin'?

[Anubis]

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and here it is until the NFL asks for it to be taken down

it works it just wont play from the forum for right now

 

[purbeast0]

None of which absolves Ryan or the coaches from their stupid decisions. Ryan literally had to run 3-4 yards to his left and toss the ball out of bounds and they have a shot at a game-winning FG. No way does NE win if Atlanta hits the FG.

And all the defense had to do was literally stop 1 of 2 2-pt conversion attempts and the Falcons win the game.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

nm

 

[IndyColtsFan]

And all the defense had to do was literally stop 1 of 2 2-pt conversion attempts and the Falcons win the game.

Yes, that's true as well - the second one was particularly bad given that the Falcons also jumped offsides on it and the Pats would've had a redo from the 1 if they missed.

 

[ponyo]

Quinn and Shanahan both lost the game with Ryan to blame for taking the last sack. Shanahan said he wanted to stay aggressive and attack and that's why they didn't run the ball when they were in field goal range with like 4 minutes to go. Two runs there would've eaten the clock even if they got zero yards and they would've put the game away with the field goal making it two score game. At worst, Patriots would've burned all their timeouts.

The fumble sack on Ryan on 3 and 1 because of blown blocking by Freeman changed the game. That was the start of the historic comeback. I don't blame that sack on Ryan. That was on Freeman for missing his block and Shanahan for trying to go longball on 3 and 1. But the sack Ryan took late in the game when Falcons were in field goal range was Ryan's fault. He's the regular season MVP. He had time to throw away the ball. But Shanahan should've called running play and not even put Ryan in that position to take the sack. And Falcons not using the clock and running plays with 10 seconds still left on the play clock is Shanahan and Ryan's fault. They had the big lead. Time is on their side. Falcons like to play fast and stay in rhythm but with the lead, they didn't need to play fast.

And I hate prevent defense. Quinn said Falcons were trying to stay aggressive and that's why didn't run or try burning the clock. But then why play prevent defense and let Brandy pick apart the defense. If Quinn was really honest about staying aggressive, they would've ran their regular defense schemes instead of prevent and not let Patriots back in. Quinn and Shanahan fucked up. Offense and defense weren't on the same page and Quinn/Shanahan put their players in position to make mistakes when the pressure was on. He saw they were chocking and instead putting them in position to win, he let them choke. If Quinn/Shanahan had managed the game the 4th quarter, Atlanta would've won. But take nothing away from Brady and the Patriots. They won the game with their brilliant second half play. They just had lot of help from Quinn and Shanahan.

 

[Muse]

I tried to be fairly neutral but couldn't help rooting for the Falcons and being jubilant in their domination... for 3 quarters. Then it started to unravel.

I saw the replays and decided that the touchdown in overtime should have been reversed, White's knee hit the ground before the ball crossed the goal line, Buck and Aikman's declarations notwithstanding. It should have been 3rd and goal from 3 inches from the goal line. I was waiting for an announcement. Obviously, any score in overtime would be reviewed, and all scoring plays are reviewed anyway. Instead, it was all celebration, teaming fans, confetti, blah blah. I watched a minute or so of that, realized that no announcement of a booth review was going to happen and turned it off and deleted my DVR files, disgusted.

 

[purbeast0]

I tried to be fairly neutral but couldn't help rooting for the Falcons and being jubilant in their domination... for 3 quarters. Then it started to unravel.

I saw the replays and decided that the touchdown in overtime should have been reversed, White's knee hit the ground before the ball crossed the goal line, Buck and Aikman's declarations notwithstanding. It should have been 3rd and goal from 3 inches from the goal line. I was waiting for an announcement. Obviously, any score in overtime would be reviewed, and all scoring plays are reviewed anyway. Instead, it was all celebration, teaming fans, confetti, blah blah. I watched a minute or so of that, realized that no announcement of a booth review was going to happen and turned it off and deleted my DVR files, disgusted.

It was clearly a touchdown in the replays, I'm not sure what you were watching.

 

[hondaf17]

It was clearly a touchdown in the replays, I'm not sure what you were watching.

Agreed.

 

[rh71]

The football is pretty long and replays showed at least the nose broke the plane when his knee touched, you can infer as much. It's not like it's a tiny puck that has to completely cross the goal line. Now that requires extra scrutiny.

 

[Krazy4Real]

Congrats Pats fans. Amazing comeback to get the win.

 

[Anubis]

so we cant insert twitter as "media?"

https://twitter.com/PSchrags/status/828523247327145984?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

 

[Ns1]

so we cant insert twitter as "media?"

https://twitter.com/PSchrags/status/828523247327145984?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Nope. Gotta wait until the next modern forum upgrade.

 

[Ken g6]

A statistical analysis of this year's Super Bowl.

I am now very glad the Denver Broncos' head coach won't be Kyle Shannahan.

 

[emperus]

Brady is the GOAT.

I also don't believe the Falcons played prevent that much in the game (if at all). They played cover 1 most of the game and Brady ate it up in the 3rd quarter. You can't rush the passer 60 times and not expect your D-line to not get tired esp. without a decent rotation. I thought the Pats gave the game away in the 1st half and took it back the 2nd. It was an Epic game.

 

[Miramonti]

I tried to be fairly neutral but couldn't help rooting for the Falcons and being jubilant in their domination... for 3 quarters. Then it started to unravel.

I saw the replays and decided that the touchdown in overtime should have been reversed, White's knee hit the ground before the ball crossed the goal line, Buck and Aikman's declarations notwithstanding. It should have been 3rd and goal from 3 inches from the goal line. I was waiting for an announcement. Obviously, any score in overtime would be reviewed, and all scoring plays are reviewed anyway. Instead, it was all celebration, teaming fans, confetti, blah blah. I watched a minute or so of that, realized that no announcement of a booth review was going to happen and turned it off and deleted my DVR files, disgusted.

I watched this a few moments ago on espn, took it basically frame by frame. While it's extremely difficult to tell, I concluded his elbow and then the ball came across the line a fraction of a second before the knee hit the ground. It's very difficult to tell, as both the arm and ball are dark and not easily distinguishable separately in the most direct zoomed in angle. I am surprised more time wasn't spent on it, but ultimately agree with the call.

 

[hondaf17]

OT rules seem stupid. Massive advantage (getting the ball first in OT) to hinge on a coin toss is stupid. Both offenses should get a chance.

 

[emperus]

A statistical analysis of this year's Super Bowl.

I am now very glad the Denver Broncos' head coach won't be Kyle Shannahan.

Ok article but misses some things. NE adjusted the way it played the run in the 2nd half and so I don't believe the Falcons were all that productive in the 2nd half with the run 2ndly, I believe the Falcons were most productive with the passing game. Their scores and great field goal position were set up with their passing game. Lastly, I'm not sure that draining the clock mattered that much. NE had plenty of time left at the end of the game. I believe they had 2 time outs left when regulation ended.

 

[Miramonti]

You forgot that Ryan has a history of choking and his stupidity in the 4th gave the game away. This was easily the biggest choke in SB history. I'm apparently the only one who noticed him leaving 15+ seconds on the play clock on nearly every snap in the 4th. That alone probably cost them he game.

You weren't the only one to notice it. Leaving so much time on the clock before snapping was highlighted in an article on Wired as an epic statistical blunder.

 

[emperus]

OT rules seem stupid. Massive advantage (getting the ball first in OT) to hinge on a coin toss is stupid. Both offenses should get a chance.

Agree the overtime rules should be changed. But don't think ATL was going to score a TD after being shutout the whole 4th quarter.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Yeah, but the Falcons won the popular vote.


(stolen from fark)

 

[ponyo]

Ok article but misses some things. NE adjusted the way it played the run in the 2nd half and so I don't believe the Falcons were all that productive in the 2nd half with the run 2ndly, I believe the Falcons were most productive with the passing game. Their scores and great field goal position were set up with their passing game. Lastly, I'm not sure that draining the clock mattered that much. NE had plenty of time left at the end of the game. I believe they had 2 time outs left when regulation ended.

No, you're missing the point. Falcons had the game locked up at 99% winning. It's not they needed to run the entire 2nd half. They just needed to run when they were up big and in scoring position to ice the game. Running would've eaten the clock. They would've scored at least field goal. NE would burned timeouts. Using the full play clock would've eaten more time. NE wouldn't had enough time to tie the game to put it into overtime. There's time to be aggressive and time to be conservative and manage the clock. Without Quinn and Shanahan help, Patriots would've ran out of time.

 

[purbeast0]

A statistical analysis of this year's Super Bowl.

I am now very glad the Denver Broncos' head coach won't be Kyle Shannahan.

Ummm, this isn't quite accurate...

Up 28-9 with two minutes left, the Falcons had a 99 percent chance to win the game.

EDIT:

That article is terrible.

 

[ponyo]

Ummm, this isn't quite accurate...



EDIT:

That article is terrible.

Falcons were up 28-9 with 2 minutes left to play in the 3rd quarter. 99% was correct at that time. It was again 99% odd when Falcons were in field goal range with like 4 minutes left in the game.

 

[Miramonti]

I still think Favre, Montana, Marino, or Manning, and a few others might have been better QBs IMHO, but the team makeup in general amounts to a lot.

Brady obviously isn't a hack, but doubt he is the greatest.

Brady has supplanted my vote for Montana as GOAT, who was as clutch as they get. He was like Jordan, never choked when a championship was on the line. Not the raw numbers of a Marino, Elway, Favre, or Manning, but the leader who you would want on the field for a game winning SB drive, muchless at any point in a SB.

But he didn't do what Brady just did, nor did he accumulated the overall playoff success that Brady has had (even tho, like Brady, he was with a GREAT organization most of the time.) Afaic, Marino, Elway, Favre, and Manning were of course great qb's, but NEVER should be considered GOAT because of the numerous times they've choked in big games, and at pivotal times in big games. Marino is probably the worst playoff qb of these (and it took an entire career for Elway to re-write his post-season reputation...and even Manning has been plenty dubious in the post-season.)

And If I'm not mistaken, Brady could have had another ring if not for his receivers dropping ball after ball a few years ago in a SB.

 

[ponyo]

There's no question Brady is the GOAT. He won that game yesterday. Quinn and Shanahan gave him some help but Brady won the game with his play.