Super Nintendo @ LED TV

[exdeath]

Do the emulated games on the Wii look better than the originals?

Yes, because it goes out native component/RGB and not through a NTSC encoder.

Other than that you still have scaling issues, etc. It would be like a SNES in RGB on a flat panel still. Not ideal but a big step up keeping NTSC encoding out of it.

 

[Arkaign]

Yes, because it goes out native component/RGB and not through a NTSC encoder.

Other than that you still have scaling issues, etc. It would be like a SNES in RGB on a flat panel still. Not ideal but a big step up keeping NTSC encoding out of it.

Agreed. The absolute best quality SNES graphics possible are through emulation on a quality plasma or led (using WiiU HDMI or PC w/digital connection). 2nd best, and beautiful in it's own unique way (more retro-accurate if that makes sense) is quality RGB setup. 3rd place, S-Video to a good quality CRT TV (cheapest way to play at decent quality with the original system with no timing issues), 4th place, composite to the same CRT. 5th place, RF (avoid).

-edit : by 'best' above, I mean pixel for pixel accuracy, not to be confused with the intended look the developers had in mind when they made the games way back in the day. Many titles actually look kind of strange when boiled down to flawless little cubed pixels. Even the emulators with trickery make things look strange. Sometimes good strange, but it's definitely not the feel from a really nice CRT/RGB setup.

SNES to LCD/LED/Plasma can have good quality, particularly with a good converter using RGB, but it's very hard to avoid moderate to severe timing issues. Doesn't affect great classic RPG's/etc, but is notable to very high-speed/timing oriented games. Easy to test, run a splitter and have video out to both a CRT TV and flat-panel TV side by side. If you can't see a timing difference, it's good enough. On all three of my recent TVs, a Pioneer Elite P1000, an LG LED Google TV, and a Samsung Plasma, it's still enough (about 3 frames or so) to be an issue, whether direct in by S-video or running through the receiver's conversion to HDMI.

Personally, I prefer a good RGB monitor the best, even more than the superior pixel-perfect emulated results through WiiU/PC. It just 'feels' correct. S-Video is close enough for me though. My spare retro display is now a 35" XBR, and for one, I don't want to move it again, haha. And second, quality RGB screens at similar sizes are insanely hard to find, or I'm not looking hard enough.

 

[MentalIlness]

Great TV, though that's gonna be the hardest way to get a good picture :

RGB > S-Video > Composite > RF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJJlVI4IuJs

Get this, plug it into your 32" or whatever, and you'll be golden :

http://www.amazon.com/Gamecube-S-Vid...ntendo+s+video

Better still would be RGB, but the above solution provides pretty solid results, particularly with later-model large CRT TVs over S-Video.

Am I assuming correctly that RGB is red green blue ? If so, this Quattron has RGBY. It has yellow as a fourth color. Whatever that means. Maybe it helps some, not sure. Ill try to get a few better pictures of other game quality as well.

 

[exdeath]

Sorry to be "that guy" but that yellow pixel thing is a marketing gimmick. Think about it , all content is 3 channel RGB, there is no media that has a "yellow channel".

RGB in signal context refers to raw 15kHz RGB + combined H/V external sync (4 conductor). Component is basically the same thing, just the signals are transposed and with sync on green instead of external sync. RGB to component transcoding is lossless unlike NTSC. Think converting TGA to TIFF or just swapping RGB to BGR (not really but it is that simple) while NTSC is like JPEG on the lowest quality; its completely transforming the data into something inferior and entirely alien compared to the original RGB.

 

[MentalIlness]

 

[MentalIlness]

How would this look if I used this for the Original NES with the adapter shown in this thread ? Would it be better than the RF Adapter ?

http://www.amazon.com/NES-Simulated-Original-Nintendo-System-Entertainment/dp/B006457FUI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1369931770&sr=8-1&keywords=NES+AV+cable

 

[exdeath]

That cable won't work on SNES. You need a Nintendo type multi AV cable.

RGB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> svideo >>>>>composite > RF

If you are going out of the way to buy stuff to improve it, get a RGB SCART cable for NA SNES (internally shielded to prevent 60 Hz picture hum in the audio), and something like a JROK RGB to component video converter.

$5 for even a cheap unshielded RGB cable on EBay and like $40-60 I think for a lossless RGB to component converter.

Your problems are not your screen or signal quality but the type of signal; NTSC encoding scheme itself is shit. Shit on a gold plate is still shit, better to serve undigested food in the first place. There is nothing you can do to resolve inherent limitations of NTSC encoding.

 

[MentalIlness]

That cable won't work on SNES. You need a Nintendo type multi AV cable.

RGB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> svideo >>>>>composite > RF

If you are going out of the way to buy stuff to improve it, get a RGB SCART cable for NA SNES (internally shielded to prevent 60 Hz picture hum in the audio), and something like a JROK RGB to component video converter.

$5 for even a cheap unshielded RGB cable on EBay and like $40-60 I think for a lossless RGB to component converter.

Your problems are not your screen or signal quality but the type of signal; NTSC encoding scheme itself is shit. Shit on a gold plate is still shit, better to serve undigested food in the first place. There is nothing you can do to resolve inherent limitations of NTSC encoding.

Yes you are right. However, this cable will be used for my NES. Not the SNES.

 

[exdeath]

 

[exdeath]

Oh... You showed a SNES game.

 

[MentalIlness]

Yea, the original questions and connection questions were originally for the SNES. Now that is figured out, its time to go with the NES cable.

 

[MentalIlness]

RGB SCART cable for NA SNES

Not sure what to look for. Got a link for this ?

 

[ElFenix]

old consoles are why i'm holding onto my big panasonic tube. panablack, bitches.


for OP: the input 2 isn't composite video? sure looks that way on the diagram.

edit: blowing the diagram up and looking at the rest, is input 2 a minijack?

 

[MentalIlness]

old consoles are why i'm holding onto my big panasonic tube. panablack, bitches.


for OP: the input 2 isn't composite video? sure looks that way on the diagram.

edit: blowing the diagram up and looking at the rest, is input 2 a minijack?

Yes, input 2 is a mini jack.

Ordered this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0079X30JE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2BC0LW6HPSTVP

 

[stormdlp]

Need a RGB SCART cable and a RGB to component converter for best results.

Or just find a Sony PVM RGB CRT for $50 and it will be the best thing you've ever done for your SNES.

2nd this...

I had a Sony Trinitron CRT like 55" i forget, but was one of the biggest, weighed like 500lbs(counting base) I got free from my wife's Grandpa, but WOW the N64, SNES, and NES looked AMAZING through Component or S-Video.

 

[sao123]

buy one of these...

 

[sonambulo]

If you're looking to use classic hardware with a modern tv, you're going to need a framemeister (or XRGB 3) or some other kind of signal converter.

Pricey, but worth it IMO especially if you play retro games a lot.