SUPER HOT !!!! "xp 2100+" xp1600+ for $51 from newegg. It's crazy !!!!!!!

[aldamon]

Just got my new 1600+. My old AGKGA 1600+ could only muster 1.53 GHz at 1.85V and above (volt modded 8kha+). This AGOIA Week 13 is hitting 1733 at default voltage with a Thermalright SK-6 on my Epox 8kha+ and Crucial PC2100 at 3.2V. I'll try for more later.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Gracjan
I got AGOIA Y and I was able to push it to 12.5x136=1700Mhz. I cannot achieve more. Period. I did not increase core voltage. I have Epox 8K7A with Volcano 7 using Arctic Silver and copper shim. I guess I will not be able to push much more so maybe I should stop tweaking.

did u try knocking the multiplier down and trying to go bigger with the memory?

 

[dirtweasel]

bought the kr7a-raid at compgeeks for 53 bucks or so and an agoia xp1600 from newegg and i'm sitting very nicely with the 6 dollar fan on 1.6 or so ghz. after unlocking processor.

will try bumping up a bit higher after a burn in period.

thanks for the great deals!!

dirty.

 

[garyboz]

Got an AGOIA week 13. overclocks to 1575 (about 1900+ performance) without any problems or any voltage increase. Using the GC68 with the Clear LED variable speed fan from SVC. 47deg idle, 52full load at 80 deg F room temp. I'm using the K7S5A with this so I don't have any FSB settings between 150 and 166. Tried changing from to 1743MHz at 166 FSB (That's above 2100+ speed) from within windows and it worked for a few seconds before it freaked out. It's probably my PC2100 ram. I'll try upping the ram voltage, etc. but I have to mod my motherboard to do that so I'm not doing it anytime soon.

 

[xylem]

Here's some feedback on the AGOIA Y chip I got from Newegg. On a refurb Abit KX7-333 (also from Newegg, $52), I am running at 1838 mhz (10.5x175) @ 1.825 c/v setting. The chip will boot into windows @ 1806 mhz using default voltage. I am using air cooling (MC-462).

You guys that are hitting a wall around 1700 mhz, you may need a 1/5 pci divider to get higher.

 

[rlc]

Originally posted by: xylem
Here's some feedback on the AGOIA Y chip I got from Newegg. On a refurb Abit KX7-333 (also from Newegg, $52), I am running at 1838 mhz (10.5x175) @ 1.825 c/v setting. The chip will boot into windows @ 1806 mhz using default voltage. I am using air cooling (MC-462).

You guys that are hitting a wall around 1700 mhz, you may need a 1/5 pci divider to get higher.

have you run any type of benchmark? once i overclocked to 10.5x168 on my chip, my 3d mark 2001 SE dropped almost 1000 points... this is weird.

using soltek sl-75drv5 (KT333CE)

 

[RobsTV]

Originally posted by: rlc

Originally posted by: xylem
Here's some feedback on the AGOIA Y chip I got from Newegg. On a refurb Abit KX7-333 (also from Newegg, $52), I am running at 1838 mhz (10.5x175) @ 1.825 c/v setting. The chip will boot into windows @ 1806 mhz using default voltage. I am using air cooling (MC-462).

You guys that are hitting a wall around 1700 mhz, you may need a 1/5 pci divider to get higher.

have you run any type of benchmark? once i overclocked to 10.5x168 on my chip, my 3d mark 2001 SE dropped almost 1000 points... this is weird.

using soltek sl-75drv5 (KT333CE)

That drop is what happens if you have the additional 1/5 divider.
Up to 165MHz, divider is 1/4, so PCI/AGP speeds at 165MHz are 41.25/83MHz. Everything speeds up.
At 166MHz, 1/5 divider kicks in, and PCI/AGP drops back down to 33/66MHz. Everything except CPU slows down.
Only newer boards support the 1/5 divider.
But, many good quality KT266A boards (8kha+) have no problems running well above 166MHz, even with only 1/4 divider.
These older boards will always score and run faster, because not only is CPU overclocked, but video hard drives, etc., are overclocked.

 

[DaHan]

Just tip for you guys: Try Vcool - it makes my CPU only 2C than system when it's idle or just do online surfing. I think that will help my overclocked CPU to get a longer life.

 

[ikarus1]

OK I have figured out "stevejst" MUST BE the fidiot threadcrapper Caligula from this thread on FW HERE. Just going by the bad grammar/chinenglish or whatever you call that, and by trashing the GC68 which is obviously a popular choice. CHANGE THE FAN STEVE, it costs $3.00 from SVC

another related FW thread

My rig: ABIT KR7A-RAID 133 (refurb from newegg = $60.00 and solid as a freakin ROCK)
AGOIGA XP1600+ (newegg $66.00)
640MB "PNY" (samsung major on major) 256MB PC2100 DDR x 2 and PNY 128 Samsung from Best buy hot deal $5+20+20 = $45.00 overclocks to 170Mhz FSB ******** ALL THREE STICKS**********

Maxtor 80GB 7200RPM Diamondmax 740X not the liquid bearing tho =/ from staples rebate dealio $80
Verbatim 40X flashed to a 48X Liteon (staples PM + rebate hot deal) $19.00 Liteon DVD from newegg $38.00 + $1 shipping Gainward GF3 Ti200 Golden Sample which "only" does 215/450 core/mem (refurb from Newegg) $82.00
Pine CMI 6 Channel Audio PCI sound $15 from newegg
Enlight Mid-tower w/refurb Enhance electronics 300W PSU from newegg = $57.00 and FREE SHIPPING
assorted roundcables and 1 case fan, and a freaking GALAXY GC68 from SVC compucycle with the $2.95 upgraded fan

thanks to SteveJST's fine reviews,

and FW and AT, I got a TIGHT RIG for around $500

did I mention it clicks off 8000+ 3DMark 2001 SE scores and is solid as a rock around 45C with an ambient of 70 deg Farenheit I LOVE HOT DEALS AT AND FW

 

[ikarus1]

Originally posted by: stevejst
Codegen 6054L is not well ventilated case, you'll need a lot of fans for that. Codegen 350W power supply, just like it's younger brother has insufficient 3.3V line for serious overclocking. If I am not mistaken that PSU has 190W combined output which is not a PSU made for overclocking. It is possible but not probable. More, heatsinks in that power supply are insufficient as well and with only one fan that will overheat easily.
I am not saying it is a bad PSU, it is just not made for 400Mhz overclocked Palomino.

For one thing, don't try to save money on cooler, you might save $10 and get a useless one and then you'd have to buy again anyway. You can still get a decent cooler for less than $20, I see TI-V77L at SVC is just $16, I am sure it is better than GC68. If you want GC68 at least get the best fan SVC sells with that.
The more expensive and good are the top quality Coolermasters heat pipes HHCs, and HCCs, Arkua, Alphas with proper fan, Swiftechs but they all costs significantly more, check newegg. Apparently AX-7 from Thermalright is popular too.

Some coolers might not fit your motherboard, you need to check the dimensions and recommendations.

You're right about the CODEGEN PSU but you are wrong about the TI-V77L, in both cooling capacity and board fitment.
The DR THERMAL TI-V77L is nice, has a copper insert and a cool heatsink design an all, but it's HUGE 70MM footprint that doesn't
"slope" upward like the GC68, doesn't allow "standard" 80MM cooler installations, and costs more. But the clip rules. I put that cooler on my last non-overclocked XP1700+ and it ran the same temps as my AGOIGA XP1600+ @1.75Ghz 1.8V runs. it's also louder than any of the 32-ish CFM 80MM fans are.

You don't need the best fan SVC sells for the GC68, you just need this one - don't believe the specs - it's 3000 RPM and more CFM than it's rated. I have installed a 45CFM Nidec Beta V on it and it didn't make a noticeable difference, just pushed around more hot air. The sweet spot is that fan I linked too, IMO and experience. The AX-7 is nice, but for the price difference, I bought a 300W PSU from Enhance electronics.......All those overpriced coolers you listed will net you a few degrees at idle but under load, it won't matter much. Especially with such an overclocking gem as the AGOIGA

 

[ikarus1]

I priced the DR Thermal VI-77L with a YS Tech 70MM TMD 38CFM 34dBa fan $25.00 at SVC.
You might then approach and surpass the cooling ability of the GC68 with the $2.95 fan, for about $15.00 dollars more, or approx. 25% of the cost of a AMD AGOIGA from newegg. And you would gain about 4dB more noise at a higher pitch (since it's 70MM) but you would gain the cool clip system from TITI........

 

[stevejst]

I priced the DR Thermal VI-77L with a YS Tech 70MM TMD 38CFM 34dBa fan $25.00 at SVC.
You might then approach and surpass the cooling ability of the GC68 with the $2.95 fan, for about $15.00 dollars more, or approx. 25% of the cost of a AMD AGOIGA from newegg. And you would gain about 4dB more noise at a higher pitch (since it's 70MM) but you would gain the cool clip system from TITI........

What a nonsense, ignorance reigns supreme!

TI-V77L has 60% of thermal resistance of GC68. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? 0.4 versus 0.683.

I strongly suggest you do a google search and learn about TI-V77L. If you were looking for a good deal on an overclocking cooler that would be the one to go.
TI-V77L has no need for TMD fan, which is a great and efficient fan, to outgun GC68. It will do that easily as it is.

Moreover *AGOIGA* is available on many sites and even cheaper than on newegg, if you would only know how to find it.

 

[z3bruin]

Originally posted by: stevejst

I priced the DR Thermal VI-77L with a YS Tech 70MM TMD 38CFM 34dBa fan $25.00 at SVC.
You might then approach and surpass the cooling ability of the GC68 with the $2.95 fan, for about $15.00 dollars more, or approx. 25% of the cost of a AMD AGOIGA from newegg. And you would gain about 4dB more noise at a higher pitch (since it's 70MM) but you would gain the cool clip system from TITI........

What a nonsense, ignorance reigns supreme!

TI-V77L has 60% of thermal resistance of GC68. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? 0.4 versus 0.683.

I strongly suggest you do a google search and learn about TI-V77L. If you were looking for a good deal on an overclocking cooler that would be the one to go.
TI-V77L has no need for TMD fan, which is a great and efficient fan, to outgun GC68. It will do that easily as it is.

Moreover *AGOIGA* is available on many sites and even cheaper than on newegg, if you would only know how to find it.

care to share the site(s) ?!?

 

[ikarus1]

Originally posted by: z3bruin

Originally posted by: stevejst

I priced the DR Thermal VI-77L with a YS Tech 70MM TMD 38CFM 34dBa fan $25.00 at SVC.
You might then approach and surpass the cooling ability of the GC68 with the $2.95 fan, for about $15.00 dollars more, or approx. 25% of the cost of a AMD AGOIGA from newegg. And you would gain about 4dB more noise at a higher pitch (since it's 70MM) but you would gain the cool clip system from TITI........

What a nonsense, ignorance reigns supreme!

TI-V77L has 60% of thermal resistance of GC68. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? 0.4 versus 0.683.

I strongly suggest you do a google search and learn about TI-V77L. If you were looking for a good deal on an overclocking cooler that would be the one to go.
TI-V77L has no need for TMD fan, which is a great and efficient fan, to outgun GC68. It will do that easily as it is.

Moreover *AGOIGA* is available on many sites and even cheaper than on newegg, if you would only know how to find it.

care to share the site(s) ?!?

no doubt, enlighten us as to where to buy an AMD XP anything for less than $66.00 and not wholesale either........

listen, threadcrapper, if you say I am ignorant, I would just assume the inverse is true.........

I have actually OWNED both coolers and am speaking from experience.........and thermal resistance depends on the fan.
The V77L has a 32CFM 70MM fan and doesn't cool as well as a 32CFM 80MM fan on the aluminum sinks........

 

[stevejst]

I have actually OWNED both coolers and am speaking from experience.........and thermal resistance depends on the fan.

I choose which part of your ignorance I want to enlighten. Here is a quote from Tom's Hardware web site, which you can compare with what is known about your Galaxy Cooler GC68, whose thermal resistance is above 0.6 no matter what fan you put on it. The SVC used to write 0.6 and nexfan puts is precisely at 0.683. TI-V77L has 0.4 which is what you can easily find on TI web site. You need to learn what thermal resistance is. Hint: it has something to do with a contact of CPU and heatsink.
Tom' Hardware site:

The thermal resistance determines the quality of a heatsink - the lower the number, the better the cooling performance. In principle, the results of the thermal resistance are closely connected to the cooling temperature. The best result was achieved by the Swiftech MC462, which reached a C/W value of 0.16. This places it considerably ahead of its sister product (the Swiftech MC370-0A) which ranked first in the previous test.

In general, if the specific cooling capability is within the range of 0.35 and 0.4, then we are dealing with a fairly usable heatsink/fan system. Measurements below 0.35 are very good, and those below 0.2 are absolutely top class.

reference: http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q1/010306/cooler-05.html
(a little better reference than that fancy web site with XP 1700, overclocked Duron, and Duron heatsinks.)

As far as website info on Agoia/Agoga you will have to find yourself, good info is something the guys like Ikarus should pay for, newegg and SVC is making you pay for it, I see even less reason why should I give you that for free.

 

[z3bruin]

Originally posted by: stevejst

I have actually OWNED both coolers and am speaking from experience.........and thermal resistance depends on the fan.

I choose which part of your ignorance I want to enlighten. Here is a quote from Tom's Hardware web site, which you can compare with what is known about your Galaxy Cooler GC68, whose thermal resistance is above 0.6 no matter what fan you put on it. The SVC used to write 0.6 and nexfan puts is precisely at 0.683. TI-V77L has 0.4 which is what you can easily find on TI web site. You need to learn what thermal resistance is. Hint: it has something to do with a contact of CPU and heatsink.
Tom' Hardware site:

The thermal resistance determines the quality of a heatsink - the lower the number, the better the cooling performance. In principle, the results of the thermal resistance are closely connected to the cooling temperature. The best result was achieved by the Swiftech MC462, which reached a C/W value of 0.16. This places it considerably ahead of its sister product (the Swiftech MC370-0A) which ranked first in the previous test.

In general, if the specific cooling capability is within the range of 0.35 and 0.4, then we are dealing with a fairly usable heatsink/fan system. Measurements below 0.35 are very good, and those below 0.2 are absolutely top class.

reference: http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q1/010306/cooler-05.html
(a little better reference than that fancy web site with XP 1700, overclocked Duron, and Duron heatsinks.)

As far as website info on Agoia/Agoga you will have to find yourself, good info is something the guys like Ikarus should pay for, newegg and SVC is making you pay for it, I see even less reason why should I give you that for free.

but I'm NOT Ikarus, I'm me. please?! I'll buy you a Diddy Reese cookie

 

[ikarus1]

Originally posted by: stevejst

I have actually OWNED both coolers and am speaking from experience.........and thermal resistance depends on the fan.

I choose which part of your ignorance I want to enlighten. Here is a quote from Tom's Hardware web site, which you can compare with what is known about your Galaxy Cooler GC68, whose thermal resistance is above 0.6 no matter what fan you put on it. (EDIT:Put the crack pipe down)
The SVC used to write 0.6 and nexfan puts is precisely at 0.683. TI-V77L has 0.4 which is what you can easily find on TI web site. You need to learn what thermal resistance is. Hint: it has something to do with a contact of CPU and heatsink.
Tom' Hardware site:

The thermal resistance determines the quality of a heatsink - the lower the number, the better the cooling performance. In principle, the results of the thermal resistance are closely connected to the cooling temperature. ...SNIP....
In general, if the specific cooling capability is within the range of 0.35 and 0.4, then we are dealing with a fairly usable heatsink/fan system. Measurements below 0.35 are very good, and those below 0.2 are absolutely top class.

reference: http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q1/010306/cooler-05.html
(a little better reference than that fancy web site with XP 1700, overclocked Duron, and Duron heatsinks.)

As far as website info on Agoia/Agoga you will have to find yourself, good info is something the guys like Ikarus should pay for, newegg and SVC is making you pay for it, I see even less reason why should I give you that for free.

heh. you are giving physics lessons by quoting THG????

Here is a REAL physics lesson from Caltech University
notice the end:

In actuality, the thermal calcuation of the heat sink scenario will be more calculated because there are a few more components to add (heat sink grease, insulator) which have thermal resistance, but that will be less than 1 C/W. Also, the thermal resistance of the heat sink depends upon the air flow past it.

Like I said, change the fan...... my temp rise above ambient was 15 deg C, with the GC68 w/ 32.5CFM fan and Artic Alumina in a super-thin layer. You do the math, and it's not .68 like you quoted, at least not with mine.

 

[gtd2000]

Hehe - not a bad comeback

Actually by the time you lot have stopped squabbling about the relative merits of XP's and various cooling fans the XP1600+ will be $50 shipped

 

[ikarus1]

hehe. Not sure which I dislike more, incorrect information about overclocking or Chinenglish (whatever country your are from...).

Arguing On The Internet Is Like The Special Olympics: Even If You Win, You're Still Retarded. SEE?

 

[stevejst]

I know well what fan has to do with the thermal resistance. It is very clear to me that you don't. Debating with you any longer would be only a gain for you and as I said in any other case you would have to pay for that.
I shall only tell you that in your case even with that 2700 or 3000 RPM fan your GC cooler still stays with thermal resistance above 0.6. Why is that you can ask the guy in UCLA.

Enjoy your victory, people in Special Olympics usually do.

 

[ikarus1]

I sent Frostytech.com an email telling them my "revelations" about the GC68 cooler, where they can buy it, etc.
I was wrong in previous posts about the Rise above Ambient temp - it is around 25 deg C. I was quoting rise above system temp which is about 13 deg C.....still, going by Frostytech's reviews here that is well within the limits of a "overclocker's" cooler, esp with a 68W or greater load such as the XP2200+ AMD CPU.

If you want to learn some more about thermal resistance and contact, I suggest you read here for their guide on thermal interfaces etc.

I used Artic Alumina paste in a very thin layer, perhaps that is why my performance is superb with the GC68.
That, coupled with the fact that the bottom of the heatsink looks like a mirror, might explain the performance also.

Check out my screenshot (taken about two seconds after 3DMark 2001SE completed), and I have more that show my PC (with the side cover on I might add) running Sisoft Sandra 2K2 burn-in, and the temps hovering around 45 C......pretty good for a crap $6.00 / $9.00 cooler eh?
Also, I listened to the TITI V77-L audio clip and forgot how loud that thing was, and the fact that I don't have any
spare 70MM fans but I have acres of 80MM ones that will bolt right on to the GC68.

Anyhow, my .[endorsement] SVC rant is over - buy the cooler! unless you like wasting money .[/endorsement]

 

[stevejst]

I was wrong in previous posts about the Rise above Ambient temp - it is around 25 deg C

First thanks for the civilized response.
What I can figure out from your post and the image is that your system temperature is about 12-14C over the ambient?

I can see you have at least one system fan that is monitored, right?
So how did that happen? In the most cases the system will be 2-4C above ambient, with poorly ventilated cases that can be higher say maybe even 7-8C as with some "overclockers" here. But in your case it is well over 10C.

I would check the monitoring of your motherboard, perhaps that great performance is only illusion. I mean other people here reported temperatures of 50C and above which is something one would expect with this cooler.
Believe me, frostytech testers will not be impressed with the cooler. AoC testers put 38 CFM fan on it and they still rated it only 0.6 C/W which newegg puts conservatively up to 1.5 GHz cooler.

By the way the fan impact on heatsink thermal resistance is that it would decrease the temperature of the heatsink which creates less thermal resistance, so it depends really on air blown or sucked. Alumina will help for sure but most of the people use Artic Silver which is even better.

For the guys making jokes about sucking, you bet it is a possibility, in particular with this heatsink, since if the fan blows it will throw a lot of trash at the motherboard - just take a look at the heatsink. If it sucks , it might not do a better job but it might be safer for the motherboard. I am sure you did not think about that.

 

[ikarus1]

my ambient in here (computer lab) is 67F
in the ABIT KR7A bios it shows my system temp as 87F
and then the CPU temp as 114F....

someone do the conversion but I think I am around 10C over ambient with the system temp, then around 15C over that with the CPU. I figure it still will run less than 50C with a more "normal" ambient of 72-74 deg F once I take the PC to my house.

 

[stevejst]

my ambient in here (computer lab) is 67F
in the ABIT KR7A bios it shows my system temp as 87F
and then the CPU temp as 114F....

someone do the conversion but I think I am around 10C over ambient with the system temp, then around 15C over that with the CPU. I figure it still will run less than 50C with a more "normal" ambient of 72-74 deg F once I take the PC to my house.

You system is 11.11C over the ambient which is a very bad statement for the case, you need more fans in that case. Your CPU is 15C over the system which is to be expected for an entry level (stock) cooler. Quality cooler with <=0.4 C/W would probably make CPU stay 8-12C over the system, depending on the quality. Assuming regular use. The difference between stock and quality cooler would increase with the load increase.
This is all about Athlon XP 1600 with some overclocking but nothing dramatic, I guess. 114F is 45.55C.

The case temperature problem can be solved by creating circulation of air in the case. Say front->back: you add a nice 40+ CFM intake fan in the front cage, assuming you have that, and some exhaust 30+CFM fan/s in the back. Take a look at Antec cases. The power supply would add another exhaust fan or two. Some nice cases have side fans as well. That way you would decrease the temperature in your case dramatically. 87F is fine otherwise but not OK in a 67F room.

 

[Jedibus]

XP1600+ at Newegg is $67, at Googlegear it's $64. Anyone know if they are both sending out the same stepping processors?