Super Nintendo @ LED TV

[MentalIlness]

Anyone know how I can get this.....

To work with this ?

http://www.manualslib.com/manual/151564/Sharp-Aquos-10p03-Mx-Nm.html?page=12#manual

 

[SaurusX]

It looks like the yellow video cable should plug into INPUT2, while the red and white audio cables would go into INPUT1. The labeling of the type of port on INPUT2 isn't entirely clear, though.

 

[MentalIlness]

Right now it is using the old RF adapter. Would much rather be using the a/v cables.

 

[Redshirt 24]

Since this particular set doesn't have a composite video input, shared or otherwise, it looks like your only option is to get this type of cable, stick it on the end of the SNES's AV cable, and plug the minijack end into INPUT 2.

 

[exdeath]

Need a RGB SCART cable and a RGB to component converter for best results.

Or just find a Sony PVM RGB CRT for $50 and it will be the best thing you've ever done for your SNES.

 

[effowe]

My TV is like this with a component input that double as a composite input. I plug the yellow composite cable into the green component in and it's good to go.

 

[pw38]

It says on page 14 what you have to do. Since you don't have direct RCA out on the SNES you will have to get female to female adaptors and connect the male ends of the SNES AV cable to the one end of the female adaptor and the RCA end of the adaptor cable used with the tv into the other end. Here's a simple diagram:

to

to

Use input 2

edit

Redshirt 24's suggestion will work as well; didn't see the link he provided.

 

[MentalIlness]

Since this particular set doesn't have a composite video input, shared or otherwise, it looks like your only option is to get this type of cable, stick it on the end of the SNES's AV cable, and plug the minijack end into INPUT 2.

Ordered one of these. Thanks. :whiste:

 

[Arkaign]

If you think you'll play it more than once in a while, you owe it to yourself to pick up a decent old CRT, it's the only way to play the classic consoles, and they're dirt cheap/free.

 

[MentalIlness]

Im assuming your talking about a CRT TV ? And not a CRT monitor ?

I do however, have a 32" tube TV here.

 

[Arkaign]

Im assuming your talking about a CRT TV ? And not a CRT monitor ?

I do however, have a 32" tube TV here.

Yes, CRT TV, unless you have a rare CRT monitor with composite video inputs

Anyway, yes, CRT TV for classic consoles is the way to go. With LCD/Plasma, when you give it an analog input, it has to go through processing to turn it into a digital image again, and it results in a less than ideal speed. Also not being widescreen makes it look kind of weird, and it's absolutely terrible if it stretches it to 16:9.



If you want a great forum to check out info and stuff on NES/SNES/etc, check out nintendoage.com, definitely a great place for retro gamers.

 

[exdeath]

Signal type is more important than display type. I'd take a upscaled LCD image via RGB way before I took a crappy NTSC composite or RF signal on a CRT.

NTSC compared to RGB is like putting thin film wax paper over your screen even on the best display. Its even worse going composite on a digital panel because all the ass in the image is multiplied and incorporated even more by the scaling and the perfect sharpness of the discrete pixels makes it obvious how dull and smeared the signal is.

 

[MentalIlness]

So you are saying, you would rather use the adapter for the A/V wires, and plug it into Input 2....because it looks better ? And not use even a RF adapter on a 32" CRT TV ?

Guess once the cable arrives, ill try out both ways.

 

[Arkaign]

Signal type is more important than display type. I'd take a upscaled LCD image via RGB way before I took a crappy NTSC composite or RF signal on a CRT.

NTSC compared to RGB is like putting thin film wax paper over your screen even on the best display. Its even worse going composite on a digital panel because all the ass in the image is multiplied and incorporated even more by the scaling and the perfect sharpness of the discrete pixels makes it obvious how dull and smeared the signal is.

RGB is definitely better

http://www.chrismcovell.com/gotRGB/screenshots.html

But it's not super cheap/easy like just using a good CRT. I had a Sony PVM RGB monitor about 10 years ago setup with my SNES, Genesis, and TG16, but not all systems are easy to get RGB out of. SNES was actually the easiest. It all looked very good, but it's more expense/hassle than most will be willing to deal with.

Composite or S-Video on a GOOD CRT TV is still miles better imho (as well as most of NintendoAge) than most LCD/Plasma results simply due to the latency that analog to digital introduces, to say nothing of getting non-native resolutions scaled to the panel. In some games it's actually impossible to be truly competitive on an LCD due to the lag even with all optional processing turned off (you may know why I say this, Tetris comes to mind) I can understand why some would prefer the LCD/Plasma due to ease of not having to have a chunky CRT in the house, or if their CRT was terrible, but the quality of say SNES via S-Video to a good Sony XBR is actually not that far away from RGB quality. Now Genesis on the other hand, requires some modding to get RGB output, but WOW does it make an improvement, mainly because the regular Genesis composite output is horrible. Probably the worst video output ever next to the 2600 in quality. TG16 with the turbo booster was far more clear in comparison.

 

[Raduque]

My TV is like this with a component input that double as a composite input. I plug the yellow composite cable into the green component in and it's good to go.

Since this particular set doesn't have a composite video input, shared or otherwise, it looks like your only option is to get this type of cable, stick it on the end of the SNES's AV cable, and plug the minijack end into INPUT 2.

My TV is a combination of these. I bought it open-box/display model. The place I bought it from bought me the cable like that (and a new Samsung Keyboard remote, which btw is junk) for the Component/composite input. It doesn't have an S-Video input at all.

 

[exdeath]

but the quality of say SNES via S-Video to a good Sony XBR is actually not that far away from RGB quality.

Eh no. NTSC itself is garbage, doesn't matter how good the display or cable is, its a heavily lossy encoding system that just destroys the image. The best NTSC output doesn't look anything like the RGB version, not just color definition but fine detail bluring and color shifting and smearing and bleeding and interference patterns inherent to the modulation scheme itself. Its like raw TGA vs JPG at the lowest possible quality, reduced to 50% size then blowing it back up, then JPGed again from the first JPG.

The only system that looks fine in composite NTSC is NES because the PPU is native NTSC and even the integrated static color palette are just native NTSC phase shifts from the very start. When you say "color 7' that is a distinct NTSC phase amount producing a distinct NTSC color on NES, the "palette" never actually existed. The PPU even outputs dummy pixels at the even and odd fields to screw up the NTSC color subcarrier system that normally causes rolling dots and smudging. The translucent effect using stippled checkerboard pixels or stripes to get translucency doesn't work on the NES like it does on a native RGB system run through an encoder (eg Genesis + Sonic). Believe me I tried, everything I tried to fake translucency was crystal clear (except time multiplexing Eg flickering every other frame)

NES was specifically designed around NTSC. Everything after though is native RGB being converted through the cheapest possible 1 penny NTSC encoder after the fact.

 

[Arkaign]

Eh no. NTSC itself is garbage, doesn't matter how good the display or cable is, its a heavily lossy encoding system that just destroys the image. The best NTSC output doesn't look anything like the RGB version, not just color defenition but fine detail bluring and color shifting, its like TGA vs JPG the lowest possible quality, then JPGed again from the JPG.

I've had both. I prefer RGB, but I'm not going to bother doing it again. SNES via S-Video on a decent TV looks good enough to me. Hyperbole doesn't make a point more believable.

Besides, probably a hundredth of 1% of 16-bit era gamers ever played with their consoles hooked up via RGB, so I suppose everyone else just suffered through garbage and should have never played? Elitism at it's worst.

This is about what you get with a decent CRT TV with S-Video :

http://minus.com/lbmB2ZshiZrBJp

Not perfect, but totally playable and not distracting unless you're incredibly anal. The whole point is to have fun. If you can't enjoy the game, may as well not play.

 

[tential]

Must suck to not have a receiver. All those inputs are on the back of my onkyo receiver lol.

 

[Arkaign]

Must suck to not have a receiver. All those inputs are on the back of my onkyo receiver lol.

It does make it handy. My receiver is a Pioneer Elite SC-65, got it to replace a fairly okay Denon that was a few years old. Out of laziness I have an extra NES and SNES hooked up to it, which play through the Plasma TV. It works fairly okay for games that aren't too action-intense, but the lag is enough to make stuff like Tetris on the higher levels unplayable. I know the SC-65 isn't all that great, but I wonder if some of the better receivers can process composite/s-video to HDMI faster?

 

[Arkaign]

Onkyo stuff is pretty good I have one of their subs in a spare room, it used to be my primary sub, and to be honest, it's really just as good as my new one.

 

[MentalIlness]

This is taken using a RF adapter..took the picture with my phone. 40" LED Aquos Quattron.

 

[exdeath]

 

[Arkaign]

This is taken using a RF adapter..took the picture with my phone. 40" LED Aquos Quattron.

Great TV, though that's gonna be the hardest way to get a good picture :

RGB > S-Video > Composite > RF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJJlVI4IuJs

Get this, plug it into your 32" or whatever, and you'll be golden :

http://www.amazon.com/Gamecube-S-Vid...ntendo+s+video

Better still would be RGB, but the above solution provides pretty solid results, particularly with later-model large CRT TVs over S-Video.

 

[TerryMathews]

As someone who has a number of classic gaming systems, the best thing you can do for the PS1 generation and back is to get a nice CRT TV. Troll your local thrift stores, and Craigslist. Get a nice Trinitron. Or NEC. Or Mitsubishi. Stay away from the budget names.

Also, fun fact, if you're good with a soldering iron the SNES can be made to have component video out. It will output 240p, which will look great on a CRT and terrible on an LCD as it will try to deinterlace as though it's 480i.

Classic gaming demands it. If you're not emulating, you need a CRT. The better a game is supposed to look, the more it's going to take advantage of tricks due to the timing of interlacing on the CRT which won't exist on an LCD. Semitransparency for example.

 

[shortylickens]

Do the emulated games on the Wii look better than the originals?