Super Tuesday Results

[ultimatebob]

So... apparently I'm not the only one who thinks that the DNC strong-armed all those moderate endorsements to occur right before Super Tuesday. It makes you wonder what they were promised if they went along with the Party Plan, or what they were threatened with if they didn't.

Personally, I think that they were trying to cut down Bernie as quickly as possible, in an attempt to avoid a repeat of what happened in 2016.

The stock market liked it, anyway... private health insurance stocks were up 10% today, even though they probably should be falling due to potential of increased premium payouts from coronavirus. They knew that a vote for Biden gives them another 4+ years of not having to worry about Medicare For All eating into their fat profit margins.

 

[Bitek]

You're more concerned about a cock up than deliberate subversion of the democratic process?

Who says that?

It does make it hard to make the case the other party is deliberately sabotaging the vote when you can't even pull off your own vote tho.

Ok, TX wait times were 5hrs, but in CA they saw lines 3-4 hrs long, so are TX Republicans responsible for what, the entire 5hrs, or just the extra hour or two?

How much are we granting for typical govt incompetence vs nefarious machinations?

TX, you bastards, you screwed our voters on purpose! We just screwed them over because we're idiots! How dare you!

 

[Bitek]

So... apparently I'm not the only one who thinks that the DNC strong-armed all those moderate endorsements to occur right before Super Tuesday. It makes you wonder what they were promised if they went along with the Party Plan, or what they were threatened with if they didn't.

Personally, I think that they were trying to cut down Bernie as quickly as possible, in an attempt to avoid a repeat of what happened in 2016.

The stock market liked it, anyway... private health insurance stocks were up 10% today, even though they probably should be falling due to potential increased premium payouts from coronavirus. They knew that a vote for Biden gives them another 4+ years of not having to worry about Medicare For All eating into their fat profit margins.

Yes. Party loyalists worked strategically to ensure a Democrat wins the nomination for the Democratic party, instead of losing control to an interloper trying to hijack it for his own agenda.

This is what the gop failed to do with Trump.

Joe has been a Democrat since before God was born.

Bernie is an independent who self identifies as a socialist, and hasn't always played well with ppl in the party.

Joe had Obama's back, and when asked for help, the base, esp the black voters, payed that loyalty back.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Like: "We will raise taxes to pay for all the free stuff"?

i'd be perfectly happy to pay more taxes to get "free" healthcare. just like i pay taxes to get "free" roads, "free" fire department service, "free" police service, and so on.

taxes are the cost of civilization.

 

[sactoking]

On the one hand we have a bunch of also-ran candidates dropping out and endorsing the main stream candidate over the radical candidate.

On the other hand we have party elites conspiring with an incumbent to rig the primaries so that the incumbent cannot be meaningfully challenged in any fashion.

And WHICH one are people crying "Conspiracy!" over?

 

[Maxima1]

I've noticed a lot of left-leaning people do not prioritize majoritarian outcomes. This is obviously true on the right with the EC/Senate, but it's also true on the left, since so many are OK with the party having their thumb on the scale.

On the one hand we have a bunch of also-ran candidates dropping out and endorsing the main stream candidate over the radical candidate.

If they didn't think it could effect the outcome of the race, they wouldn't be doing it. Clyburn was more important than the "also-rans", but poo-pooing their effect on the race is disingenuous.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1235277423765344256

On the other hand we have party elites conspiring with an incumbent to rig the primaries so that the incumbent cannot be meaningfully challenged in any fashion.

And WHICH one are people crying "Conspiracy!" over?

Trump couldn't be beat in a primary challenge, and Democrats don't like to primary their incumbents either. Bernie at least has a chance even now.

Yes. Party loyalists worked strategically to ensure a Democrat wins the nomination for the Democratic party, instead of losing control to an interloper trying to hijack it for his own agenda.

His agenda has a lot in common with Warren's. Biden is part of the corrupt system. Even after all the Republican bullshit, he's the least likely to go for needed structural change.

This is what the gop failed to do with Trump.

But he's not like Trump.

Joe has been a Democrat since before God was born.

And he has a very crappy record.

 

[Jhhnn]

Strategy, not Rigging. The losing candidates always do this.

Bernie Bros are extremely vulnerable to conspiracy theory ideation. All the dropouts endorsed Biden so of course they want to maximize the effect. Duh.

Who says that?

It does make it hard to make the case the other party is deliberately sabotaging the vote when you can't even pull off your own vote tho.

Ok, TX wait times were 5hrs, but in CA they saw lines 3-4 hrs long, so are TX Republicans responsible for what, the entire 5hrs, or just the extra hour or two?

How much are we granting for typical govt incompetence vs nefarious machinations?

TX, you bastards, you screwed our voters on purpose! We just screwed them over because we're idiots! How dare you!

That's doubling down on the bullshit. Intent matters & that of the Texas GOP is obviously nefarious. That's not true of the LA situation at all.

 

[Maxima1]

Bernie Bros are extremely vulnerable to conspiracy theory ideation. All the dropouts endorsed Biden so of course they want to maximize the effect. Duh.

So what's the conspiracy ideation? The progressives complain about the endorsements because endorsements heavily favor the establishment side for obvious reasons. The same people who have no problem with endorsements tell us it's bad for certain states to go first or that the EC is fundementally unfair ironically dismissing that endorsements could effect a primary even more than EC does for the general, which probably tops out around 2% for most possibilities.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Tbh this whole thing looks fishy. Sanders getting the nod was a given a few days ago. Now all of a sudden everyone drops out and they endorse Biden and he wins all the states? Why are they trying to manipulate the process? I don't even like Sanders (policies) but Biden is hardly coherent these days. I mean he seriously has the blank eyed stare of a senile old man.

I am very concerned

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Like: "We will raise taxes to pay for all the free stuff"?

Okay us Democrats should follow the last two Republican Presidents lead and lower taxes plus expand spending dramatically.
You and your party should not talk finances and absolutely should not criticize someone’s finances.

 

[IronWing]

The party should pick their candidates. That isn't a flaw or a bad thing.

 

[sandorski]

The party should pick their candidates. That isn't a flaw or a bad thing.

I don't disagree, but since it is the "Democratic" Party, the Candidate should be chosen Democratically. There should be no Elite inside group, they can vote based on their Residence like everyone else. The Party management has technically "chosen" the Candidates when it allowed them to Run as a Candidate. Their job is to organize the Events around the selection process, not to tip the scales to particular candidates.

 

[Bitek]

..
His agenda has a lot in common with Warren's. Biden is part of the corrupt system. Even after all the Republican bullshit, he's the least likely to go for needed structural change.
..

So if the Bernie democratic socialists are looking for backing from the actual Democratic party, first thing they could do is stop treating them like the enemy.

Once they stop doing that, then they could actually ask for help.

Not even asking Clyburn for his endorsement guarantees you won't get it.

Telling Mike Bloomberg he's a bad guy who doesn't deserve his money, and he can take his billionaire funded campaign machine and shove it guarantees he will take it elsewhere (and maybe turn it on you.)

Stop punching every dude in the bar and whining when you get your ass kicked.

 

[Indus]

So if the Bernie democratic socialists are looking for backing from the actual Democratic party, first thing they could do is stop treating them like the enemy.

Once they stop doing that, then they could actually ask for help.

Not even asking Clyburn for his endorsement guarantees you won't get it.

Telling Mike Bloomberg he's a bad guy who doesn't deserve his money, and he can take his billionaire funded campaign machine and shove it guarantees he will take it elsewhere (and maybe turn it on you.)

Stop punching every dude in the bar and whining when you get your ass kicked.

Except Trump is gonna make Biden look senile and out of touch.

 

[Bitek]

Except Trump is gonna make Biden look senile and out of touch.

Who? Dis guy? K...

At some point you just have to win that fight.

If that was the biggest problem, Pete would be the front runner

 

[Indus]

Who? Dis guy? K...

At some point you just have to win that fight.

If that was the biggest problem, Pete would be the front runner

LOL what're you talking about.

In some people's minds.. Trump is Jesus Christ reborn.

We have board members who lick the ground he walks on as if it were sacramental bread and then you have memes like this everything on the internet.

In other words.. good luck convincing the low information voters who don't research and for who an image is worth a 1000 words. They will defend him and vote for him no matter what.

All the while the people who think reasonably have to wait 7+ hours to vote.

Also Biden seems very unconvincing to millennials like me.

What exactly is he offering that'll make our lives better?

Medicare for all? nope
Job Skills/ College Education/ Forgiveness of college debt? nope
Job guarantee? nope

I hope that changes but I don't see how it does when he listens to billionaires more than the voting public.

 

[dank69]

LOL what're you talking about.

In some people's minds.. Trump is Jesus Christ reborn.

We have board members who lick the ground he walks on as if it were sacramental bread and then you have memes like this everything on the internet.

In other words.. good luck convincing the low information voters who don't research and for who an image is worth a 1000 words. They will defend him and vote for him no matter what.

All the while the people who think reasonably have to wait 7+ hours to vote.

Also Biden seems very unconvincing to millennials like me.

What exactly is he offering that'll make our lives better?

Medicare for all? nope
Job Skills/ College Education/ Forgiveness of college debt? nope
Job guarantee? nope

I hope that changes but I don't see how it does when he listens to billionaires more than the voting public.

Hey sunshine, you ain't getting any of that unless you put Democrats in control across the board, so suck it up buttercup.

 

[ultimatebob]

What exactly is he offering that'll make our lives better?

Medicare for all? nope
Job Skills/ College Education/ Forgiveness of college debt? nope
Job guarantee? nope

I hope that changes but I don't see how it does when he listens to billionaires more than the voting public.

Let's be honest for a second... you weren't going to get Medicare For All anyway even if Sanders gets elected to the presidency. Big pharma and the insurance industry lobbyists own congress, and they'll continue to block any meaningful healthcare legislation passed that would cut into their profits. Hell... they even successfully manipulated Obamacare to improve their bottom line, by making everyone need health insurance and outlawing things like lifetime coverage limits that allowed for cheaper plans.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Trump will lose Virginia and lose it badly. That state is simply gone for Republicans.

Not for the right reasons. If the swamp had an address, it would be the affluent suburbs of northern Virginia. They reject Trump because he’s brought chaos to the system they depend on to fund their soy latte lifestyles.

When I think blue Virginia, the unethical well educated consultant class comes to mind.

That they rallied so assertively for Biden tells me its Sanders they truly fear.

 

[fskimospy]

Not for the right reasons. If the swamp had an address, it would be the affluent suburbs of northern Virginia. They reject Trump because he’s brought chaos to the system they depend on to fund their soy latte lifestyles.

When I think blue Virginia, the unethical well educated consultant class comes to mind.

That they rallied so assertively for Biden tells me its Sanders they truly fear.

Taken right from the Republican playbook. People who don’t vote the way you want aren’t real Virginians or real Americans. Those voters count as much as anyone else and their wants are as ‘right’ as anyone else.

It’s gross how elitist you are to decide that huge groups of voters don’t count or aren’t the ‘right’ way to win.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Taken right from the Republican playbook. People who don’t vote the way you want aren’t real Virginians or real Americans. Those voters count as much as anyone else and their wants are as ‘right’ as anyone else.

It’s gross how elitist you are to decide that huge groups of voters don’t count or aren’t the ‘right’ way to win.

He's also saying this about the very same group of people likely benefiting from the only major piece of legislation the GOP pushed thru while controlling congress and POTUS. Weird how they still don't vote for trump.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Taken right from the Republican playbook. People who don’t vote the way you want aren’t real Virginians or real Americans. Those voters count as much as anyone else and their wants are as ‘right’ as anyone else.

It’s gross how elitist you are to decide that huge groups of voters don’t count or aren’t the ‘right’ way to win.

They have every right to defend their swamp.

 

[fskimospy]

They have every right to defend their swamp.

Apparently they don’t, as winning with their votes isn’t the ‘right’ way.

 

[fskimospy]

He's also saying this about the very same group of people likely benefiting from the only major piece of legislation the GOP pushed thru while controlling congress and POTUS. Weird how they still don't vote for trump.

Imagine how many pearls he would clutch if someone here said winning with rural voters wasn’t winning the ‘right way’.

The ‘this elitism is how you get Trump’ letters on his keyboard would be worn down into nubs.

 

[dank69]

They have every right to defend their swamp.

If they wanted a swamp they would vote Republican. Even Biden supports getting money out of politics.