SUPER HOT !!!! "xp 2100+" xp1600+ for $51 from newegg. It's crazy !!!!!!!

[stevejst]

100 to 107 degrees is awesome, and would be great to have.

RobTV, there is nothing special about that. Two things are needed.
First well ventilated case - I have Chieftechs, I guess you all know how nice are these Antec clones, the best thing about them IS ventilation.
Second use computer in the room you have AC.

Now the Athlon XP 1700/1800 with a decent cooler will show up to 15C over the room temperature, which is <40C in my case.

This Epox is really a great deal, hopefully not some defective mobo newegg is sending in a raw package.

 

[jktam]

HELP!
are you guys talking about the cpu temps or the internal system temp. b/c when i boot up my new AGOIA 1600+ it was at 48 deg C. then 50C, 53C on shutdown. i touched the heat sink and it was only warm. is something wrong with my processor? i have a volcano 6cu and applied artic silver3 to it. i haven't even overclocked it yet. i have a truepower 330 running and the case is still open so room temp is about 78F.

any ideas?
jt

p.s. i read on the amd site that the maximum die temperature is 90 deg C. just wondering if something is wrong with my hsf.

 

[stevejst]

50C is normal, nothing to be afraid though the lower the better. Perhaps you just need a better cooler or few fans in the case.
Nothing to panic for sure.
AMD XP has built-in temperature sensor and in the case motherboard supports that, we have the same type of reading. Duron is a different story, depends on the motherboard sensor it there is any.

When you start to overclock the temperature will go up significantly, you certainly need to monitor that. I think in your case you should not be doing that before you figure out how to decrease the temperature for 5-10C.

 

[ppaik]

What about this? good deal?

 

[Mac]

jktam,

I think those temps are a little on the high side but wouldn't damage it, yet. I would first check to be sure the heatsink is intalled properly and not tilted. Is it making good contact with the CPU. Next thing, how much Artic Silver did you use? You may want to check out their web-site. A little goes a long way.

 

[smitjere]

Alright, I have mine running at 160 bus...I cannot get to 166...something is crapping out when windows starts. Default voltage 43C resting temp...I'm on a Epox 8k7a. I hope my pci cards aren't running at the high speed...any ideas?

 

[MrCoyote]

Originally posted by: dew042

Originally posted by: davidos
What is the Mhz to Athlon XP code name's for the XP models..... i.e. 1600+ = 1400Mhz, etc. What is 1800Mhz equal to?

1600+ is 1.4ghz

1800+ is 1.53ghz

every 100 up is 66mhz up.

LOL! AMD and their stupid childish marketing tactics. I currently have an Athlon T-Bird 1.33Ghz. I'll wait until they truely get to 2Ghz and at a cheap price. Forget this stupid marketing saying that a 1.53Ghz is 1800+.

 

[PHiuR]

Thanks!... got mine with an epox mobo.... runs at 40 idle and 59/60 at FULL LOAD ROCK STABLE

 

[RobsTV]

Originally posted by: MrCoyote

Originally posted by: dew042

Originally posted by: davidos
What is the Mhz to Athlon XP code name's for the XP models..... i.e. 1600+ = 1400Mhz, etc. What is 1800Mhz equal to?

1600+ is 1.4ghz

1800+ is 1.53ghz

every 100 up is 66mhz up.

LOL! AMD and their stupid childish marketing tactics. I currently have an Athlon T-Bird 1.33Ghz. I'll wait until they truely get to 2Ghz and at a cheap price. Forget this stupid marketing saying that a 1.53Ghz is 1800+.

While it may be stupid, many buyers are even more stupid, and think that speed is based on the number alone.
These untrained buyers think a 1.4GHz Intel is faster than a 1.33 GHz T-Bird. The faster you go, the bigger the discrepency.
AMD had no choice but to play the numbers game, and create a number that could somewhat relate (on the low side) to Intel numbers.
So AMD changed that 1.33GHz into the XP1500+, and now untrained buyers think that the XP1500+ is faster than the 1.4GHz Intel.
At least now the buyer would be correct.
So go ahead and wait for a true 2GHz AMD, but in reality an AMD "true" 1.67 GHz (XP2000+), runs faster than an Intel "true" 2GHz CPU already.
If you didn't know better, and AMD didn't use number games, then of course you would buy a 2GHz Intel before a 1.67GHz AMD.

 

[Banana]

Originally posted by: Mac

The only negative about the cooler is the latch. Wasn't much fun installing, even worse to remove. Very unfriendly. Will not use the cooler again until I am sure that a CPU is ready for final installation. With that being said, the GC68 is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.

Hey Mac: Check out my idea for installing/removing this cooler easily:

Easy SVC GC68 installation

1YP

 

[aldamon]

Wow, I'm almost tempted to "upgrade" my old 1600+ to one of these LOL. AGKGA sucks.

 

[jktam]

hey guys,
i double checked the hsf and everything seems to be in place. and i followed the long ass instruction on artic silver. so i really have no idea what's going on. i'm getting average of 48 deg C for cpu, 32 deg C internal system temp. from what i read it doesn't seem to be a problem although it is on the hotter side. when would you guys think it'll be a problem. not like it's a big deal since it was only $67 =) but still. i o/c it to 170 fsb speed getting over 1700MHz and temp stayed around 50 deg C. everything looks good. although i can't say for sure b/c i have no OS yet. a little snafu in formating. but it boots up to DOS i'll see how far i can push it later today.

jt

 

[BigJ]

make sure to install the OS at stock speeds, because if you're unsure whether its 100% stable in an os, it could case corruption during installation

 

[garyboz]

jktam, your temps are ok, your tempas are well within range and temps aren't a big concern as long as everything is stable. You should try and lower your case temp as that will lower your cpu temps. If the air blowing on your processor is cooler it should cool the processor more. Put some fans in the case or try taking the lid off. Also, if the room you're in is hot your case and cpu are going to run hot as well.

 

[PHiuR]

i found the GC68 to be very easy to install and remove.. i did it twice last night... to reapply/reseat stuff... except for one thing.. it seems to 'slip' move around real easily on the cpu...

anyway running my AGOIA @ 2200XP speed...rock stable... but i am probably going to keep it at 2100+ until winter =]

 

[stevejst]

JKTAM:

48 deg C for cpu, 32 deg C internal system temp

This looks OK only the system temperature seems a bit high to me. You probably need a decent case fan or a better case. 16C difference for a CPU cooler in regular conditions is OK but nothing impressive. Well, it all depends how is this measured.
But 78F in room and 32C in the case means >6C difference. That is poorly ventilated case but nothing alarming.

i o/c it to 170 fsb speed getting over 1700MHz and temp stayed around 50 deg C

That would be 1785 MHz (170x10.5)?

You overclocked Athlon XP 385MHz and the CPU temperature stayed the same, with Vulcano 6?
My friend, that sounds awfully phony to me. As a matter of fact that is not possible with the best air cooling available on the market. You better check your measurements, there is something wrong about that.

 

[stevejst]

Wow, I'm almost tempted to "upgrade" my old 1600+ to one of these LOL. AGKGA sucks

What makes you think you'll be more successful with AGOIA?
According to the overclocking database in this thread one guy overclocked 1.85V AGKGA to 2125 MHz, which is the best overclocking of any XP 1600 with safe voltage. Meaning <=1.85V.

Of course, you can be a "LITTLE" sceptical about that . And the phrase "little sceptical" is the key here, just like everywhere else you get something from overclockers.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: stevejst
JKTAM:

48 deg C for cpu, 32 deg C internal system temp

This looks OK only the system temperature seems a bit high to me. You probably need a decent case fan or a better case. 16C difference for a CPU cooler in regular conditions is OK but nothing impressive. Well, it all depends how is this measured.
But 78F in room and 32C in the case means >6C difference. That is poorly ventilated case but nothing alarming.

i o/c it to 170 fsb speed getting over 1700MHz and temp stayed around 50 deg C

That would be 1785 MHz (170x10.5)?

You overclocked Athlon XP 385MHz and the CPU temperature stayed the same, with Vulcano 6?
My friend, that sounds awfully phony to me. As a matter of fact that is not possible with the best air cooling available on the market. You better check your measurements, there is something wrong about that.

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What makes you think you'll be more successful with AGOIA?
According to the overclocking database in this thread one guy overclocked 1.85V AGKGA to 2125 MHz, which is the best overclocking of any XP 1600 with safe voltage. Meaning <=1.85V.

Of course, you can be a "LITTLE" sceptical about that . And the phrase "little sceptical" is the key here, just like everywhere else you get something from overclockers.

He said around 50degrees, meaning it could be 51-53, while the original temperature was 48. Whats so wrong with a 2-5degree increase in temperature idling?

And yes, you should look into better case ventilation. Draw some of that hot air out the back fan mount and in through the front of the case underneath the hd cages with 2 case fans.

2125 1.85 AGKGA Asus A7V 266-E stable, but Windows XP couldn't run 2000 stable 10618 is what Steve's referring to, and as you can see, it isn't stable in Windows XP therefore it isn't a suitable overclock. And why he would want to upgrade from an AGKGA 1600+ to an AGOIA 1600+ to overclock, look at the database one more time. The majority of CPUs in that database are AROIA or AGOIA, which are all the higher overclockers 'cept for a handful.

I thought u were done crapping here Steve, guess not?

 

[aldamon]

Originally posted by: stevejst

Wow, I'm almost tempted to "upgrade" my old 1600+ to one of these LOL. AGKGA sucks

What makes you think you'll be more successful with AGOIA?
According to the overclocking database in this thread one guy overclocked 1.85V AGKGA to 2125 MHz, which is the best overclocking of any XP 1600 with safe voltage. Meaning <=1.85V.

Of course, you can be a "LITTLE" sceptical about that . And the phrase "little sceptical" is the key here, just like everywhere else you get something from overclockers.

Did you win the know-it-all award in the highschool year book? I'm selling my current chip for $50. Trust me, my wife and I make enough money to eat the $20 LOL. It's just a hobby. Some people drink too much. I overclock too much.

Go find another thread to pollute.

 

[stevejst]

He said around 50degrees, meaning it could be 51-53, while the original temperature was 48. Whats so wrong with a 2-5degree increase in temperature idling?

No, he said "IT STAYS around 50." 51-53 is around 52, check your math. By the way it will be considerable more than 2-5 C anyway.
BTW, I am taking the numbers the way they are told, at the face value. I am not trying to twist it when faced with opposing argument. Do you?

2125 1.85 AGKGA Asus A7V 266-E stable, but Windows XP couldn't run 2000 stable 10618 is what Steve's referring to

And you expect to get stable 2000 MHz with Agoia on a safe voltage?
Or better, you think those other reported overclockings are stable in Win XP?

The majority of CPUs in that database are AROIA or AGOIA, which are all the higher overclockers 'cept for a handful.

There is quite a lot of AGKGA there, I count 7 over 1800MHz.
Depends how many chips are around, I guess you guys bought quite a few of Agoia stepping. You don't know that, do you?

I am not crapping the thread, I am just cooling you OCs here so you don't get too hot on a room temperature.

 

[SlinkyDink]

I just installed my AGOIA 'Y' green model. Its an upgrade from my old XP1500 that didnt overclock at all (did 150x10 no matter what I did)

I'm using it on an 8KHA+, and Swiftech MC462a with a Panaflo H1A

Right now I'm at 166mhz fsb, with 1750mhz and its rock solid! I know this thing can do more. I booted into windows at 172fsb with 1800mhz, it got all the way to the desktop then windows blue screened, but I'm sure its my memory (two crucial 256meg pc2100) or a pci card running way out of spec. I'm going to unlock the chip soon and see what it can really do.

 

[stevejst]

Here is a smoking gun:
Note this interesting observation about overclocking exaggerations about XP 1500 XP, 1600, XP 1700, XP 1800, XP 1900, XP 2000, XP 2100, all Palomino core, from this overclocking database,

AVERAGE OVERCLOCKING EXAGGERATION:

XP 1500 - 1598 MHz
XP 1600 - 1657 MHz
XP 1700 - 1689 MHz
XP 1800 - 1744 MHz
XP 1900 - 1803 MHz
XP 2000 - 1884 MHz
XP 2100 - 1990 MHz


It looks like the higher you go the more difference you get. There are two, not exclusive, explanations about that:
1. Guys buying 2000+ Palomino probably invest a little more in their hardware.
2. The guys buying more expensive CPU tend to exaggerate more.

You cannot get the truth of course but when you average the exaggerations you see that the difference sits at about the same difference AMD reports as default. Like in the courts - when two witnesses are not telling the whole truth, the best is to compare their testimonies.

If you are truly expecting to get better overclocking by lowering the rating of CPU processor you are buying, you are naive.

 

[stevejst]

And another note that states a well known statistical point:
The more you pay the better you get in case of AMD CPUs.
Or at least the linear correlation is high.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: stevejst

He said around 50degrees, meaning it could be 51-53, while the original temperature was 48. Whats so wrong with a 2-5degree increase in temperature idling?

No, he said "IT STAYS around 50." 51-53 is around 52, check your math. By the way it will be considerable more than 2-5 C anyway.
BTW, I am taking the numbers the way they are told, at the face value. I am not trying to twist it when faced with opposing argument. Do you?

2125 1.85 AGKGA Asus A7V 266-E stable, but Windows XP couldn't run 2000 stable 10618 is what Steve's referring to

And you expect to get stable 2000 MHz with Agoia on a safe voltage?
Or better, you think those other reported overclockings are stable in Win XP?

The majority of CPUs in that database are AROIA or AGOIA, which are all the higher overclockers 'cept for a handful.

There is quite a lot of AGKGA there, I count 7 over 1800MHz.
Depends how many chips are around, I guess you guys bought quite a few of Agoia stepping. You don't know that, do you?

I am not crapping the thread, I am just cooling you OCs here so you don't get too hot on a room temperature.

Aight then, he also states that the average is 48 if you want to get anal about it, which means the temperature could be anywhere at any given time. And when I usually have a measured amount of something, whether its +-3 from a quantity of 10, I'll usually say around to what tens place I'm at. For example, you have 92$, some1 asks you how much money you have on you, "Oh, around 90bucks".

And you missed the point of me displaying that piece of information. A stable overclock is one that successfully runs all the applications that the user has intended for it to do without lock-up etc. This is why all overclocks are not built alike, while with the same exact chip, one person could get it stable at 1750mhz and 1800mhz because the work being done on the 1750 isn't as intense as on the 1800mhz system. The list at the overclockers database, while not all of them are stable in windows, are showing that the AGOIAs ARE the ones reaching the higher speeds in general, and that they will most likely be stable at a higher operating speed then your AGKGA. And for all 7 of those AGKGA steppings above 1800mhz, how many AGOIA or AROIA steppings are there over 1800mhz Steve? Yea, thats what I thought. And sorry if 7 is more then a handful for you, but it definitely isn't for me. And since when is 7 quite a lot, compared to the number of AGOIA and AROIA. Jeesh Steve, some1 needs to learn about percentages again. Theres about 35 (maybe a little more) AGOIA or AROIA cpus that are up there, both of which are being sold by Newegg. Honestly Steve, as you can see, this thread is basically appealing to OVERCLOCKERS, which is why it was such a hot deal in the first place. Until you learn a bit more about the overclocking community and culture, you really shouldn't comment on such things.

 

[stevejst]

...
I am not saying that you cannot overclock as much as you claim. I am saying that too many exaggerations tend to mislead the people without experience.
When you look at the numbers they toss at you, you start to see inconsistencies. I am just pointing them out, not insulting anybody.
I cannot claim the numbers are fake but my conclusion is when you compare them one against the other ... - you draw your own conclusion.

And frankly since the majority of overclockers are teenagers, I think I saw a survey about that somewhere, their claims are as believable as their claims about sex. That falls in the same category at that age.

BTW, this thread is public and as long as the modetar sees it that way, I can participate, I guess.