SUPER HOT !!!! "xp 2100+" xp1600+ for $51 from newegg. It's crazy !!!!!!!

[pdo]

Originally posted by: Jedibus
XP1600+ at Newegg is $67, at Googlegear it's $64. Anyone know if they are both sending out the same stepping processors?

Man where have you guys been. I got the XP 1700+ green AGOIA core from TCWO last week for 62 clams and it seem like it's going back up.

 

[RobsTV]

As has been pointed out, one of the reasons to get the XP1600+ is it uses a 10.5 multiplier,
so you don't need to unlock the CPU to get the best performance.

Most run at 166x10.5, (1743MHz) or faster than XP2100+ that is running 133MHz fsb.
The XP1700+ uses 11 multiplier, and in order for it to run XP2100+ speeds, fsb would need to be at 158Mhz.
That would indeed be slower than the XP1600+ using 166MHz.
You may think then that simply run the XP1700+ at 166Mhz?
Problem with that is it seems all the CPU's run close to the same max MHz, and that 1750 is about it.
So whether you have an XP1600, XP1700 or XP1800, around 1750 is about all you'll get running locked, near stock vcore.
The only thing that will then make one CPU faster than the other is the FSB, and the lower the multiplier, the higher the fsb can be.

Of course you could always unlock the XP1700+ or XP1800+, and then run an even lower
multiplier than 10.5, and therefore a higher fsb, which would give even better performance.

 

[stevejst]

As has been pointed out, one of the reasons to get the XP1600+ is it uses a 10.5 multiplier,
so you don't need to unlock the CPU to get the best performance.

Most run at 166x10.5, (1743MHz) or faster than XP2100+ that is running 133MHz fsb.
The XP1700+ uses 11 multiplier, and in order for it to run XP2100+ speeds, fsb would need to be at 158Mhz.
That would indeed be slower than the XP1600+ using 166MHz.
You may think then that simply run the XP1700+ at 166Mhz?
Problem with that is it seems all the CPU's run close to the same max MHz, and that 1750 is about it.
So whether you have an XP1600, XP1700 or XP1800, around 1750 is about all you'll get running locked, near stock vcore.
The only thing that will then make one CPU faster than the other is the FSB, and the lower the multiplier, the higher the fsb can be.

Of course you could always unlock the XP1700+ or XP1800+, and then run an even lower
multiplier than 10.5, and therefore a higher fsb, which would give even better performance.

Rob, do you know what XP 1600 TCWO sells?

 

[RobsTV]

Any reseller, including Newegg and TCWO, will sell you what they have available at that time,
unless they specifically mention which stepping you get. (such as SVC does, and sometimes Newegg)

So those that got AGOIA at Newegg, might not if they ordered right now.
Same holds true with TCWO. Today's stepping may be different from yesterdays.

But, based on the data posted from purchasers, there is a better than not chance a Newegg CPU will be AGOIA.

So no, there is no way to know what steppings you will get, unless they specify in discription.

EDIT:
Just took a look at TCWO again, and while they do not list which stepping you get they still have some good deals on other CPU's
Duron 900MHz 200FSB OEM $28.00.
For an older system, simply changing the FSB from 100 to 133 will bump this up to 1.2Ghz. All for $28.00!

 

[illmustard]

any1 having a hard time achieving 166 fsb with a msi kt3 ultra aru like me?

 

[drewdogg808]

any1 having a hard time achieving 166 fsb with a msi kt3 ultra aru like me?

yeah, i had trouble...i was only able to get to 166+ after unlocking and dropping the multiplier to 10. i think my memory was holding me back. i guess crucial doesn't quite cut it anymore when you want to overclock. i think i get better performance with higher memory timings and slightly lower clock speeds than when i have the fsb at 166 with relaxed memory timings.

 

[zinkpig]

HELP !

I put together following configuration:
athlon xp 1600 AGOIA
w/ antec solution series cooling fan
MSI KT3 Ultra
Antec 1080B case
pixelview geforce3
ati raedon 32sdr

the system remains unstable under windows 2K. rebooted once and the wall paper keeps dissapearing during CPU intensive tasks( software installs)
I havent tried overclocking yet ..i am running it at the stock clock freq. The temp in the bios and mother board monitor reads 39(system)/45-48(core)
is this too high .. also the cpu fan rpm is abt 6200.. but the system fan rpm is unavailable both in the bios and mother board monitor. Also i used the thermal paste that came along with the cpu cooler. do i need to use some thing better like artic silver ? All fans in the system seem to be operating.

 

[BigJ]

The MSI KT3 Ultra is NOT a good motherboard for high FSB. I originally had the ARU and sold it in turn for an Abit KX7-333, which is now happily running at 162mhz FSB where as the MSI KT3 Ultra would only load stable into windows at 154mhz FSB.

 

[soccerbud34]

i have hit 166 x 10.5 stable with a small bump in voltage (currently at 1.80V)

What is the next good FSB speed after 166?

thanks!

 

[illmustard]

i can get 150*10.5 with my kt3 stable, all default settings. i've hit 160fsb, stable for a day, but now the mobo does not like anything above 151. btw, drewdogg808, what voltages are you at with the fsb at 166 and the multiplier at 10?

 

[RobsTV]

Originally posted by: soccerbud34
i have hit 166 x 10.5 stable with a small bump in voltage (currently at 1.80V)

Same results here with Epox.
Still, the small vcore increase to 1.80v is actually very low for such a good gain in overclocking.

Another thing about these XP's is you need to find the vcore sweet spot.
Many times you will get better results with less voltage. More is not always better.

Also note that when your memory is at 166MHz, it too will probably need to run at an increased voltage.
Memory rated at PC2700 (333MHz DDR) is usually rated that way at reduced memory settings.
If you wish to run mem at max performance you will most likely need to run mem at close to 2.7v - 3.0v.
Even then you may need to reduce one or two memory settings in Bios, but that depends on the stick.

 

[stevejst]

Another thing about these XP's is you need to find the vcore sweet spot.
Many times you will get better results with less voltage. More is not always better.

Yep, It helps to use canola oil too.

 

[stevejst]

i have hit 166 x 10.5 stable with a small bump in voltage (currently at 1.80V)

Small? The more you raise the voltage the higher temperature you get and using inadequate cooling will decrease the lifetime of CPU.
Having 50C as compared to 40C will cut the lifetime of CPU in about half, going to 60C will cut in to a less than a quarter. Processor running at 60C 24/7 should not be expected to live more than one year. More, heating it up will actually have adverse effect on performance!
The cooler it runs the longer it would last and the relation is not even linear. Think about that when buying a cooler for overclocking.

 

[BobSnob]

This thread has to have one of the most annoying titles of all time! I mean... "Let's go crazy!!!"... eh.... nah.... I don't think I'll bother, thanks all the same.

 

[RobsTV]

Originally posted by: stevejst

i have hit 166 x 10.5 stable with a small bump in voltage (currently at 1.80V)

Processor running at 60C 24/7 should not be expected to live more than one year.

Do you even own a PC?
Raising vcore from stock 1.75 to 1.80 is nothing. That is not even a 3% increase.
Many raise vcore to 1.92v air cooling, and some even push over 2.1v.
Stupid remarks like that continue to show that you have no clue.
Not only can a CPU last more than a year at that temp, it can last well over 10 years at that temp, running 24/7.
Not that it matters much, as a $65 CPU isn't worth $15 after a couple years.
Now go find some other hobby like knitting or something. This one is not for you.

And BTW, cheap $6 hsf does indeed keep CPU at less than 50c at the voltage and speed stated.

 

[stevejst]

Do you even own a PC?

Yes, I own 13 of them in my house. Some are 7-year old, nothing failing.

Raising vcore from stock 1.75 to 1.80 is nothing. That is not even a 3% increase.
Many raise vcore to 1.92v air cooling, and some even push over 2.1v.

Of course, the 2.1V increase is a good recipe to burn it outright. It must be really silly that AMD states the safe voltage for operation is no more than 1.85.

Stupid remarks like that continue to show that you have no clue.

Really. I thought it was you proving that repeatedly.

Not only can a CPU last more than a year at that temp, it can last well over 10 years at that temp, running 24/7.

No, it wont, I suggest you do some research on exponential distribution for microelectronics and in particular AMD chips. MTBF which is a probabilistic notion for expected interfailure time is actually available on the web. Do you need a pointer again?

Not that it matters much, as a $65 CPU isn't worth $15 after a couple years.
Now go find some other hobby like knitting or something. This one is not for you.

If that is not much it is interesting you are looking to save few buck on a cooler? Shouldn't that appear as a contradiction to you?

And BTW, cheap $6 hsf does indeed keep CPU at less than 50c at the voltage and speed stated.

You actually contradicted that even in your exaggerations during this thread.

 

[jna]

Originally posted by: drewdogg808

any1 having a hard time achieving 166 fsb with a msi kt3 ultra aru like me?

yeah, i had trouble...i was only able to get to 166+ after unlocking and dropping the multiplier to 10. i think my memory was holding me back. i guess crucial doesn't quite cut it anymore when you want to overclock. i think i get better performance with higher memory timings and slightly lower clock speeds than when i have the fsb at 166 with relaxed memory timings.

Yes, better memory should get you to 11*166 instead of 10*166. You probably should just get some Corsair and ship me your old memory.

lol

memory has no effect on multiplier

 

[BigJ]

gotta love the immaturity shown in this thread.

I'd just like to point out, this thread is about the XP 1600+, not about whether the SVC G68 can live up to its reputation or not. Steve, if you honestly don't believe it can, go out, buy it, and test it. I for one, do not care whether this CPU lasts more then a year, seeing as i have about a 6-8month upgrade cycle anyway. After that, this cpu is going into a computer at stock speeds for my parents. It is also not a thread in which you should outright discuss the disadvantages/advantages of overclocking. If you're going to overclock, fine, but remember the risks, if not, fine, but remember you could be getting more performance out of this cpu. And Steve, for one, my parents spent 2000$ on a P3 450mhz system a few years back. Guess how much that system costs today? Rob, both you and I know that CPU isn't going to last 10 years, but on another note, it doesn't need to. I mean, for crying out loud, why would anyone want a 10 year old 33mhz pc? With the voltages, I'm even scared to push it past 1.9v, and would definitely not push it past 2.1v unless some extreme cooling is used (peltiers etc).

So for everyone who actually CARES about this deal still instead of the bickering, its still only 67$ from a company with great service, and can easily overclock past the 2000+ mark, commonplace for the xp2100+, and is definitely possible to get past 2200+ mark.

 

[Mac]

Have been following this and related threads for several weeks now in which Threadcrapper continues to engage others here in pointless arguements. Have to shake my head as I think about the following:

Don't argue with fools. You have to lower yourself to their level and then they beat you with experience.

 

[stevejst]

Steve, if you honestly don't believe it can, go out, buy it, and test it. I for one, do not care whether this CPU lasts more then a year, seeing as i have about a 6-8month upgrade cycle anyway.

Big, I've seen the specs, I've seen the review of identical cooler (Akasa 824), I make my own conclusions. It can save me from wasting money. I have copper alloy coolers in my best PCs, I am not gona trash them to test junk.

As for the old computers, I don't know about that. I have 5-year old AMD K6-2 400 that serves as a print and scanner server pretty good. Then I have another 6-year old 233MHz that serves as Internet gateway and firewall. They are all taken care of and they work great. I just installed Linux on a classic Pentium 233MHz, 6/7-years old if I remember well, we are using it to study Samba and NFS. So you can make fair use of old machines, believe me.

 

[Conundrum]

I ordered mine last week.. and I still haven't gotten it yet. Hopefully it will arrive soon. I won't be using PC2700 memory.. but I've got 2 sticks of 256 Crucial DDR and one 512 stick of Crucial DDR.

I've got a couple of sticks of registered DDR crucial sitting around... but I don't think you can mix registered buffered memory with unbuffered. I also don't think it will give me any kind of advantage when I try to overclock the FSB up to 166. I'm not sure if I'll be that lucky with everything working.. but I'll try bumping the voltages and see if it helps. The motherboard I'll be using is a Chaintech AK35GTR2 and if there's one thing I've read about the board consistantly, it's that this motherboard is stable as hell. I'm hoping that will play a factor in the end. I'll post my results once it arrives and I get a chance to play with it.

 

[garyboz]

"Of course, the 2.1V increase is a good recipe to burn it outright. It must be really silly that AMD states the safe voltage for operation is no more than 1.85. "

I could explain why this statement is utterly ridiculous but quite frankly I find your ignorance amusing.

 

[colonel]

I got the Gigabyte 7xrxe+ with the Raid, USB 2.0 and all the overcloking features for $47.50, I cant think how the mobo was there for such price. I remerber anandtech got the ad in the home page for this mobo. amazing....

 

[soccerbud34]

Stevejst, i bow down to your expertise in thread hijacking

Anyways, my CPU temp at idle is 44C and 47C - 48C full load.
Currently using GA-7VRX version 2.0.

I would like to know the would be the next recommended FBS for me to try, if there is any.

Thanks for any suggestions

 

[BigJ]

theres not really a "good" speed after 166mhz fsb...just try increments of 1 or 2, stress test, and repeat